ROHRABACHER: After 9/11, we established different operations because we needed to do it, because we knew at that time there were people who were willing to kill tens of thousands of other human beings because they hate our way of life. Now, we’re only talking about the question at hand — we’ve looked at your report — we’re talking about a minuscule number of people here as compared to the number of people who are being protected. And does that mean — and of the minuscule number of people, 100, 200 people who are being held in this way, how many of those have been mistreated? How many of those have actually suffered the type of unfair treatment because they themselves really aren’t members of al Qaeda and they were just, their name was mistaken. For example, I know in one or two cases you have a man whose name was exactly the same name as a Muslim that was involved in al Qaeda. To the degree there are a few of those cases, we should do our best to make sure those cases don’t exist, try to find a system to root them out.
But, here’s the other shoe dropping, we are at war, and we’ve got to make sure that we do not let go 50 terrorists who will go out and plant a bomb in London and kill 20,000 people in order to protect that one person who we arrested accidentally because his name was the same. That’s the type of unfortunate consequence.
[Audience groans.]
Well, I hope it’s your families, I hope it’s your families that suffer the consequences. Mr. Chairman, I will be very happy to talk to everybody afterwards if you want to talk to me, but in terms of the hearing, I’d like to make my points without having it animated. One person — if we let, if in order to protect the rights of one or two people, or five people or ten people, who are mistakenly abducted because their names were the same or because they went to a mosque that they didn’t know this thing was going on in the back room, if 10 of those people suffer those consequences, but in order for us to take 90 other people off the street who are intent and involved in plans that would slaughter tens of thousands of our citizens, I’m afraid that’s the price we pay in a real world. And the United States, we’re not ghouls. We’re not, we don’t, we’re not, we don’t want to torture somebody because he has a bad name. We want to get information from somebody that we think might want to kill our children and kill your children. And if you doubt our motives, you’re welcome to, I know there’s a lot of people who hate America, but when the pressure’s on, quite frankly, we have known all along that at times America has to go it alone, and people will try to find fault with us rather than trying to at least understand our morality.
I suppose someone should add (R- CA) to the senator's name, although that should be obvious anyway. And what the fuck kind of first name is "Dana" for a guy, anyway?
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Darth Wong wrote:I suppose someone should add (R- CA) to the senator's name, although that should be obvious anyway. And what the fuck kind of first name is "Dana" for a guy, anyway?
Because he'd never have gotten elected using his real name: Zool.
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Darth Wong wrote:I suppose someone should add (R- CA) to the senator's name, although that should be obvious anyway. And what the fuck kind of first name is "Dana" for a guy, anyway?
Because he'd never have gotten elected using his real name: Zool.
Technichally, it's Zuul.
Great, more Republican bullshit and from my own state...
I suppose someone should add (R- CA) to the senator's name,
Representative, not senator.
No. The R infront of his name means Republican not representative.
True, but he's a Congressman, not a Senator.
A more accurate way to put it would be Congressman Blowhard Asshole, R-CA (whatever district he represents)
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No. The R infront of his name means Republican not representative.
True, but he's a Congressman, not a Senator.
A more accurate way to put it would be Congressman Blowhard Asshole, R-CA (whatever district he represents)
Darth Wong wrote:I suppose someone should add (R- CA) to the senator's name, although that should be obvious anyway. And what the fuck kind of first name is "Dana" for a guy, anyway?
Because he'd never have gotten elected using his real name: Zool.
Technichally, it's Zuul.
Great, more Republican bullshit and from my own state...
Wow, there used to be a saying here, 'A West Virginia Democrat is about as liberal as a Californian Republican is conservative.' I guess it's obsolete...
Darth Wong wrote:I suppose someone should add (R- CA) to the senator's name, although that should be obvious anyway. And what the fuck kind of first name is "Dana" for a guy, anyway?
OT - I know a male manager that is named Stacey. It took some getting use to...
This asshole spits in the face of the very reason of why we have the Bill of Rights. This is nothing new though certain members of the government will continue to use fear as a motivator because it gets them great results.
Darth Wong wrote: And what the fuck kind of first name is "Dana" for a guy, anyway?
Celtic. I know (to varying degrees, including one good friend) three males with the name "Dana".
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Patrick Degan wrote:
Because he'd never have gotten elected using his real name: Zool.
Technichally, it's Zuul.
Great, more Republican bullshit and from my own state...
Wow, there used to be a saying here, 'A West Virginia Democrat is about as liberal as a Californian Republican is conservative.' I guess it's obsolete...
Around here it's 'Welcome to Indiana, where even the 'Hoosier Democrats' act like Republicans, and real Democrats are suspects.
To make your saying still apply, you'd have to change 'California Republican' to 'New England Republican' or 'Rockefeller Republican'.
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that we do not let go 50 terrorists who will go out and plant a bomb in London and kill 20,000 people
The last 4 terrorists killed, if I'm right, less than one hundred. A tragedy for London and for Britain but not the loss of 20,000 people's lives as he is implying.
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It's really not that surprising that there's a Republican, even a conservative congressman from California. There's a lot of rural land in the West; well over half the land area of Oregon is represented by one congressman and includes counties with a population density of less than 1 person per square mile.
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This guy is such a shitlicker that I feel compelled to e-mail him -- no, snail mail him a letter expressing the aforementioned statement in great detail. Fucking asshole. I would gladly pay postage to mail him my dog's shit. I couldn't get in trouble for that, could I? It's not a lethal material.
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Glocksman wrote:Around here it's 'Welcome to Indiana, where even the 'Hoosier Democrats' act like Republicans, and real Democrats are suspects.
To make your saying still apply, you'd have to change 'California Republican' to 'New England Republican' or 'Rockefeller Republican'.
Rockefeller Republican, yes it appears in West Virginia we're stuck in the 50's, the Democrats are Conservatives and the Republicans are Liberals. I have a new saying, 'Welcome to West Virginia, it's 20XX, but politically it's 1950.'
"[Rohrabacher] says the Taliban are devout traditionalists—not terrorists or revolutionaries. He believes a Taliban takeover [of Afghanistan] would be a positive development."
—Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November/December 1996 issue
Federal documents reviewed by the Weekly show that Rohrabacher maintained a cordial, behind-the-scenes relationship with Osama bin Laden’s associates in the Middle East—even while he mouthed his most severe anti-Taliban comments at public forums across the U.S. There’s worse: despite the federal Logan Act ban on unauthorized individual attempts to conduct American foreign policy, the congressman dangerously acted as a self-appointed secretary of state, constructing what foreign-affairs experts call a "dual tract" policy with the Taliban.
A veteran U.S. foreign-policy expert told the Weekly, "If Dana’s right-wing fans knew the truth about his actual, working relationship with the Taliban and its representatives in the Middle East and in the United States, they wouldn’t be so happy."
[...]
A November/December 1996 article in Washington Report on Middle East Affairs reported, "The potential rise of power of the Taliban does not alarm Rohrabacher" because the congressman believes the "Taliban could provide stability in an area where chaos was creating a real threat to the U.S." Later in the article, Rohrabacher claimed that:
Taliban leaders are "not terrorists or revolutionaries."
Media reports documenting the Taliban’s harsh, radical beliefs were "nonsense."
The Taliban would develop a "disciplined, moral society" that did not harbor terrorists.
The Taliban posed no threat to the U.S.
[...]
Evidence of Rohrabacher’s attempts to conduct his own foreign policy became public on April 10, 2001, not in the U.S., but in the Middle East. On that day, ignoring his own lack of official authority, Rohrabacher opened negotiations with the Taliban at the Sheraton Hotel in Doha, Qatar, ostensibly for a "Free Markets and Democracy" conference. There, Rohrabacher secretly met with Taliban Foreign Minister Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil, an advisor to Mullah Omar. Diplomatic sources claim Muttawakil sought the congressman’s assistance in increasing U.S. aid—already more than $100 million annually—to Afghanistan and indicated that the Taliban would not hand over bin Laden, wanted by the Clinton administration for the fatal bombings of two American embassies in Africa and the USS Cole. For his part, Rohrabacher handed Muttawakil his unsolicited plans for war-torn Afghanistan. "We examined a peace plan," he laconically told reporters in Qatar.
[...]
After Taliban-related terrorists attacked the U.S. last September, Rohrabacher associates worked hard to downplay the Qatar meeting. Republican strategist Grover Norquist told a reporter that the congressman had accidentally encountered the Taliban official in a hotel hallway.
I'm glad i don't visit those hearings. I would have told him in his face up on live TV that he is nothing but a fucking genetically-deformed sewer-water drinking piece of shit. I would say it loud enough so everyone and the recording machines would record it.
You wanna set an example Garak....Use him, Let him Die!!
Glocksman wrote:Around here it's 'Welcome to Indiana, where even the 'Hoosier Democrats' act like Republicans, and real Democrats are suspects.
To make your saying still apply, you'd have to change 'California Republican' to 'New England Republican' or 'Rockefeller Republican'.
Rockefeller Republican, yes it appears in West Virginia we're stuck in the 50's, the Democrats are Conservatives and the Republicans are Liberals. I have a new saying, 'Welcome to West Virginia, it's 20XX, but politically it's 1950.'
Hey! Our Rockefeller is a Democrat, dammit!
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