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Wyoming House advances doomsday bill

CHEYENNE — State representatives on Friday advanced legislation to launch a study into what Wyoming should do in the event of a complete economic or political collapse in the United States.
House Bill 85 passed on first reading by a voice vote. It would create a state-run government continuity task force, which would study and prepare Wyoming for potential catastrophes, from disruptions in food and energy supplies to a complete meltdown of the federal government.
The task force would look at the feasibility of
Wyoming issuing its own alternative currency, if needed. And House members approved an amendment Friday by state Rep. Kermit Brown, R-Laramie, to have the task force also examine conditions under which Wyoming would need to implement its own military draft, raise a standing army, and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier.
The bill’s sponsor, state Rep. David Miller, R-Riverton, has said he doesn’t anticipate any major crises hitting America anytime soon. But with the national debt exceeding $15 trillion and protest movements growing around the country, Miller said Wyoming — which has a comparatively good economy and sound state finances — needs to make sure it’s protected should any unexpected emergency hit the U.S.
Several House members spoke in favor of the legislation, saying there was no harm in preparing for the worst.
“I don’t think there’s anyone in this room today what would come up here and say that this country is in good shape, that the world is stable and in good shape — because that is clearly not the case,” state Rep. Lorraine Quarberg, R-Thermopolis, said. “To put your head in the sand and think that nothing bad’s going to happen, and that we have no obligation to the citizens of the state of Wyoming to at least have the discussion, is not healthy.”
Wyoming’s Department of Homeland Security already has a statewide crisis management plan, but it doesn’t cover what the state should do in the event of an extreme nationwide political or economic collapse. In recent years, lawmakers in at least six states have introduced legislation to create a state currency, all unsuccessfully.
The task force would include state lawmakers, the director of the Wyoming Department of Homeland Security, the Wyoming attorney general and the Wyoming National Guard’s adjutant general, among others.
The bill must pass two more House votes before it would head to the Senate for consideration. The original bill appropriated $32,000 for the task force, though the Joint Appropriations Committee slashed that number in half earlier this week.
University of Wyoming political science professor Jim King said the potential for a complete unraveling of the U.S. government and economy is “astronomically remote” in the foreseeable future.
But King noted that the federal government set up a Continuity of Government Commission in 2002, of which former U.S. Sen. Al Simpson, R-Wyo., was co-chairman. However, King said he didn’t know of any states that had established a similar board.


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Other articles claim the requirement for a military and aircraft carrier study has now been removed from the bill, but key questions remain including would this aircraft carrier be powered by of wood and built of concrete, and could the pilots train for operating from ski jumps on Wyoming many actual ski jumps? Would it control the states rivers, or be based at a treaty port obtained from the Peoples Republic of Washington? So much is unanswered if they don't study it!
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wait Whyoming is like totally land locked... fuckin onion articles, or neocons getting ideas from the onion....
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Well, I suppose one can never have too many contingency plans.
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wwelll, they never said it had to be a naval aircraft carrier...

nuclear powered hovercraft time again shep?
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I guess there after one of these.

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Strike aircraft?

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It would be interesting to see what actual plans countries have in the bottom drawers for dealing with nuclear war and such total disasters. I remember one supposedly real plan concerning nuclear warfare that made my blood cold.
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Same Source as Before wrote:Wyoming House rejects doomsday bill

CHEYENNE—The Wyoming House of Representatives on Tuesday narrowly voted down legislation to launch a study into what the state should do in the event of a complete economic or political collapse in the United States.

House Bill 85, which has received national media attention in recent days, was rejected 30-27 in a final House vote.

The bill would have created a state-run government continuity task force, which would study and prepare Wyoming for potential catastrophes, from disruptions in food and energy supplies to a complete meltdown of the federal government.

The task force also would have looked at the feasibility of Wyoming issuing its own alternative currency, if needed.

The bill’s sponsor, state Rep. David Miller, R-Riverton, previously said he didn’t anticipate any major crises hitting America anytime soon. But with the national debt exceeding $15 trillion and protest movements growing around the country, Miller said Wyoming — which has a comparatively good economy and sound state finances — needs to make sure it’s protected should any unexpected emergency hit the U.S.
The 30-27 vote fills me with such confidence.
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Deathstalker wrote:Strike aircraft?

"We need to be able to hit Boise, Denver or Omaha before they can hit us!"
The survivalists assume that, in the event of a Federal Government meltdown, the former US will suffer a Canadian, Mexican, and/or the UN Peacekeeping Forces' invasion.

That said, modern strike aircraft are EXTREMELY expensive to acquire and operate, as the F-35 demonstrates- in which case, Wyoming will have to do what Nazi Germany did in 1940, to save their economy from collapse- unless Wyoming decides the aircraft are expendable, and do away with pricy options like electronic warfare systems, stealth capabilities, all-weather combat capabilities, etc.
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They could probably actually afford several squadrons of Israeli remanufactured and upgraded Mig-21-2000s, as scary as that may be, and legally states can have State Guards which supplement their National Guard and are not under federal authority; I'm quite certain they could also buy several battalions of M48s off the Turks where they're being phased out presently, or even older models of M60s, which collectively would give Wyoming a greater military capability than the majority of nations in sub-Saharan Africa (in fact, I think all of them except for South Africa). This would be both legal under the US constitution and federal law, and affordable, but neither of those things make them less absurd, and the carrier is still a WTF moment.
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Does anyone know if the recognized Native American tribes could purchase equipment under the Foreign Military Sales programs?
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TimothyC wrote:Does anyone know if the recognized Native American tribes could purchase equipment under the Foreign Military Sales programs?
While that would be hilarious, I doubt they have the budget for it even if they can.
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Rogue 9 wrote:
TimothyC wrote:Does anyone know if the recognized Native American tribes could purchase equipment under the Foreign Military Sales programs?
While that would be hilarious, I doubt they have the budget for it even if they can.
Fighting hardware would be hilarious, and totally out of the budget range, but what about things like trucks and disaster gear?
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Indian tribes are subject to the same military and foreign relations limitations as US states; so independent military forces other then warships would be allowed unless one of the many treaties specifically disallows its, which it might. States can't have warships. Course that goes out of the window of the nation collapses, and perhaps Wyoming intended to stockpile the material to assemble one on the shores of Yellowstone Lake, without actually building it.

FMS is non applicable given that Indian tribes are still part of the US, and given that we don't even apply FMS control to certain foreign allies it wouldn't make sense anyway. They'd just have to line up for US military surplus or negotiate directly with the manufacturers. The point of Foreign Military Sales is to insulate contractors from foreign governments so that whatever extra controls and political deals uncle sam wants can be thrown into the package.
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Sidewinder wrote:
Deathstalker wrote:Strike aircraft?

"We need to be able to hit Boise, Denver or Omaha before they can hit us!"
The survivalists assume that, in the event of a Federal Government meltdown, the former US will suffer a Canadian, Mexican, and/or the UN Peacekeeping Forces' invasion.

That said, modern strike aircraft are EXTREMELY expensive to acquire and operate, as the F-35 demonstrates- in which case, Wyoming will have to do what Nazi Germany did in 1940, to save their economy from collapse- unless Wyoming decides the aircraft are expendable, and do away with pricy options like electronic warfare systems, stealth capabilities, all-weather combat capabilities, etc.
Haha!

If the US economy implodes and the country dissolves, Canada will be in pretty bad shape as well, we're each others largest trading partner. Even if we're in a position to deploy, three brigades aren't going to accomplish anything. These guys need to pick up a book, or failing that, look up our forces on wiki.
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Aaron MkII wrote:If the US economy implodes and the country dissolves, Canada will be in pretty bad shape as well, we're each others largest trading partner. Even if we're in a position to deploy, three brigades aren't going to accomplish anything. These guys need to pick up a book, or failing that, look up our forces on wiki.
Considering the rabid paranoia the American right suffers from, they'd probably assume all statements on how TINY the Canadian military is- in comparison to the US, of course- are disinformation, intended to deceive. Or they assume Canada will serve as a staging point for the Russian/Chinese/whatever invasion force. (Why? Insert survivalist bullshit about Communist conspiracies taking over Canada, not to mention the rest of the world, leaving the US the sole bastion for capitalism/democracy/whatever.)
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Rogue 9 wrote:
TimothyC wrote:Does anyone know if the recognized Native American tribes could purchase equipment under the Foreign Military Sales programs?
While that would be hilarious, I doubt they have the budget for it even if they can.
ok we need to get everyone into the casinos, just so that the Dineh can get back should the US collapse....
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Boy looks like TEXAS is getting a head start on the naval arms race, they've commissioned a class of 'Highway Patrol' owned speed boats with six M240 machine guns apiece to deal with MEXICAN RIVER PIRATES. I'm not joking, that is the reason. Pictures and story at the link

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/140427813.html
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Boy looks like TEXAS is getting a head start on the naval arms race, they've commissioned a class of 'Highway Patrol' owned speed boats with six M240 machine guns apiece to deal with MEXICAN RIVER PIRATES. I'm not joking, that is the reason. Pictures and story at the link

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/140427813.html

That actually doesn't sound that crazy. Texas does share a long river border with Mexico, and Mexico does have a problem with heavily armed drug cartels running amok, so an armed river patrol makes a certain amount of sense.


EDIT: I mean, its not like Wyoming trying to buy a ship it couldn't operate even it could afford it.
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PhilosopherOfSorts wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Boy looks like TEXAS is getting a head start on the naval arms race, they've commissioned a class of 'Highway Patrol' owned speed boats with six M240 machine guns apiece to deal with MEXICAN RIVER PIRATES. I'm not joking, that is the reason. Pictures and story at the link

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/140427813.html

That actually doesn't sound that crazy. Texas does share a long river border with Mexico, and Mexico does have a problem with heavily armed drug cartels running amok, so an armed river patrol makes a certain amount of sense.


EDIT: I mean, its not like Wyoming trying to buy a ship it couldn't operate even it could afford it.
I will admit it. It really does make a LOT of sense of TX to have a small brown-water navy along the Rio Grande. Brownsville TX is particularly bad. The university there is literally adjacent to the border. As in University|Fence|Mexico . The walls of the campus buildings have bullet holes in them.

The shit with the drug cartels is not going to end until there are literal heads mounted on pikes from the gulf coast to Baja... and even then...
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I'm more amused with the scale of armament, and odd armor armor placement, then the case for necessity which seems fair enough. I'm sure they hope by shear firepower will deter ever having to use it; but if they do boy is that going to raise a stink. Similar sized USCG craft for comparison have two or three weapons.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:I'm more amused with the scale of armament, and odd armor armor placement, then the case for necessity which seems fair enough. I'm sure they hope by shear firepower will deter ever having to use it; but if they do boy is that going to raise a stink. Similar sized USCG craft for comparison have two or three weapons.
As I recall, the drug cartels have employed the services of mexican ex military, and have no qualms about duking it out with mexican law enforcement and even small military units. As I said... it is bad down there.
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They have lots of people and small arms, some scattered cases of anti tank weapons even, in the cartels sure. Course, on the other hand we deployed some of those small coast guard boats in Operation Iraqi Freedom and a few probably continue to face off against Iran. I suspect its more a case of, you mean we get to buy... and thus by extension fire with someone else paying for the ammo, medium machine guns? Ask for as many as possible!
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Sea Skimmer wrote:I'm more amused with the scale of armament, and odd armor armor placement, then the case for necessity which seems fair enough. I'm sure they hope by shear firepower will deter ever having to use it; but if they do boy is that going to raise a stink. Similar sized USCG craft for comparison have two or three weapons.
Its Texas, they always go big, if they haven't gone too far, they haven't gone far enough :)
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I have to imagine the long view was to deploy this carrier on Lake Yellowstone and eventually a second to secure Jackson Lake in order to protect both from Teddy Roosevelt's ghost.
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