Quotes from Ron Paul's newsletter.

[bobalot]

Some guy has a twitter account and he is putting up quotes everyday. There is also a website with the scans. Here are some of them below.

BLACK HELICOPTERS? Are foreign troops being stationed on American soil?

Was the incredible chain of events at Three Mile Island accidental, or could it have been deliberate?

Could [federal scientists] have produced AIDS?

Dr. Douglass believes that AIDS is a deliberately engineered hybrid of these 2 animal viruses cultured in human tissue...

The opinions of the medical elite are a threat to our entire civilization.

And popping out of the cake, with a big SURPRISE!, will be an IRS agent with an AK-47.

Is any white child taught to hate this way? I've never heard of it.

...to steal & loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against "The Man." And "The Woman."

As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to "fight the power,"..

Middle-class blacks & black political activists hold opinions not markedly different from the Crips and the Bloods.

"Waco, the Big Lie" videotapes are available for $24.95, including shipping. Phone 800-RON-PAUL

Evidence indicated the [Anti-Defamation League] monitored such groups as the Davidians at Waco, and may have helped instigate the attack.

Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities.

Washington, with its racist gov't, racist radio, racist ministers, racist universities, and racist attitudes, is the black New Jerusalem.

If you have to use a gun on a youth, you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible.

I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.

I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in [DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet of foot they can be.

At least 39 white women have been stuck with used hypodermic needles -perhaps infected with AIDS- by gangs of black girls.

A fine man I know had more than a million dollars stolen from him by Mexican bankers.

Jimmy Carter's membership in the Trilateral Commission is hardly a coincidence.

The ACT-UP slogan is "Silence = Death." But shouldn't it be "SODOMY = Death"?

9. Do not allow the [AIDS] patient to drive or operate machinery due to mental impairment.

5. Always wipe the toilet seat with a soapy paper towel. Do not put the towel in the toilet, but in a paper bag to be burned.

The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one).

Every home should be dedicated to Western standards of religion, music, values, dress, and manners.

I marvel at their insanity.

[Jim Raynor]

Jesus Christ.

Ron Paul has been publically distancing himself from his old newsletter recently, although that is to be expected if only for practical reasons. Has anyone determined how closely Paul was actually involved with this craziness being published under his name?

[Panzersharkcat]

I'm fairly certain it was Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard, close friends of Paul's, who wrote them. It fits their writing style better than it does Paul's. I'm fairly certain he knows they wrote it but is continuing to fall on his sword for his old friends and Lew doesn't have the guts to come clean about it. The explanation for that whole boondoggle was it was written back when they were trying to attract (or pander to) the paleocon types like Pat Buchanan and kept trying after it was failing, which later blew up in their faces, screwing a lot of libertarians in the process. Bleeding Heart Libertarians has an article documenting that.

[bobalot]

I'm fairly certain it was Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard, close friends of Paul's, who wrote them. It fits their writing style better than it does Paul's. I'm fairly certain he knows they wrote it but is continuing to fall on his sword for his old friends and Lew doesn't have the guts to come clean about it. The explanation for that whole boondoggle was it was written back when they were trying to attract (or pander to) the paleocon types like Pat Buchanan and kept trying after it was failing, which later blew up in their faces, screwing a lot of libertarians in the process. Bleeding Heart Libertarians has an article documenting that.

Of course, just because he has his name was on them, has many "I" statements in the newsletters and claimed authorship at the time, why would anybody jump to the conclusion that he wrote or endorsed them at the time?

The newsletter circulated for years and he made a significant amount of money annually from it, but he claims years later that he never actually read them.

What a load of bullshit.

[Panzersharkcat]

Ghostwriting, like I said, back when they were trying to pander to the crazies of the far right, which was a really dumb move, hence my whole statement about it blowing up in their faces.

[Simon_Jester]

Put it this way.

What reflects poorly on him is that he behaves pretty much exactly as if he'd written them himself and stands by them but is too smart to say so openly.

Either he's still a closet racist-paranoid-fuck of the "black helicopter government made AIDS raaaargh!" sort, or he's too out of touch with the American people and the practical realities of his campaign to know that he risks coming across that way.

Neither of those possibilities is encouraging.

[Panzersharkcat]

I take a third option: he keeps falling on his sword for his old friends even if he is aware of the damage it is causing him and his campaign.

[bobalot]

I take a third option: he keeps falling on his sword for his old friends even if he is aware of the damage it is causing him and his campaign.

You make it sound like he is doing something fucking noble. He must have known what they were writing in his name back then, and he didn't do anything about it until it was politically damaging 20 years later. As I pointed out (but you conveniently missed) he was quite happy to take credit for it at the time. On top of that he was quite happy to cash the check.

Ron Paul and his deluded supporters actually expect us to believe that Ron Paul didn't actually read what his alleged "ghost writer" wrote in his name? That he didn't read his own fucking newsletter? How fucking stupid do they think everybody else is?

Either he wrote it or someone else wrote it and Ron Paul had no problem with it. Both of which make him a race baiting fuckwit.

[Panzersharkcat]

Did I ever deny that he knew? No. That whole bit was part of the paleocon strategy. Was it a dumb strategy? Yes. As for the money, as far as I'm concerned, it may as well be him that the money goes to. Not the best stance (extreme understatement), but it's too late to do jack about it.

[Darth Wong]

Oh for fuck's sake, stop making excuses. If he found these people and their statements so repugnant, then why the fuck were they his friends, and why would he "fall on his sword" for these friends?

If it was a cynical strategy to gather support from people he (and they) actually found utterly despicable, then he should come out and say that himself (but of course, he won't, because he still wants the white racist nutjob vote). Telling people that he published a newsletter for ten years without bothering to ever read it is utter bullshit. It's either a lie (which everyone knows) or he was actually so carefree with his reputation that he let people say whatever they wanted in his name for ten years without even checking on them once, which would imply that he's one of the stupidest fucking men who ever walked the planet. Either way, this guy should not hold a position of power.

[Panzersharkcat]

Yes, I agree that he should and not bother with the racist nutjob vote. But some reason known only to him, he refuses to.

[Darth Wong]

Yes, I agree that he should and not bother with the racist nutjob vote. But some reason known only to him, he refuses to.

I think you're missing the point here. He obviously doesn't find them repugnant enough to reject them. That says a lot about him.

[Panzersharkcat]

*sigh* I suppose you're right. And that makes me sad.

[Alphawolf55]

What worse to me isn't that these news letters exist but that there's a million other things worse about him.

[bobalot]

When he was on a religious radio station, he was pandering to his audience and actually claimed that...

He actually saw evil abortion doctors yank a fully developed and functional baby out of a woman and throw it away to die. When pressed for more details by the religious host, he couldn't actually provide any.

I'm dead serious. Maybe someone "ghost spoke" that crazy load of bullshit for him.

[Alphawolf55]

When he was on a religious radio station, he was pandering to his audience and actually claimed that...

He actually saw evil abortion doctors yank a fully developed and functional baby out of a woman and throw it away to die. When pressed for more details by the religious host, he couldn't actually provide any.

I'm dead serious. Maybe someone "ghost spoke" that crazy load of bullshit for him.

But Dr. Paul has delivered over 100,000 babies including the babies of mix race couples so he know he's talking about.

Also have I mentioned he's a doctor so he's very intelligent in other fields like foreign policy, constitutional law, economy, monetary policy and union right laws.

[Lonestar]

*sigh* I suppose you're right. And that makes me sad.

Really? This makes you "sad"?

In the US Navy the shipboard organization goes "workcenter-division-department-ship". "Workcenter Supervisor" is the title granted to the person ultimately responsible for maintnence that the workcenter has to do, usually in related to the systems they use but also damage control related equpiment that is in their spaces. Most of the time the workcenter supervisor is the person who does the actual work but he often delegates the DC-related stuff to personnel that didn't go to the tech school for the workcenter-exclusive system.

In fact, what usually happens is that if there is a workcenter with 12 operators and one tech, the maintainer is the workcenter supervisor even if he's only a E4.

So, when the sailor who has to work on the DC equipment does his scheduled maintnence, he comes to the workcenter supe who signs off that it was done. If the workcenter supervisor signs off on something and it wasn't done, NO amount of "well I didn't actually do it, Petty Officer___ was suppose to check that valve" will get the Workcenter Supe out of trouble.

And, what does this guy who wants to be President do? "WHELP I DIDN'T ACTUALLY WRITE ALL THAT I JUST SIGNED IT AND HAD MY NAME AT THE TOP."

Holy Fuck.

[Flagg]

Oh for fuck's sake, stop making excuses. If he found these people and their statements so repugnant, then why the fuck were they his friends, and why would he "fall on his sword" for these friends?

If it was a cynical strategy to gather support from people he (and they) actually found utterly despicable, then he should come out and say that himself (but of course, he won't, because he still wants the white racist nutjob vote). Telling people that he published a newsletter for ten years without bothering to ever read it is utter bullshit. It's either a lie (which everyone knows) or he was actually so carefree with his reputation that he let people say whatever they wanted in his name for ten years without even checking on them once, which would imply that he's one of the stupidest fucking men who ever walked the planet. Either way, this guy should not hold a position of power.

I honestly do not understand the "He published and made money off the newsletter but had no idea what was in it so is not responsible for it" line of reasoning. If I let someone use my SDN account to post racist shit and claimed "I had no idea" I'd be laughed right off the board and banned, and rightly so.

[bobalot]

I review and sign off engineering technical documentation as a part of my current role. If something went wrong, the excuse "I DIDN'T WRITE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION, I JUST SIGNED MY NAME ON IT, LOL" would simply not be acceptable.

I can't imagine the reaction if I tried to use that excuse for 10-15 years worth of documentation.

It's incomprehensible to me that a supposed presidential candidate thinks this excuse is acceptable.

[Alphawolf55]

Though I gotta admit, I find the Newsletters to be low hanging fruit, since there's even stupider stuff he says now that he actually plans to do once President.

I mean the man really thinks he can cut 1 trillion dollars in Government spending in 1 year and still get US GDP to 20 trillion dollars by 2016.

[LaCroix]

Though I gotta admit, I find the Newsletters to be low hanging fruit, since there's even stupider stuff he says now that he actually plans to do once President.

In my opinion, these newsletters are the most damning thing about him. His crazy ideas only show that he is uninformed about how things happen, but he could be educated, blocked, or simply run into the impossibility.

But these newsletters and his behaviour tell you all about his character.
And it lacks the qualities you would want for a political leader. Most of all, he is someone who is blatantly lying to you with a smile, and is known to not have any qualms to take money from amoral sources. (Lying to people in order to get their donations - you could call that fraud)

Is that the man who's promises about what he's going to do once he's the most powerful man on earth you want to trust in?

[UnderAGreySky]

I agree with LaCroix. There are three things that could have happened:

- He wrote them
- He did not write them but knew what was happening
- He did not write them and did not know what was in them

Any of those reasons disqualifies him from being a good leader.

And in a couple of places, I've not seen a reply from the Paultards (I consider the term to be distinct from Lolbertarians, though members of the two form overlapping sets) defending this crap to the following question: If there existed and "Barack Obama Jr. Newsletter" that advocated white men be avoided on the street, that claimed AIDS was a white man's conspiracy to 'keep down the black man' and other such things, how would you react?

[Panzersharkcat]

Ask for the circumstances behind it. Most others would flip, though. I probably would, too, to be perfectly honest. Cognitive bias in favor of somebody I like, if that's the right term. Then again, I haven't entirely been defending it. I said he should own up to it, it's stupid to not, and it was a stupid strategy to pursue in the first place.

[MKSheppard]

So you would vote a Neo Nazi in, as long as his "policy" lined up with yours. Gotcha.

[Alphawolf55]

I wouldn't care, since I vote based on policy platforms, not whether I personally like the guy or not.

I do too, which is why I view Ron Paul has a horrible candidate.