"Lipstick on a pig" - McCain pretends comment is a

[Justforfun000]

Will they stop at nothing? He apparently made the comment in reference to change because he even said another analogy afterwards about wrapping fish in new newspaper. He was referring to McCain's policies, but of course they HAD to lie and stir this up.

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Sarah Palin 'lipstick pig' attack advert removed from YouTube after complaint
An official John McCain advert accusing Barack Obama of sexism has been removed from YouTube after complaints that it misuses quotes from a leading US news anchor.


By Matthew Moore
Last Updated: 3:06PM BST 11 Sep 2008
John McCain's attack video against Barack Obama - screengrab
The video is still prominent on the official John McCain website

The advert was made in response to a remark made by the Democratic candidate in which he appeared to compare Sarah Palin, Mr McCain's running mate, to a lipstick-wearing pig.

It features a brief quote from CBS news presenter Katie Couric attacking the “continued and accepted role of sexism in American life”.

The placing of the extract appears to imply that Couric was referring to Mr Obama’s jibe, when the clip was actually taken from a discussion recorded several weeks ago about the coverage of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

The video has now been taken down by YouTube, which is owned by Google, after complaints from CBS.

Users clicking on the link are met with the message: "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by CBS Interactive Inc."

The advert, which ends with a picture of Mr Obama and the words “Ready to lead? No. Ready to smear? Yes”, is still prominent on the official McCain campaign website, and duplicates have been uploaded onto YouTube by other users despite the CBS complaint.

Mr Obama has denied that his "lipstick pig" comment was a reference to Mrs Palin.

A CBS spokesman said: "CBS News does not endorse any candidate in the presidential race.

“Any use of CBS personnel in political advertising that suggests the contrary is misleading."

[CaptainChewbacca]

There's a word missing from your title.

At any rate, its a common expression, and while you shouldn't get worked up over it, I don't think it was that smart for Obama to use it. I remember when McCain used it about one of Hillary's ideas, I didn't think it went well.

[General Zod]

There's a word missing from your title.

At any rate, its a common expression, and while you shouldn't get worked up over it, I don't think it was that smart for Obama to use it. I remember when McCain used it about one of Hillary's ideas, I didn't think it went well.

Perhaps not smart, but the fact that McCain used the same thing to describe Hillary's proposals and got flustered when Obama used it too demonstrates the sheer blatant hypocrisy from McSame.

[Grasscutter]

I think Obama had a great response to all of this on Letterman: "Keep in mind that had I meant it this way, she'd be the lipstick ... The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig."

[Surlethe]

I was talking to a conservative last night about this, and he insists that it's all a mind game by the Obama campaign to get the McCain camp all riled up. After all, given the thousands of possible euphemisms to use for "dressing up failed policies", why would Obama choose to use the only one that has lipstick in it, especially after Palin used the term in her acceptance speech? It can't be a coincidence.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I was talking to a conservative last night about this, and he insists that it's all a mind game by the Obama campaign to get the McCain camp all riled up. After all, given the thousands of possible euphemisms to use for "dressing up failed policies", why would Obama choose to use the only one that has lipstick in it, especially after Palin used the term in her acceptance speech? It can't be a coincidence.

I'm sure he used the lipstick thing deliberately, they choose their words too carefully. I just don't think he's calling Palin a pig, since again, they choose their words too carefully.

[Surlethe]

I was talking to a conservative last night about this, and he insists that it's all a mind game by the Obama campaign to get the McCain camp all riled up. After all, given the thousands of possible euphemisms to use for "dressing up failed policies", why would Obama choose to use the only one that has lipstick in it, especially after Palin used the term in her acceptance speech? It can't be a coincidence.

I'm sure he used the lipstick thing deliberately, they choose their words too carefully. I just don't think he's calling Palin a pig, since again, they choose their words too carefully.

I really don't think it requires any explanation other than coincidence. If it were something entirely thought out, like an ad, I would be more hesitant to attribute the wording to coincidence, but in this case Obama was speaking extemporaneously. It seems quite a stretch to pin the wording on him thinking, "Oh, I'll needle McCain a little bit" instead of simply using the first expression that came to mind to get his point across.

[Metatwaddle]

Yeah, I really didn't think he meant it in a gendered way. I've never really thought of "lipstick on a pig" as gendered at all; it's like "polish a turd" except you can say it on national TV.

I would vote for Obama five times if he said "polish a turd" on national TV.

Anyway, it reminds me of the time a few people accused Obama of sexism by saying that Hillary lashes out "periodically, when she's down". They thought he was accusing her of PMS. The difference here is that those people were feminists. The Republican party is a bunch of sexist, anti-choice, anti-feminist hypocrites.

[Masami von Weizegger]

The Republican party is a bunch of sexist, anti-choice, anti-feminist hypocrites.

But they have one of them women folk on the ticket. Checkmate. Now, king me.

How can it be gendered anyway? It's not, it doesn't mean anything to do with gender. Whether or not Palin used it before in reference to herself is irrelevant. The Obama camp has been accused of literally formulating a new meaning for a phrase around since at least the 80's (with tenuous links to as far back as the 20's) and doing such a good job of it, we all supposedly know what this new meaning is overnight (that is, Palin is a woman, wink wink nudge nudge).

[Metatwaddle]

I suspect the accusations that it's gendered come from the fact that it's about lipstick, which is an exclusively female item...? I'm sorry, I'm not completely fluent in opportunist Republican doublethink.

[General Zod]

I suspect the accusations that it's gendered come from the fact that it's about lipstick, which is an exclusively female item...? I'm sorry, I'm not completely fluent in opportunist Republican doublethink.

Just remember, it's only sexist when Democrats do it! It's a-okay as long as the Republicans are the ones throwing the terminology about.

[Rye]

The truth is that it probably is sexist to some extent; it's a perfectly valid criticism of the republicans to point out they threw a frustrated librarian into the VP position much like the Wrestling federations out there throw women in PVC bikinis at events. She is a pretty face you can hide the total cuntery of the republicans behind to try and look like you're going to change shit. Personally, I would've said the exact same thing for a couple of reasons: 1) the "polish a turd" angle is true, 2) McCain already said it about Hillary and got away with it scot-free, and 3) it's quite plain she is ultimately a pig with a nice face.

[Block]

I don't get how anyone who has the language comprehension of someone who managed to get out of middle school could take this to mean anything but that McCain's policies are the same as Bush's with just a little window dressing. You can sit there and watch it over and over again attempting to pull subtext out, but it's just not there. That this became an something even up for discussion shows the failure of our educational system.

[Metatwaddle]

The truth is that it probably is sexist to some extent; it's a perfectly valid criticism of the republicans to point out they threw a frustrated librarian into the VP position much like the Wrestling federations out there throw women in PVC bikinis at events. She is a pretty face you can hide the total cuntery of the republicans behind to try and look like you're going to change shit.

Yeah, it's a valid criticism of the Republicans. But the actual comment didn't mention Palin by name or in any other fashion. The context was this:

Let's just list this for a second. John McCain says he's about change, too. Except -- and so I guess his whole angle is, "Watch out, George Bush, except for economic policy, health-care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove-style politics. We're really gonna shake things up in Washington." That's not change. That's just calling some -- the same thing, something different. But you know, you can -- you know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig."

Obama wasn't even referring to Palin in any way - he was simply accusing McCain of trying to make his Bushlike economic policies look like change.

[Rye]

While it's true he didn't mention her, it is also true that he knows that she's easily the most talked about issue in american media at the moment and he also must've known this response was coming. He must've also known that McCain using the same statement against Hillary before was likely a nod-nod wink-wink sexist insult with the protection of the actual context.

[Block]

While it's true he didn't mention her, it is also true that he knows that she's easily the most talked about issue in american media at the moment and he also must've known this response was coming. He must've also known that McCain using the same statement against Hillary before was likely a nod-nod wink-wink sexist insult with the protection of the actual context.

So you're saying that even though the context and content both had nothing to do with Palin, by using a very common phrase for exactly the type of thing he was talking about, he was actually taking a shot at her. I think you're really reading too much into an innocent statement.

[Durandal]

There's a word missing from your title.

At any rate, its a common expression, and while you shouldn't get worked up over it, I don't think it was that smart for Obama to use it. I remember when McCain used it about one of Hillary's ideas, I didn't think it went well.

So accusing Obama of being sexist because of this comment (which is clearly insane) is another example of a "moral choice" that you would agree with McCain on then?

EDIT: And by the way, let's not ignore the timing of this smear from McCain's camp. Obama said that he'd refrain from issuing a response until after the 9/11 anniversary, which leaves a full day for this bullshit to sink into people's heads without a response. In other words, McCain was counting on Obama running a respectable campaign and took advantage of it.

Scumbag.

[Imperial Overlord]

Scumbag.

Not surprising. I mean what is McCain's moral record?

Cheating on his first wife and leaving her in the hospital.

Being one of the Keating Five and partially responsible for the Savings and Loan fiasco in the 80s, for which the taxpayers shelled out over 100 billion dollars for.

Being cozy with lobbyists while decrying the influence of money on election campaigns.

Continuing to support deregulation which helped lead us to our current wave of collapses.

Violating the spirit and possibly the letter of the election law he helped put through by selectively being in and out of public financing at different times.

Either lying about or being ignorant of how the war is being conducted in Iraq while pushing for the continuation of the war and it's possible expansion.

His short fuse and impulsive nature, meaning he is likely to make rash and potentially extremely harmful decisions when in office.

His embrace of anti-choice and religious fundi groups.

His continuation of disasterous Republican budgeting policies.

Pretending to be against torture while voting to allow it.

His choice of an inexperience, vindictive, financially incompetent, religious hardliner under investigation for corruption as his VP who may also be a racist.

Pretending to desire a clean campaign while his campaign slings mud at Obama, including dog whistle adds and tv spots that attempt to paint him as a paedophile.

What kind of moral exemplar is that?

[Themightytom]

Will they stop at nothing? He apparently made the comment in reference to change because he even said another analogy afterwards about wrapping fish in new newspaper

Egad! Obama followed up by comparing Sarah Palin's to a fish wrapped in newspaper? Thats it I'm buying a guy, burning an abortion clinic down and kicking a muslim in the shins in response to 911 after that I'll vote for the jackass who keeps generating negative press about his own VP.

[Ender]

When O'Rielly and Buchanan are calling it bullshit, you know it is manufactured bullshit.

[Pulp Hero]

Papa Bear called it BS? Haha. Where can I find that.

[Durandal]

Not surprising. I mean what is McCain's moral record?

Cheating on his first wife and leaving her in the hospital.

Being one of the Keating Five and partially responsible for the Savings and Loan fiasco in the 80s, for which the taxpayers shelled out over 100 billion dollars for.

Being cozy with lobbyists while decrying the influence of money on election campaigns.

Continuing to support deregulation which helped lead us to our current wave of collapses.

Violating the spirit and possibly the letter of the election law he helped put through by selectively being in and out of public financing at different times.

Either lying about or being ignorant of how the war is being conducted in Iraq while pushing for the continuation of the war and it's possible expansion.

His short fuse and impulsive nature, meaning he is likely to make rash and potentially extremely harmful decisions when in office.

His embrace of anti-choice and religious fundi groups.

His continuation of disasterous Republican budgeting policies.

Pretending to be against torture while voting to allow it.

His choice of an inexperience, vindictive, financially incompetent, religious hardliner under investigation for corruption as his VP who may also be a racist.

Pretending to desire a clean campaign while his campaign slings mud at Obama, including dog whistle adds and tv spots that attempt to paint him as a paedophile.

What kind of moral exemplar is that?

Apparently CaptainChewbacca is voting for him, at least in part, because of his moral compass. I'm sure he can find a justification for every item on your list though.

[Imperial Overlord]

Apparently CaptainChewbacca is voting for him, at least in part, because of his moral compass. I'm sure he can find a justification for every item on your list though.

Well, since McCain's campaign chief said this election isn't about issues, Chewie can take that to heart, ignore the facts, and pull the lever for the guy who gives him the warm fuzzies instead of the guy who has a more substantive and reasonable plan to run the country well. Because performance in office is an issue.

Thank Chernobog that Chewie lives in Cali and not a swing state.

[CmdrWilkens]

Oddly enough listening to the radio this morning McCain, in no great suprise, used the EXACt same phrase to describe some of Hillary Clinton's polciies during the primary and Cheney used the quote to describe Kerry. I will see if I can grab the source but the quote is something I've heard many a times before so I rather suspect its a common phrase.

[SirNitram]

Oddly enough listening to the radio this morning McCain, in no great suprise, used the EXACt same phrase to describe some of Hillary Clinton's polciies during the primary and Cheney used the quote to describe Kerry. I will see if I can grab the source but the quote is something I've heard many a times before so I rather suspect its a common phrase.

Hell, in 2003 it was in comedic poster form in the office I worked for gathering CDC health data, in the cube of the guy who had to maintain the computers. 'You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig' is a very old phrase.