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History repeats itself. That’s bad news for the 2020s

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What will happen in the 2020s? If history is any guide (and there’s good reason to think it is), the outlook isn’t great.

Here are some big-picture predictions: stagnant real wages, faltering standard of living for the lower and middle classes, worsening wealth inequality, more riots and uprisings, ongoing political polarisation, more elites competing for limited positions of power, and elites co-opting radical movements.

Thanks to globalisation, all this won’t just happen in one country but in the majority of countries in the world. We will also see geopolitical realignment, dividing the world into new alliances and blocs.

There is also a low to moderate chance of a “trigger event” – a shock like an environmental crisis, plague, or economic meltdown – that will kick off a period of extreme violence. And there is a much lower chance we will see a technological breakthrough on par with the industrial revolution that can ease the pressure in the 2020s and reverse the trends above.

These aren’t just guesses. They are predictions made with the tools of cliodynamics, which uses dozens of case studies of civilisations over the past 5,000 years to look for mathematical patterns in human history.

Cycles of growth and decline

One area where cliodynamics has borne fruit is “demographic-structural theory”, which explains common cycles of prosperity and decline.

Here’s an example of a full cycle, taken from Roman history. After the second Punic war in 201 BCE, the Roman republic enjoyed a period of extreme growth and prosperity. There was a relatively small divide between the richest and poorest, and fewer members of elites.

As the population grew, smallholders had to sell off their farms. Land coalesced into larger plantations run by elites mostly with slave labour. Elite numbers ballooned, wealth inequality became extreme, the common people felt pinched, and numerous wealthy people found themselves shut out of power.

The rich resisted calls for land reform, and eventually the elites split into two factions called the Optimates and the Populares. The following century involved slave revolts and two massive civil wars.

Stability only returned when Augustus defeated all other rivals in 30 BCE – and ended the republic, making himself emperor. So began a new cycle of growth.

Booms and busts

Demographic-structural theory looks at things like the economic and political strength of the state, the ages and wages of the population, and the size and wealth of the elite to diagnose a society’s health – and work out where it’s heading.

Historically, some things we see today are bad signs: shrinking real wages, a growing gap between the richest and the poorest, rising numbers of wealthy and influential people who are becoming more competitive and factionalised.

Another bad sign is if previous generations witnessed periods of growth and plenty. It might mean that your society is about to hit a wall – unless a great deal of innovation and good policy relieves the pressure once again.

The modern global system has experienced a period of growth unprecedented in human history since 1945, often referred to as the “Great Acceleration”. Yet in country after country today, we see stagnant wages, rising inequality, and wealthy elites jousting for control.

Historically, periods of strain and “elite overpopulation” are followed by a crisis (environmental or economic), which is in turn followed by years of sociopolitical instability and violence.

Elite competition makes crises worse

Factional warring after a disaster in a top-heavy society makes things much worse. It can keep the population low for decades after the initial catastrophe, and may only end when elites are exhausted or killed off.

This underlying cycle fed the Wars of the Roses between the Lancastrians and Yorkists in 15th century England, the struggle between the Optimates and Populares in the Roman Republic, and countless other conflicts in history.

In a period of growth and expansion these dynastic, political, and religious animosities would be less pronounced – as there is more of everything to go around – but in a period of decline they become incendiary.

In different regions and time periods, the factions vary widely, but the ideological merits or faults of any particular faction have literally no bearing on the pattern.

We always massacre each other on the downward side of a cycle. Remember that fact as we embark on the pattern again in the 2020s, and you find yourself becoming blindingly angry while watching the news or reading what someone said on Twitter.

A connected world

Because the world’s societies and economies are more unified than ever before, the increasing political division we see in Australia or the United States also manifests itself around the world.

Violence between the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Trinamool Congress in Bengal, political polarisation in Brazil following the election of Jair Bolsonaro, and less public conflicts within China’s ruling party are all part of a global trend.

Trigger events

We can expect this decline to continue steadily in the next decade, unless a trigger event kicks off a crisis and a long period – perhaps decades – of extreme violence.

Here’s a dramatic historical example: in the 12th century, Europe’s population was growing and living standards were rising. The late 13th century ushered in a period of strain. Then the Great Famine of 1315–17 set off a time of strife and increasing violence. Next came an even bigger disaster, the Black Death of 1347–51.

After these two trigger events, elites fighting over the wreckage led to a century of slaughter across Europe.

From my own studies, these “depression phases” kill an average of 20% of the population. On a global scale, today, that would mean 1.6 to 1.7 billion people dead.

There is, of course, only a low to moderate probability that such a trigger event will occur in the 2020s. It may happen decades later. But the kindling for such a conflagration is already being laid.
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Goodness, not cliodynamaic nonsense again.

1) Societies aren't organisms.

2) nothing after the industrial age compares well to the pre-industrial age

3) overfitting the past to fit a pattern doesn't create reliable predictions of the future.
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And yet what's happening now in the US looks eerily similar to what happened in Germany in the 1930s...
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Coop D'etat wrote: 2020-03-03 10:20pm Goodness, not cliodynamaic nonsense again.

1) Societies aren't organisms.

2) nothing after the industrial age compares well to the pre-industrial age

3) overfitting the past to fit a pattern doesn't create reliable predictions of the future.
Perhaps I should stop posting at night. I seem to be more anxious/stupid at night. :?
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SolarpunkFan wrote: 2020-03-04 11:29am
Coop D'etat wrote: 2020-03-03 10:20pm Goodness, not cliodynamaic nonsense again.

1) Societies aren't organisms.

2) nothing after the industrial age compares well to the pre-industrial age

3) overfitting the past to fit a pattern doesn't create reliable predictions of the future.
Perhaps I should stop posting at night. I seem to be more anxious/stupid at night. :?
Its an interesting thing to talk about, so don't feel bad about posting. The idea to do this kind of thing seems to arise independently with some frequency, likely because it appeals to human tendency to find patterns in information, even when one doesn't exist.

Look at Batman higher up in the thread. The parallels between Trumpism and Nazism aren't very strong beyond the family resemblance that most right-wing authoritarian politics have. The more relevant comparable are America's long history of race-based authoritarianism, or modern populist movements against the post-Cold War status quo. But WW2 is most people's go to historical reference point so a lazy comparison gets made regardless of its merits. Its as bad as trope of comparing every foreign policy moment to Munich. Bush the second had some Hitler parallels that people liked to harp on 17 years ago, but he was very much a different bad thing from the Nazis and the comparison didn't really help thinking on the matter.
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Coop D'etat wrote: 2020-03-03 10:20pm Goodness, not cliodynamaic nonsense again.

1) Societies aren't organisms.
This is something I'd like to question. We've seen again and again over history that societies are born, grow, evolve, and eventually die either to outside context problems or to their own decadence and self-collapse. Then, something new rises in its place. Why are they not organic, if not organisms to a certain point of view?

Because they're created by humans? Humans, who are so brilliant when solitary or in small groups, but can suffer from "mob mentality" and become dangerously violent when in large groups undergoing stress? What are societies but large mobs of humans?
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LadyTevar wrote: 2020-03-04 03:31pm
Coop D'etat wrote: 2020-03-03 10:20pm Goodness, not cliodynamaic nonsense again.

1) Societies aren't organisms.
This is something I'd like to question. We've seen again and again over history that societies are born, grow, evolve, and eventually die either to outside context problems or to their own decadence and self-collapse. Then, something new rises in its place. Why are they not organic, if not organisms to a certain point of view?

Because they're created by humans? Humans, who are so brilliant when solitary or in small groups, but can suffer from "mob mentality" and become dangerously violent when in large groups undergoing stress? What are societies but large mobs of humans?
Because birth, growth, decline, death isn't the only pattern a society can go through. They can steady state for a long period and suddenly explode or implode. Or expand, contract, expand then contract again. They aren't an organism with a defined and regular life cycle, they're a nexus of social bonds that obeys different rules such that the analogy to a living thing is fairly misleading and not a good frame work to understand their behaviour.
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Coop D'etat wrote: 2020-03-03 10:20pm Goodness, not cliodynamaic nonsense again.
As good students/historians of Sci-Fi we know the proper term is psychohistory!
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