Micheal Moore: Oscar Rant

[Next of Kin]

The producers of the Oscars had made it clear that they didn't want it to turn into an anti-war rally, which is exactly what Moore tried to make it into with his speech. His rant had nothing to do with his winning an award.

Alex, he made a little speech, and in the grand scheme of things what does Michael Moore account for--he's not an elected offical and alot of people take him with a grain of salt?
If he had made a pro-war speech would you still accuse him of going off topic and soap-boxing?

[Alex Moon]

The producers of the Oscars had made it clear that they didn't want it to turn into an anti-war rally, which is exactly what Moore tried to make it into with his speech. His rant had nothing to do with his winning an award.

Alex, he made a little speech, and in the grand scheme of things what does Michael Moore account for--he's not an elected offical and alot of people take him with a grain of salt?
If he had made a pro-war speech would you still accuse him of going off topic and soap-boxing?

Yup. If the producers didn't want political speeches, then he should respect their wishes and tone down his comments. If he can't do that then he shouldn't attend.

[Master of Ossus]

The producers of the Oscars had made it clear that they didn't want it to turn into an anti-war rally, which is exactly what Moore tried to make it into with his speech. His rant had nothing to do with his winning an award.

Alex, he made a little speech, and in the grand scheme of things what does Michael Moore account for--he's not an elected offical and alot of people take him with a grain of salt?
If he had made a pro-war speech would you still accuse him of going off topic and soap-boxing?

I'm actually more upset that he's passing off his film as a documentary, since he has stated elsewhere in an effort to avoid criticism that the film was, in fact, a comedy. I think it would be funny if someone made a documentary film about how many times he's changed his stance as to what "Bowling for Columbine" actually is, and to show how many inaccuracies there were in the film itself.

[Joe]

I'm actually more upset that he's passing off his film as a documentary, since he has stated elsewhere in an effort to avoid criticism that the film was, in fact, a comedy. I think it would be funny if someone made a documentary film about how many times he's changed his stance as to what "Bowling for Columbine" actually is, and to show how many inaccuracies there were in the film itself.

That's what he does; he presents his stuff with the infered notion that you ought to take it with a grain of salt, and then when someone points out an inaccuracy he falls back on the comedy defense. Pig.

[Montcalm]

I'm actually more upset that he's passing off his film as a documentary, since he has stated elsewhere in an effort to avoid criticism that the film was, in fact, a comedy. I think it would be funny if someone made a documentary film about how many times he's changed his stance as to what "Bowling for Columbine" actually is, and to show how many inaccuracies there were in the film itself.

That's what he does; he presents his stuff with the infered notion that you ought to take it with a grain of salt, and then when someone points out an inaccuracy he falls back on the comedy defense. Pig.

OK if it a comedy why did it get best documentary trophy

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Okay, I found it in MP3 form on Kazaa.

Can I borrow someone's Pig-Roast Luau Kit? I've suddenly developed this burning urge to find out what Michael Moore Roast smells* like.

*Note: I didn't say "Tastes" because even if I _did_ have cannibalistic leanings, I wouldn't dignify that fat useless Communist fuckhead pig with actual consumption...

[RedImperator]

Alan Colmes just ripped Moore (and the radical protesters) a new asshole on Fox News. Colmes (a liberal) said, "These guys are making my side look bad." For a leftie, Colmes is a pretty good guy. I'll post a transcript when it goes up.

[theski]

Speaking of Colmes, could he look more like a elitist liberal..

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

The producers of the Oscars had made it clear that they didn't want it to turn into an anti-war rally, which is exactly what Moore tried to make it into with his speech. His rant had nothing to do with his winning an award.

Alex, he made a little speech, and in the grand scheme of things what does Michael Moore account for--he's not an elected offical and alot of people take him with a grain of salt?
If he had made a pro-war speech would you still accuse him of going off topic and soap-boxing?

I certainly would. It would still be inappropriate. I don't expect my senator to take the floor and start running his mouth about Beverly Hills, 90210, either. I never elected that talentless fat-ass piece of shit to speak for me, or to air his candy-ass agenda on national television. He's an entertainer (I assume) and what he did was not fucking entertaining.

[Stravo]

Alan Colmes just ripped Moore (and the radical protesters) a new asshole on Fox News. Colmes (a liberal) said, "These guys are making my side look bad." For a leftie, Colmes is a pretty good guy. I'll post a transcript when it goes up.

I saw that last night and he was very credible. There are times when he has been infuriating in his viewpoints but at least he's honest and does not back down from them. He was very clear that he supports the troops and does not support the nonsense that alot of the fringe in the peace movement are reveling in. Sean has also pissed me off a few times, most recently when he asserted that drug addicts "wanted" to be addicted to drugs and they could just go cold trukey if they really wanted to. It was one of the few times I screamed at the TV over something a talking head said because it was so patently ridiculous as someone who has lost some friends to drug addiction. No one "wants" to be addicted to drugs.

[Nathan F]

Okay, I found it in MP3 form on Kazaa.

Can I borrow someone's Pig-Roast Luau Kit? I've suddenly developed this burning urge to find out what Michael Moore Roast smells* like.

*Note: I didn't say "Tastes" because even if I _did_ have cannibalistic leanings, I wouldn't dignify that fat useless Communist fuckhead pig with actual consumption...

ROFLMAO!!!!

[Nathan F]

Alan Colmes just ripped Moore (and the radical protesters) a new asshole on Fox News. Colmes (a liberal) said, "These guys are making my side look bad." For a leftie, Colmes is a pretty good guy. I'll post a transcript when it goes up.

HEHEHE, bad when you get ripped from someone that is on the same side of the fence as you are...

[Next of Kin]

I never elected that talentless fat-ass piece of shit to speak for me, or to air his candy-ass agenda on national television. He's an entertainer (I assume) and what he did was not fucking entertaining.

Does he have to be elected to air his own personal comments on television?

[theski]

Does he have to be elected to air his own personal comments on television?

No but he should actually have to answer a question or 2 if put your self out there as a spokesmen of the Fat anti-american group

[Next of Kin]

theski, I thought Moore answered some questions backstage.

[theski]

I think it was just the same ranting.. No detail or reason I think and I could be wrong..

[Master of Ossus]

I'm actually more upset that he's passing off his film as a documentary, since he has stated elsewhere in an effort to avoid criticism that the film was, in fact, a comedy. I think it would be funny if someone made a documentary film about how many times he's changed his stance as to what "Bowling for Columbine" actually is, and to show how many inaccuracies there were in the film itself.

That's what he does; he presents his stuff with the infered notion that you ought to take it with a grain of salt, and then when someone points out an inaccuracy he falls back on the comedy defense. Pig.

OK if it a comedy why did it get best documentary trophy

Simple answer: because it was intended to be a documentary, and the Academy did not check on its accuracy before voting.

Long answer: The movie is a comedy presented as a documentary. Moore has flip-flopped numerous times as to the classification of the film. When he's speaking of it normally (as he did, on the Oscar's), he calls it a documentary. When people hold it to the standards of a normal documentary (and invariably find it lacking), he declares it a comedy and claims that this absolves him of responsibility for the film's inaccuracies and distortions.

I think that the film should be called "Bowling for Oscar's," and point out the blatant self-contradictions that Moore has made in classifying the movie.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Wasn't BFC made like more then a year ago? I thought it was kind of odd that the film was even nominated this year at all...

I've seen it, and I'm really iffy on it. It only kind of pissed me off overall, and it just seemed like there was so much junk in it.

Very Average film in terms of quality in my opinion.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

I never elected that talentless fat-ass piece of shit to speak for me, or to air his candy-ass agenda on national television. He's an entertainer (I assume) and what he did was not fucking entertaining.

Does he have to be elected to air his own personal comments on television?

When he is purporting to speak for everyone else, fuck yes. And correct me if I'm wrong, but do these guys collect money to get up behind that podium? I honestly don't know if they do or not, but if so, that's even worse. That would mean he got paid to claim to represent public opinion.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

That's what he does; he presents his stuff with the infered notion that you ought to take it with a grain of salt, and then when someone points out an inaccuracy he falls back on the comedy defense. Pig.

OK if it a comedy why did it get best documentary trophy

Simple answer: because it was intended to be a documentary, and the Academy did not check on its accuracy before voting.

Long answer: The movie is a comedy presented as a documentary. Moore has flip-flopped numerous times as to the classification of the film. When he's speaking of it normally (as he did, on the Oscar's), he calls it a documentary. When people hold it to the standards of a normal documentary (and invariably find it lacking), he declares it a comedy and claims that this absolves him of responsibility for the film's inaccuracies and distortions.

I think that the film should be called "Bowling for Oscar's," and point out the blatant self-contradictions that Moore has made in classifying the movie.

In short, it sounds like he's a fucking liar trying to cover the fact that he was pushing shit by resorting to the old Pee-Wee-ism, "I meant to do that -- heheh!!!"

[Darth Wong]

Does he have to be elected to air his own personal comments on television?

When he is purporting to speak for everyone else, fuck yes.

I did not see anything in the text of his comments to indicate that he claimed to be speaking for anyone but himself. If people can use awards as an opportunity to peddle their religious beliefs, I don't see why they can't use them as an opportunity to peddle their other personal beliefs. If you don't like it, don't watch the fucking Oscars. They exist solely as a celebration of Hollywood self-indulgence, for fuck's sake!

[aerius]

Just found this one on another message board.

[Master of Ossus]

In short, it sounds like he's a fucking liar trying to cover the fact that he was pushing shit by resorting to the old Pee-Wee-ism, "I meant to do that -- heheh!!!"

Basically, yeah. He's just trying to cover his own ass when caught.

[Master of Ossus]

Does he have to be elected to air his own personal comments on television?

When he is purporting to speak for everyone else, fuck yes.

I did not see anything in the text of his comments to indicate that he claimed to be speaking for anyone but himself. If people can use awards as an opportunity to peddle their religious beliefs, I don't see why they can't use them as an opportunity to peddle their other personal beliefs. If you don't like it, don't watch the fucking Oscars. They exist solely as a celebration of Hollywood self-indulgence, for fuck's sake!

I disagree. I think that the "we" in his speech could only have been an attempt to invoke the weight of the American public, in general, and was an attempt to speak for a portion of the American populace.

Having said that, I don't believe that he should have to be elected to say something like that. Although I disagree that he should have been awarded an Oscar in that particular category, I also support his right to express his opinions.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Okay, I'll agree that he has a right to make an utter ass of himself. That still doesn't make it appropriate. And to address your objection, Darth Wong, I've already stated that I don't appreciate preaching of any other kind from behind an awards podium -- that's not why the fucker was invited to go up there! I don't care if it's anti-war, pro-war, the Sermon on the Mount or a plea for amnesty for lesbian nazi suicide-bomber squirrels, national television is not a fucking pulpit! But you're right -- that doesn't mean that these overpaid fucknuts won't try to use it as one every chance they get.