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Seven ways Rick Perry wants to change the Constitution

Seven ways Rick Perry wants to change the Constitution
By Chris Moody | The Ticket – Fri, Aug 19, 2011

Rick Perry has many ideas about how to change the American government's founding document. From ending lifetime tenure for federal judges to completely scrapping two whole amendments, the Constitution would see a major overhaul if the Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate had his druthers.

Perry laid out these proposed innovations to the founding document in his book, Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America from Washington. He has occasionally mentioned them on the campaign trail. Several of his ideas fall within the realm of mainstream conservative thinking today, but, as you will see, there are also a few surprises.

1. Abolish lifetime tenure for federal judges by amending Article III, Section I of the Constitution.

The nation's framers established a federal court system whereby judges with "good behavior" would be secure in their job for life. Perry believes that provision is ready for an overhaul.

"The Judges," reads Article III, "both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."

Perry makes it no secret that he believes the judges on the bench over the past century have acted beyond their constitutional bounds. The problem, Perry reasons, is that members of the judiciary are "unaccountable" to the people, and their lifetime tenure gives them free license to act however they want. In his book, the governor speaks highly of plans to limit their tenure and offers proposals about how to accomplish it.

"'[W]e should take steps to restrict the unlimited power of the courts to rule over us with no accountability," he writes in Fed Up! "There are a number of ideas about how to do this . . . . One such reform would be to institute term limits on what are now lifetime appointments for federal judges, particularly those on the Supreme Court or the circuit courts, which have so much power. One proposal, for example, would have judges roll off every two years based on seniority."

2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.

Ending lifetime tenure for federal justices isn't the only way Perry has proposed suppressing the power of the courts. His book excoriates at length what he sees as overreach from the judicial branch. (The title of Chapter Six is "Nine Unelected Judges Tell Us How to Live.")

Giving Congress the ability to veto their decisions would be another way to take the Court down a notch, Perry says.

"[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy," he writes.

3. Scrap the federal income tax by repealing the Sixteenth Amendment.

The Sixteenth Amendment gives Congress the "power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." It should be abolished immediately, Perry says.

Calling the Sixteenth Amendment "the great milestone on the road to serfdom," Perry's writes that it provides a virtually blank check to the federal government to use for projects with little or no consultation from the states.

4. End the direct election of senators by repealing the Seventeenth Amendment.

Overturning this amendment would restore the original language of the Constitution, which gave state legislators the power to appoint the members of the Senate.

Ratified during the Progressive Era in 1913 , the same year as the Sixteenth Amendment, the Seventeenth Amendment gives citizens the ability to elect senators on their own. Perry writes that supporters of the amendment at the time were "mistakenly" propelled by "a fit of populist rage."

"The American people mistakenly empowered the federal government during a fit of populist rage in the early twentieth century by giving it an unlimited source of income (the Sixteenth Amendment) and by changing the way senators are elected (the Seventeenth Amendment)," he writes.

5. Require the federal government to balance its budget every year.

Of all his proposed ideas, Perry calls this one "the most important," and of all the plans, a balanced budget amendment likely has the best chance of passage.

"The most important thing we could do is amend the Constitution--now--to restrict federal spending," Perry writes in his book. "There are generally thought to be two options: the traditional 'balanced budget amendment' or a straightforward 'spending limit amendment,' either of which would be a significant improvement. I prefer the latter . . . . Let's use the people's document--the Constitution--to put an actual spending limit in place to control the beast in Washington."

A campaign to pass a balanced budget amendment through Congress fell short by just one vote in the Senate in the 1990s.

Last year, House Republicans proposed a spending-limit amendment that would limit federal spending to 20 percent of the economy. According to the amendment's language, the restriction could be overridden by a two-thirds vote in both Houses of Congress or by a declaration of war.

6. The federal Constitution should define marriage as between one man and one woman in all 50 states.

Despite saying last month that he was "fine with" states like New York allowing gay marriage, Perry has now said he supports a constitutional amendment that would permanently ban gay marriage throughout the country and overturn any state laws that define marriage beyond a relationship between one man and one woman.

"I do respect a state's right to have a different opinion and take a different tack if you will, California did that," Perry told the Christian Broadcasting Network in August. "I respect that right, but our founding fathers also said, 'Listen, if you all in the future think things are so important that you need to change the Constitution here's the way you do it'.

In an interview with The Ticket earlier this month, Perry spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said that even though it would overturn laws in several states, the amendment still fits into Perry's broader philosophy because amendments require the ratification of three-fourths of the states to be added to the Constitution.

7. Abortion should be made illegal throughout the country.

Like the gay marriage issue, Perry at one time believed that abortion policy should be left to the states, as was the case before the 1973 Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade. But in the same Christian Broadcasting Network interview, Perry said that he would support a federal amendment outlawing abortion because it was "so important...to the soul of this country and to the traditional values [of] our founding fathers."


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Not a shock. This guy is nuttier than a shithouse at a peanut fair.
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To be fair, I'm not sure I can see anything terribly objectionable about his first idea of not making judge a lifetime position. A more regular turnover in those positions may be a good thing.

Balancing the budget can't hurt, either. It's about time the US stopped running a deficit.

The rest of it, though, yeah... craziness. It's Rick Perry, what can you say?
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Elheru Aran wrote:To be fair, I'm not sure I can see anything terribly objectionable about his first idea of not making judge a lifetime position. A more regular turnover in those positions may be a good thing.

Balancing the budget can't hurt, either. It's about time the US stopped running a deficit.

The rest of it, though, yeah... craziness. It's Rick Perry, what can you say?
There's a difference between balancing the budget and requiring the government to always balance the budget. For example, right now the budget cannot be balanced except by nuking welfare and/or wars and/or by massively raising taxes. Guess which would be most likely to happen. As for the judges, I can see where you're coming from, but Perry's all about eroding judicial independence in order to more easily set the social clock back to before the 1960s.
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Elheru Aran wrote:To be fair, I'm not sure I can see anything terribly objectionable about his first idea of not making judge a lifetime position. A more regular turnover in those positions may be a good thing.
So you want to abolish judicial independence?
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Elheru Aran wrote:To be fair, I'm not sure I can see anything terribly objectionable about his first idea of not making judge a lifetime position. A more regular turnover in those positions may be a good thing.
So you want to abolish judicial independence?
There's a middle ground between life-time elections short politician style elections and some sort of middle ground. For example what about a thirty year term?
And besides we've already done away with judicial independence since politicos pick judges to begin with and once you are elected your in the clear and it's almost impossible to be removed, to get considered your political creeds have to be in alignment.

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Elheru Aran wrote:To be fair, I'm not sure I can see anything terribly objectionable about his first idea of not making judge a lifetime position. A more regular turnover in those positions may be a good thing.
Have you ever heard of the phrase "checks and balances"? You know, that principle the Most-Pure and Wise Gods of 'murca FUCK YEAH Founding Fathers were trying to enact when they cobbled together the Constitution? If you make a judgeship a two year position, and (worse) make it electable like many state judges are; you suddenly destroy judicial independence and make the judiciary subservient to the legislative and/or executive branches of government. Since judges will get thrown out after two years, there will be every reason to nominate the most partisan and political judges that the majority party can ram through the confirmation process since you'll want them to be as effective for your people as possible in the two years they'll get to sit on the bench.

Imagine what would happen if you had eight years of Republican (or Democrat) Presidents, and the President's party controlled the Senate. In Rick Perry's world, he could pack the courts with reactionary conservative judges and the courts would be breathtakingly conservative for however long the GOP held both the Presidency and the Senate (or breathtakingly 'liberal', if you're one of the few Americans on this board who votes GOP.)

On the flip side, if control of the Presidency and Senate kept flip-flopping between the two parties, you'd have a judiciary that was utterly ineffective; since the courts would be made up of various mixtures of highly partisan judges. Which is also ideal in Rick Perry's world, since if his guys can't hold onto power long enough to pack the courts, then nothing should be able to get done until such a time that his people can cheat their way into power and hold onto it.
Balancing the budget can't hurt, either. It's about time the US stopped running a deficit.
This is one of those "common sense" things that sounds great if you know nothing about how to run a government. The only way to guarantee that a national government will never run a deficit is to ensure that the government is so small that it is entirely ineffectual. A government that can't create and manage huge "entitlement" programs which would do things like take money from rich white assholes and give it to filthy poor brown people. Of course, such a government would be completely incapable of giving the middle finger of 'Murican Military Might(tm) to the international community so it wouldn't be all bad. Please note the sarcasm dripping from that last sentence.
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Mr Bean wrote:
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Elheru Aran wrote:To be fair, I'm not sure I can see anything terribly objectionable about his first idea of not making judge a lifetime position. A more regular turnover in those positions may be a good thing.
So you want to abolish judicial independence?
There's a middle ground between life-time elections short politician style elections and some sort of middle ground. For example what about a thirty year term?
Doesn't sound too bad except that is not what Perry is planning.
And besides we've already done away with judicial independence since politicos pick judges to begin with and once you are elected your in the clear and it's almost impossible to be removed, to get considered your political creeds have to be in alignment.
Sure, but those change over time - who was considered conservative in the 80s is now most likely to the center-left etc.
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Even my dad, who agrees with the Repubs on several things, thinks Perry's ideas for the judiciary branch are complete bullshit.

What I get from his suggestions on terms seems to me like a means to rapidly stack the judicial branch in favor of the dominant party. If you assume he drops the most senior two judges every two years, which would probably have the highest probably of being judges, and replace with cronies of his own, in the first two years he would probably have a majority in the supreme court, let alone after four. At the end of two terms, he has eight of his lackeys in the supreme court. That means should a democrat be elected after that, it won't be until his second term until he would see the supreme court swinging in his favor.
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So ... it amounts to attacks on "activist judges", eliminating federal income tax, selecting senators rather than electing them (right after complaining that judges are "unaccountable"), a balanced budget amendment, and the usual right-wing Bible thumping homobortion ranting.

Apparently, Rick Perry's America will consist of judges who must act like politicians, a financially straitjacketed federal government which consequently cannot operate at a first-world level, and Christian sexual puritanism being written into law. Hmmm ... fickle law, third-world government service level, and theocratic government ... sounds like Africa.
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For those wondering what this paragon of sanity looks and acts like, I give you:

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Flagg wrote:For those wondering what this paragon of sanity looks and acts like, I give you:

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I trust that is sarcasm.

In all seriousness, there is something to be said for non-lifetime Judge appointments. But it has to be at least 20 year terms or you make them into politicians. :/
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kaeneth wrote:
Flagg wrote:For those wondering what this paragon of sanity looks and acts like, I give you:

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I trust that is sarcasm.
Did the picture give it away? :lol:
In all seriousness, there is something to be said for non-lifetime Judge appointments. But it has to be at least 20 year terms or you make them into politicians. :/
Like they aren't already. The go in front of congress, lie through their teeth, and then push whatever agenda they were nominated for.
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Flagg wrote:
kaeneth wrote:
Flagg wrote:For those wondering what this paragon of sanity looks and acts like, I give you:

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I trust that is sarcasm.
Did the picture give it away? :lol:
I actually know someone who said how awesome that guy was and used the same picture so...I had to hope. :P
In all seriousness, there is something to be said for non-lifetime Judge appointments. But it has to be at least 20 year terms or you make them into politicians. :/
Like they aren't already. The go in front of congress, lie through their teeth, and then push whatever agenda they were nominated for.
Yes but, they stop being one after they are appointed for the rest of their lives. Some judges actually try to make honest decisions. xD
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The only way I can see to make judges "accountable" is to make their terms subject to periodic review by a conclave of say, the various state bars. '

Say, every six to eight years, the state bars elect from their number a specialist in a given type of law, and sends them to a legal summit lasting a howeverthehelllong where they break into committees and review the decisions from the last few years in various courts. Each committee (say the Civil Rights Law committee) votes on each decision, determining whether the decision is sane and rationally in accordance with the law at the time it was rendered (and this would included concurrent opinions and dissents) and then once it was all done, vote on whether relevant sitting judges ought keep their seats. Also give them the ability to investigate conflicts of interest that generate an appearance of impropriety.

Once this is done, there are a few ways of completing the process.

1) Send the list of recommended firings to the senate, which by statute would be empowered to vote on whether or not to "reconfirm" them.

2) Be themselves empowered by statute to determine that these rulings do not constitute "good behavior", and thus directly remove them. Not sure if this would be constitutional or not.
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Vote for Rick PArry. That's Perry with an 'A'. :lol:

I have to agree on the judge term limit matter (I prefer a 5 year review cycle). That damn Scalia should be dragged before the Hague. [or a firing squad] (he says 'waterboarding' isn't torture. wtf)

Parry needs to be taught what happens when a country bans abortion... it ain't pretty. It's a hate crime against women. Plus he wants to take away the hard won rights of gays.
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ComradeClaus wrote:Parry needs to be taught what happens when a country bans abortion... it ain't pretty. It's a hate crime against women. Plus he wants to take away the hard won rights of gays.
The thing is, people like that don't think subhumans have rights, and they view women and gays as subhuman. They are as blunt about that, but that's what their opinions boil down to.
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ComradeClaus wrote:Parry needs to be taught what happens when a country bans abortion... it ain't pretty. It's a hate crime against women. Plus he wants to take away the hard won rights of gays.
The thing is, people like that don't think subhumans have rights, and they view women and gays as subhuman. They are as blunt about that, but that's what their opinions boil down to.
Or they genuinely believe that foetuses are humans and abortion in therefor murder. You may disagree, you may think its fucked up or unscientific, but I can say from experience its possible to oppose abortion without viewing women as subhuman, and demonizing the opposition never did any good.

That said, just banning abortion won't turn out well. Most likely, you'd get a lot of unsafe back alley abortions. If this guy's serious about stopping abortions, he'd do better to invest heavily in effective sexual education as well as free health care and social services to make raising a child more affordable for poor/single mothers. But that would be dirty Godless Socialism. Isn't it fun when people are too stupid to achieve their own objectives?

Regardless, Perry can go fuck himself based on a whole host of foul, stupid policies. I knew the man was trouble ever since his flirtation with secession a couple of years back. :x That alone would probably disqualify him from getting my vote.
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I saw this article yesterday. While Perry came across as yet another Tea Party idiot to me before, I didn't know he was THIS bad. Some of the stuff here is just outrageous. How the hell does this guy think the United States is supposed to function without a federal income tax?

Then again, I shouldn't be surprised. The hypocrisy and inconsistency from the Right is so blatant. Perry's one of those "small government" guys...yet further regulating marriage and abortion are big goals for him. As is usual. And oh yeah, the best way to elect US Senators is to take the voting out of the hands of the people, and put it into...the state government's. Because if government's at the "state" level everything's automatically better. And apparently America's been on "the road to serfdom" for nearly a HUNDRED YEARS.

For someone coming from the party that loves to glorify the Constitution, Perry sure wants to change a whole lot of it.
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I very strongly supported abortion when I was younger. I'm not quite sure why. (Maybe I felt stronger birth control would help stabilize 3rd world countries. Though better education & women's rights 1st is preferable) Though over time I became less emphatic about it. Not because foetus=life, I'm just squamish about it I suppose. (or it could be that I watched that South Park episode w/ stem cells... brrr.) But at the same time, I've always known what the consequenses of outlawing it is. Communist Romania got rid of it & all other birth control (in an insane bid to increase the population) & the effect was horrendous.

Seriously, Democrats need to bring this up every time they run against a republican.
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ComradeClaus wrote:Parry needs to be taught what happens when a country bans abortion... it ain't pretty. It's a hate crime against women. Plus he wants to take away the hard won rights of gays.
The thing is, people like that don't think subhumans have rights, and they view women and gays as subhuman. They are as blunt about that, but that's what their opinions boil down to.
Or they genuinely believe that foetuses are humans and abortion in therefor murder.
Clearly, since gays are in that statement, I wasn't referring to just abortion.
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Jim Raynor wrote:I saw this article yesterday. While Perry came across as yet another Tea Party idiot to me before, I didn't know he was THIS bad. Some of the stuff here is just outrageous. How the hell does this guy think the United States is supposed to function without a federal income tax?
The usual rationale for that one is "because it did function for over a century without federal income tax".

Of course, the nation's situation and population in 2011 is VASTLY different than in 1811, which fact seems to escape these folks.
And oh yeah, the best way to elect US Senators is to take the voting out of the hands of the people, and put it into...the state government's. Because if government's at the "state" level everything's automatically better.
Again, the rationale for that is "because the nation functioned just fine for over a century without direct election of senators". That is the original way doing things.
For someone coming from the party that loves to glorify the Constitution, Perry sure wants to change a whole lot of it.
While I agree that things like a "marriage amendment" and a few other ideas are bullshit, on those two point that you name there actually is some rationale for favoring them, even if it's as simple as "that's the way we used to do it, and I think we didn't need to make the change." Personally, I don't see the need to change back to the old ways, but at least for those points there some actual historical precedent to doing things that way.
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Broomstick wrote: Clearly, since gays are in that statement, I wasn't referring to just abortion.
Fair enough. Clearly, since I did not address that part of the statement, I was not interested in attempting to refute it. :wink:

Of course, I don't doubt many of them would deny they hate gays (though some openly do, of course), along the lines of "love the sinner, hate the sin". Not that this excuses their beliefs. But really, for the average religious nut, I doubt weather they put much more thought into than "because the Bible says so". That's pretty much the whole point of being a Fundamentalist.
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Re: Rick Perry and US Constitution

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Broomstick wrote:
And oh yeah, the best way to elect US Senators is to take the voting out of the hands of the people, and put it into...the state government's. Because if government's at the "state" level everything's automatically better.
Again, the rationale for that is "because the nation functioned just fine for over a century without direct election of senators". That is the original way doing things.
What I understand is, the rationale for that rationale is that the Senate is supposed to be a body representing the governments of the states; that senators were supposed to essentially be the states' ambassadors to the federal government, in the way that countries today send unelected ambassadors to the United Nations. For someone strongly supporting states' rights, this is a natural idea - while the people already have their chosen voices in the House of Representatives, the governments of the states also get their voices heard, but in the Senate.
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Broomstick wrote:The thing is, people like that don't think subhumans have rights, and they view women and gays as subhuman. They are as blunt about that, but that's what their opinions boil down to.
It's not that they think gays and women are subhuman. It's that they think gays are evil, and that promiscuous women (who they assume all women seeking abortions to be) are evil. In a way, that's actually worse than merely thinking of them as inferiors who don't deserve rights. They actually think of gays and sexually promiscuous women as actively evil individuals who must be stopped at any cost.
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