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Some of it is interesting so far and some of it confirming what people have said in the past. A sample from the New York Times.
¶ A dangerous standoff with Pakistan over nuclear fuel: Since 2007, the United States has mounted a highly secret effort, so far unsuccessful, to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that American officials fear could be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear device. In May 2009, Ambassador Anne W. Patterson reported that Pakistan was refusing to schedule a visit by American technical experts because, as a Pakistani official said, “if the local media got word of the fuel removal, ‘they certainly would portray it as the United States taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,’ he argued.”

¶ Gaming out an eventual collapse of North Korea: American and South Korean officials have discussed the prospects for a unified Korea, should the North’s economic troubles and political transition lead the state to implode. The South Koreans even considered commercial inducements to China, according to the American ambassador to Seoul. She told Washington in February that South Korean officials believe that the right business deals would “help salve” China’s “concerns about living with a reunified Korea” that is in a “benign alliance” with the United States.

¶ Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama, while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth millions of dollars to take in a group of detainees, cables from diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence in Europe.”

¶ Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)

¶ A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said.

¶ Mixed records against terrorism: Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals,” the cable said.

¶ An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoys supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he is undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignores his edicts.

¶ Arms deliveries to militants: Cables describe the United States’ failing struggle to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has amassed a huge stockpile since its 2006 war with Israel. One week after President Bashar al-Assad promised a top State Department official that he would not send “new” arms to Hezbollah, the United States complained that it had information that Syria was providing increasingly sophisticated weapons to the group.

¶ Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.”
Other stuff: A very long and interesting New York Times article detailing the Iran nuclear issue and how countries around the world were responding to it.
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I've been reading the coverage of it by The New York Times, The Guardian UK, and Der Spiegel in english. I particularly recommend The Guardian, since they have this database that allows you to select a country, the cables released on it, and the articles about them (if any).

Of course, this just makes me want to check out the original sources on the Wikileaks website, when they get around to releasing them. I've been checking their website now and then, and none of it is up yet.
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Oh this is nice:
One of the first eye-opening revelations from the massive WikiLeaks diplomatic logs release is the length to which the US State Department is being treated as just another of America’s many spying apparatus.

Among the leaks was something called the “National Humint Collection Directive,” a secret document signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last year. The document orders officials at the State Department to conduct mass surveillance and in some cases outright theft against high ranking UN officials.

Incredibly, beyond the simple collection of secret information about officials including UN chief Ban Ki-moon, the directive also calls for State Department officials to try to steal credit card data from a number of top officials, as well as passwords and personal encryption keys. They also sought to collect DNA samples from UN members.

The directive was sent to 33 US embassies across the world, and specified not just Ban, but his top advisers, the heads of all UN agencies, commanders of UN military missions and representatives of all the permanent members of the UN Security Council.

The State Department was chieflh responsible for this attempt, but they were also to enlist the CIA, FBI, and the US Secret Service in the collection of data if necessary. The 1946 UN Convention prohibits most if not all of the attempts at theft and surveillance detailed in the operation.
What possible use would there be for collecting their DNA? Maybe Hillary assumes that because her husband was busted thanks to his DNA being on Monica Lewinsky's dress, other government officials are open to being attacked over their peckertracks.
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Yeah, the stuff they say about the current German government (not that I like them) isn't that nice, either. Just to cite Der Spiegel:
The 250,000 US State Department documents made public by WikiLeaks reveal that the US has an extensive network of informants in Berlin and was kept informed of coalition negotiations as Chancellor Merkel was forming her current government. US officials, the cables show, are skeptical of several top German politicians.

The more than 250,000 secret documents from the US State Department show just how critical the American diplomats were of the new German government. In particular, the new Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, leader of the pro-business Free Democrats (FDP), is seen in a negative light. The secret reports describe him as incompetent, vain and critical of America. The US diplomats report that they face a challenge in dealing with a politician who is considered an "enigma," who has little foreign policy experience and "remains skeptical about the US." An embassy cable from Berlin from Sept. 22, 2009 describes Westerwelle as having an "exuberant personality." That is why he finds it difficult to take a backseat when it comes to any matters of dispute with Chancellor Angela Merkel," the cable says.

There are 1,719 reports from the US Embassy in Berlin included in the documents. The Americans considered the chancellor to be the better contact person, when it came to foreign policy issues, the documents make clear. In comparison to Westerwelle, Merkel was seen as having "more government and foreign policy experience." However, the US diplomats also had reservations about the chancellor. She was referred to several times in the reports as Angela "Teflon" Merkel, because so little sticks to her. "She is risk averse and rarely creative" noted one report from March 24, 2009. The Americans argue that the chancellor views international diplomacy above all from the perspective of how she can profit from it domestically. Merkel had "cast off the yoke of the Grand Coalition only now to be encumbered with a new FDP-CSU double yoke," a cable from February 2010 reported. "Grand Coalition" is shorthand for Merkel's first administration in coalition with the center-left Social Democrats. "CSU" stands for the Christian Social Union, the Bavarian sister party to Merkel's Christian Democrats.

The US diplomats obviously have a deep network of informants in Germany. One source in October 2009 reported frequently from the ongoing coalition negotiations to form a government between Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats and Westerwelle's FDP. The informant was a "young, up-and-coming party loyalist" from the FDP, wrote the US Ambassador to Berlin, Philip Murphy, in a report from Oct. 9, 2009. The source had "offered (the embassy employee) internal party documents in the past." He was prepared to read out personal notes he had made and to hand over documents from the negotiations.

In an interview with SPIEGEL, Murphy defended this as normal diplomatic work. "We speak with people. You get to know each other, you trust people and you share your estimations." He said he was "unbelievably angry" with those who had downloaded the material. According to Murphy his people had "done nothing wrong," and that he would not "apologize for what they had done."
Thing is the current ambassador has made so many shitty remarks about the current government and the country in general in these cables, that I don't think he'll be able to do his job as he did before, now that it's in the open.
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Elfdart wrote:What possible use would there be for collecting their DNA? Maybe Hillary assumes that because her husband was busted thanks to his DNA being on Monica Lewinsky's dress, other government officials are open to being attacked over their peckertracks.
Blackmail. It is now possible to replicate DNA if you have a sample to replicate. So...

"So, you absolutely, positively want to propose this resolution about <insert random shitty affair in which the US is involved> to vote ? Well, maybe that this could make you think twice about it..." *produce a file with proofs of the bureaucrat/diplomat/whatever involvement in something nasty and career-ending*
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Tribun wrote: Thing is the current ambassador has made so many shitty remarks about the current government and the country in general in these cables, that I don't think he'll be able to do his job as he did before, now that it's in the open.
Which is why this stuff was considered sensitive and should have remained so. All countries have these kind of frank evaluations of major personalities they have to deal with in diplomatic situations, they're useful in deciding who to go to in certain situations, how to approach people, etc. There is no reason for stuff like this to be leaked other than to be a dick and try to embarass the people/country who wrote the reports.
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Drone wrote:
Tribun wrote: Thing is the current ambassador has made so many shitty remarks about the current government and the country in general in these cables, that I don't think he'll be able to do his job as he did before, now that it's in the open.
Which is why this stuff was considered sensitive and should have remained so. All countries have these kind of frank evaluations of major personalities they have to deal with in diplomatic situations, they're useful in deciding who to go to in certain situations, how to approach people, etc. There is no reason for stuff like this to be leaked other than to be a dick and try to embarass the people/country who wrote the reports.
Arthur Silber explained why this material should be leaked:
Since the overall purpose of U.S. foreign policy is American global hegemony, to be achieved by deadly sanctions, covert operations, overthrow, criminal wars of aggression, torture and the murder of huge numbers of innocent human beings, we can only fervently pray that this release will "negatively impact U.S. foreign relations."
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Drone wrote:
Tribun wrote: Thing is the current ambassador has made so many shitty remarks about the current government and the country in general in these cables, that I don't think he'll be able to do his job as he did before, now that it's in the open.
Which is why this stuff was considered sensitive and should have remained so. All countries have these kind of frank evaluations of major personalities they have to deal with in diplomatic situations, they're useful in deciding who to go to in certain situations, how to approach people, etc. There is no reason for stuff like this to be leaked other than to be a dick and try to embarass the people/country who wrote the reports.
That is true to a degree, but it doesn't make the US look any less insincere. After all, foreign government officials exist to serve their countries, not ours. In any case, it makes us look like a bunch of power hungry maniacs who are only interested using and manipulating other nations in order to enhance our own interests.

Other nations do exactly the same, but tu quoque isn't an argument to support this.
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Elfdart wrote:
Since the overall purpose of U.S. foreign policy is American global hegemony, to be achieved by deadly sanctions, covert operations, overthrow, criminal wars of aggression, torture and the murder of huge numbers of innocent human beings, we can only fervently pray that this release will "negatively impact U.S. foreign relations."
Amen.
Oh, right - like no other government has ever done anything like that!

Covert operations? Every spy who ever spied, on any side (and some several at the same time)

Overthrow? Numerous examples throughout history.

Criminal wars of aggression? How about the Opium Wars? Gee, do we count the Soviets using force of arms to keep Eastern Europe on the thumb or not? Anyone who ever invaded anyone else anywhere, basically, the whole of human history.

Torture and murder of huge numbers of innocent human beings? Oh, gee, do I start or end with the Nazis? How about the Armenian genocide? Genocide in the former Yugoslavia. That's just in the 20th Century, and just in Europe. Let's take a look at Africa, Asia, and South America in the same time period, hmm?

As I said - just like everyone else, everywhere. It's not the objection to the horseshit I have a problem with - ALL of it is reprehensible, it's ugly, and most if not all of it ethically wrong - it's the notion that this is somehow unique to the US, or they're special perpetrators of it. Honestly, you read some of this - I'm browsing the business about the Middle East and nuclear weapons - and it's clear plenty of nations were involved in this shit and happy to play along.

The statement aim here is to harm US foreign relations - not clear the air, provide transparency, or air everyone's dirty laundry, it aimed specifically at the US to cause harm. Like we need help to fuck up foreign relations after Bush W. :roll: Yeah, nice going guys. The amusing thing, of course, is how much of other peoples' dirty laundry will also see the light of day.
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Screw uniqueness; for me at least it's not about that.

The way I see it, the problem is that we're supposed to have a republic, and on some level that does require that the government be accountable to the public. You can say all you want about how we elect the politicians to make these decisions for us, but we still have to be able to assess their performance on a regular basis to decide whether we want them around. And that's impossible if the public does not receive basic information on what the government is doing, or does not receive it for so long after the fact that it's ceased to matter.

The increasing 'secretization' of America's foreign policy since the Second World War has made it practically impossible for the American people to exercise control over it. Between the media's complicit relationship with the executive branch and the fact that so much of this policy information is kept secret, the average American's perception of what their own government is up to now bears only a vague resemblance to reality.

That is not a good thing. While government by unelected scholar-bureaucrats and functionally interchangeable figureheads may work, we're not set up to run the country that way, and trying to do so isn't doing us a bit of good.
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I agree that in a republic people should have access to information, however, some things can not be done openly. Or do you think that getting Arabs and Israelis to agree on a course of action again a potential threat posed by yet another Middle Eastern country is going to happen under the scrutiny of today's media? Fuck no.

Reality is that there needs to be a balance between openness and secrets. Our diplomats have to be able to speak frankly amongst themselves about people in other countries, and their counterparts likewise, but such discussions when made public can often make things worse, not better. Part of diplomacy is finding a way to work with people you don't like who do things you don't approve of - preferably while doing so in such a polite manner the other party in unaware of your disapproval of them.

Yes, some of the stuff coming out really did need to be aired in public. Absolutely. Particularly (in my opinion) where other nations have pretended to have clean hands and in truth had fingers just as dirty as anyone else's.* But some of this information released will not benefit anyone.


* Yea, thanks Middle East - you all want something "done" about Iran's nuclear problem, but none of you have the balls to speak out in public. Fuck you, go to hell, I'm tired of my country being the go-to guy for dirty work, and your secret exhortations to attack aren't helping that at all. Those I suppose it's nice to know that the Arabs and the Israelis all agree on something for a change, even if they'd all prefer to swallow their tongues than admit it out loud.
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I'm at the Grauniad's DB (thanks Bass), and it's just...a smorgasbord of delights! There goes the rest of my day.
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Of course Assange isn't going to try and embarrass the governments of Russia or China the way he has focused on harming the US. That would be dangerous. For all the paranoid concern about what the US "might" do to him, those governments and others like them will try to harm him if he exposes their national secrets. And probably be far more successful in doing so than the American government could be.

Of course the striking thing about the cables is what they confirm, not what they reveal. Leaks about the opinions of various institutional figures in Europe and elsewhere about the intelligence of Dubya or the weakness of Obama point to the certainty that stringently frank secret evaluations are issues by every government's diplomats. That's their job. Bringing it out into the open is a gross violation of the rules of diplomacy even though such assessments are commonplace, and in the leaked cables thus far follow very conventional wisdom; Berlusconi is a clown, Putin is corrupt, Karzai is a fool, Cameron is a nonentity, Sarkozy is authoritarian and thin-skinned, Merkel is not creative, etc and etc. It is a very good excuse to gum up the works of diplomacy, hold some cathartic national outrage, and set back relations significantly. Since none of these assessments actually contains anything revelatory the rationale for leaking them has nothing to do with freedom of information and can only be attributed to Wikileaks self-appointed mission of hobbling the United States.

The cable revealing sensitive dealings with Arab governments over Iran, though, have the potential to cause rather greater misfortune. Arab leaders are likely to feel personally betrayed that their confidential comments are being reported, especially since such comments run counter to Islamic solidarity and their own public stances. They may very well become much more reluctant to trust the US, with devastating consequences to regional stability. Iran of course has all the justification it will need to unilaterally abrogate negotiations over its nuclear development policies, and will probably increase efforts to undermine and destabilize the Gulf governments. By making diplomacy much more difficult and directly undermining Obama's diplomatic strategy to fence Iran in over the nuclear issue Wikileaks has made the prospect of a regional war that much more likely. And if it does not happen a nuclear-armed Iran is now more likely an inevitability since the prospects short of war for preventing it have been so damaged. Proliferation in the region given the damage the leaks do to Iranian-Arab relations would probably follow as well.

I also suspect the confirmation of certain speculations about China come at a very bad time as well. Everyone has known the PRC was supporting a large hacking community but being accused of it in confidential cables by the State Department raises the stakes. At a time when we need Sino-American relations on a more even keel to help deal with the world economic crisis, that kind of tension is not at all helpful to anyone. That we've also apparently identified Chinese officials who have been candid about their exasperation with North Korea may be even worse, in so far as it gives reactionaries in the Politburo ammunition to go after such moderates as "American lackies," discourages said moderates from trusting the US, and also potentially makes North Korea feel even more tightly boxed in a corner. The prospects of Chinese mediation through the six-power talks certainly takes a hit in any case, which closes off one potential avenue for resolving the present tension in Korea.

And the US uses embassies and diplomats to collect intelligence. The first diplomat and the first spy were one and the same. It's something everyone does, including spying on close allies. Nothing new at all there, but it is an embarrassment and certainly justification for any government that wants to expel some US diplomatic personnel.

So, yeah, these leaks reveal nothing but do a lot of damage to American diplomacy. Said damage is likely to make the world a worse place in the coming years. Good job, Wikileaks crusaders.
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Broomstick wrote: As I said - just like everyone else, everywhere. It's not the objection to the horseshit I have a problem with - ALL of it is reprehensible, it's ugly, and most if not all of it ethically wrong - it's the notion that this is somehow unique to the US, or they're special perpetrators of it.
Oh, get off. The US is currently the only western democracy which tortures and flaunts international law and human rights so outrageously. Equating that with stuff that happened in European dictatorships of over 60 years ago is pretty idiotic.

And this is a godsend to the historians, because now we got access to primary sources instead of having to wait over 100 years to read a blacked-out mess.
Of course the striking thing about the cables is what they confirm, not what they reveal.
Yeah, it is that some of the stuff that people thought would be completely nonsensical to suspect the US off is actually very real.
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MarshalPurnell wrote: So, yeah, these leaks reveal nothing but do a lot of damage to American diplomacy. Said damage is likely to make the world a worse place in the coming years. Good job, Wikileaks crusaders.
Worse for whom?
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I looked at the Guardian's database, and I'm not seeing any actual content, just rough summaries and a lot of Tos, Froms, and Wheres. Can someone point me to where I can actually read some of these cables?
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Phantasee wrote:I looked at the Guardian's database, and I'm not seeing any actual content, just rough summaries and a lot of Tos, Froms, and Wheres. Can someone point me to where I can actually read some of these cables?
if you click on those summaries, it'll direct you to the full article
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Stark wrote:
MarshalPurnell wrote: So, yeah, these leaks reveal nothing but do a lot of damage to American diplomacy. Said damage is likely to make the world a worse place in the coming years. Good job, Wikileaks crusaders.
Worse for whom?
Oh, Stark is +1 for thoughtless, supposedly witty run and post snarky comments. Big surprise.

Try everyone, jackass. Or do you think the price of oil skyrocketing over an Iranian bomb will do the world economy any favors? That the spread of nuclear weapons in the Middle East will do the world any good? That the replacement of American influence with Russian and Chinese influence will improve human rights and the spread of liberal institutions?

Oh, but maybe Thanas's peerless, white virginal shining knight of Europe will ride in and restore an international order based on collaboration, mutual respect, reason and justice?

Because, yeah, France totally did not foment genocide in Rwanda. And the Quai D'Orsay cables over West Africa totally wouldn't be interesting reading. And they totally aren't trying to eject Gypsies from their country, back to charming EU countries like Slovakia and Romania where they totally aren't subject to anything like apartheid. And Spain and Italy don't at all violate any of the ECHR approved human rights of African immigrants trying to get in over their borders. Oh, and British diplomats didn't repeatedly insult the intelligence of the American president in their own secret conversations a few years back.
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Oh, so you meant 'the paranoid'. You could have just said so!

PS mad props for the outragous strawman of Thanas's post, by the way. You look really clever now.

Oh man... I laughed so hard at the implication the US improves 'human rights and the spread of liberal institutions'. :V
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Dartzap wrote:
Phantasee wrote:I looked at the Guardian's database, and I'm not seeing any actual content, just rough summaries and a lot of Tos, Froms, and Wheres. Can someone point me to where I can actually read some of these cables?
if you click on those summaries, it'll direct you to the full article
Also, this is the wikileaks site (assuming you can get through): Cablegate
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Thanas wrote:
Broomstick wrote: As I said - just like everyone else, everywhere. It's not the objection to the horseshit I have a problem with - ALL of it is reprehensible, it's ugly, and most if not all of it ethically wrong - it's the notion that this is somehow unique to the US, or they're special perpetrators of it.
Oh, get off. The US is currently the only western democracy which tortures and flaunts international law and human rights so outrageously. Equating that with stuff that happened in European dictatorships of over 60 years ago is pretty idiotic.
OK, Thanas, where, exactly, did I specifically mention torture? YOU brought that up. But since you did bring it up - where have I EVER condoned such actions on the part of my government? Yeah, the US has been shitty lately, we all know that, I did not in fact deny that. As a historian, however, you are aware that nothing mentioned is unique to the US. We just won't mention Switzerland and France sheltering a convicted rapist and protecting him from extradition. What was that about flaunting law? Oh, by the way - this report from Amnesty International for 2010 paints a slight less rosy picture of Europe. By the way, the section on Germany starts on page 149. Apparently your government has been implicated in forced renditions, as well as questionable "interrogation" practices in Pakistan and Uzbekistan where Germans were involved. As I said the United States is not unique. EVERYONE has dirty hands.

Anyhow, I thought I was pretty clear that my biggest helping of anger was reserved for those Middle Eastern nations who continually accuse the US of being a bully, of interfering, of any number of of things then turned right around and whisper "but could you bomb Iran for us?". Let me make that clear NOW - THAT is what I am most angry about (today). THAT hypocrisy makes my skin crawl. That has nothing to do with torture, or even the "war on terror", does it? It has to do with a bunch of assholes who want us to do the dirty work so they can continue to look nice and clean and moral. Well, they aren't. Pardon me for being disgusted with that.
And this is a godsend to the historians, because now we got access to primary sources instead of having to wait over 100 years to read a blacked-out mess.
As pointed out, this could make international diplomacy more difficult and war more likely - is it really worth getting this information sooner, that you'd risk a war or two breaking out?
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This is hilarious, to be honest. The idea that international diplomacy would be shut down by the revelation that the US is essentially a cowardly bully, like the majority of large nations, is ludicrous at best. If there is a general understanding among diplomats that this is how diplomacy is conducted, then there is no problem with other national governments, since they do the same thing and understand the rules of the game. If this is failed to be understood by the populace of these nations, or of the US, then tough shit. These people are part of the political elites, and this is just chickens coming home to roost, finally. They decided to wreck educational systems, they decided that ignorance was better than knowledge, they demanded that we trust them completely and with no real guarantees, and they blew it.

But if it would harm international relations, then that suggests that this isn't business as usual, or rather that this wouldn't be accepted in other nations as normal. I challenge the people criticizing WikiLeaks with this: do you really support hiding the fact that the US is a bully amongst nations, a coward unwilling to deal with its self-inflicted problems, from its population? Do you really believe that the balance between openness and security lies at the point where no significant fraction of the voterbase really understands how we treat other nations?
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When does Saudi Arabia, as a country, accuse the US of being a bully, of interfering, or any of these other things? Because I'm pretty sure the King is buddy-buddy with the US. If he does say anything, it's for internal consumption and Uncle Sam doesn't give a shit.
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I don't see what the big deal is here. A bunch of mundane stuff with CONFIDENTIAL and SECRET slapped on it for no real discernible reason. As if anyone remotely familiar with world politics not to mention actual policymakers wasn't aware that US is hostile to Iran or that Arab Sunni countries don't want Iran to get the nuclear bomb.
I'm still browsing through the leaks but can't find anything meaty.
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Kane Starkiller wrote:I don't see what the big deal is here. A bunch of mundane stuff with CONFIDENTIAL and SECRET slapped on it for no real discernible reason. As if anyone remotely familiar with world politics not to mention actual policymakers wasn't aware that US is hostile to Iran or that Arab Sunni countries don't want Iran to get the nuclear bomb.
I'm still browsing through the leaks but can't find anything meaty.
I think it's pretty creepy that the US is ordering embassy personnel to get iris scans and DNA from African leaders. What exactly do they need that for? It sounds frankly like some sort of Bond villain scheme.
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