The 2016 US Election (Part III)

[Gaidin]

Don't get me wrong. I dont' mean broke the Democrats. I mean brought the house down.

[The Romulan Republic]

Don't get me wrong. I dont' mean broke the Democrats. I mean brought the house down.

Ah, I see.

I don't think it did either, really.

It was a serviceable speech, but not the strongest or most memorable of the night.

[Knife]

Did Warren just break the DNC?

Hers', I think, was always going to be a somewhat divisive speech.

The contrast of the two sides on economics was solid, and she sure didn't hold back on going after Trump, but I don't think it moved people in the way that Michelle Obama or Bernie Sanders or Corey Booker did.

He meant it the other way, as in 'drop the mic' because she just broke all records in awesomeness in the DNC.

But to you, I think her speech was better than Booker's, probably better than FLOTUS though her speech was well done (she must of stole it from Mrs. Trump).

[Alyrium Denryle]

Eh. I suppose given the sorry state of history education in this country it doesn't matter much on balance, but I wasn't suggesting mentioning Dredd Scott; simply calling CItizens United a bad, terrible, subpar, malodorous, or what have you instead of "the worst" would have gotten the point across without dredging up the early history of this country by inviting comparison. For the same reason I always insist that Buchanan trumps whenever someone starts talking about a recent President as the worst one we've ever had.

Which always makes me mad. Our first gay president was such a colossal fuck-up.

[Flagg]

Lincon was a fuck up?

[Ralin]

Lincon was a fuck up?

There's apparently a lot of circumstantial evidence indicating that James Buchanan was gay, and there were rumors even at the time.

Interestingly enough, the US really did nearly fall apart after he was elected. Maybe the Christians are onto something!

[Alyrium Denryle]

Lincon was a fuck up?

No, but his predecessor James Buchanan was as queer is a three dollar bill and he absolutely was the biggest fuck-up president on record.

In a letter to Cornelia Roosevelt after William Rufus King (his longtime "roommate") was posted to Paris:

"I am now 'solitary and alone', having no companion in the house with me. I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them. I feel that it is not good for man to be alone, and should not be astonished to find myself married to some old maid who can nurse me when I am sick, provide good dinners for me when I am well, and not expect from me any very ardent or romantic affection."

[Thanas]

Lincon was a fuck up?

He was apparently bisexual and outside any defined sexuality.

[Flagg]

I knew about Honest Abe but had no idea about Buchanan.

[The Romulan Republic]

They'll be doing the role call vote shortly, officially confirming Clinton as the winner of the Democratic primary.

[maraxus2]

Roll Call is underway. Looks like we're gonna find out how the Superdelegates are gonna vote.

[The Romulan Republic]

Bernie has been working to bring 'round the Bernie or Bust people:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el ... ou-n617186

PHILADELPHIA -- The Bernie or Bust movement appears to have been busted by Bernie.

After Sanders and Elizabeth Warren each gave Hillary Clinton full-throated endorsements at the DNC Monday night, Sanders delegates' desire to disrupt the convention seems to be losing steam after roiling the opening day. But all eyes will be on a potentially contentious roll call vote that with formally nominate Clinton Tuesday evening.

As if making up for lost time, Sanders crisscrossed a sprawling hotel and convention center complex downtown to take the message from his speech directly to individual state delegations.

From New York to Wisconsin to Iowa to California to Florida to Montana to Alaska, his message to the delegates was the same: The only way for his supporters to continue what they started is to elect Clinton and stop Donald Trump.

The delegation from California, which has been the source of the most vocal protests, jeered, but Sanders fired back without hesitation.

"It's easy to boo. But it is harder to look your kids in the face who will be living under a Donald Trump presidency," Sanders said told his supporters.

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But perhaps even more notable was how little pushback Sanders got from the other delegations.

His endorsement of Clinton passed without so much as a cough at the Wisconsin delegation's breakfast.

"They had a night to sleep on it," said Dorothy Krause, a Sanders delegate from the state. "The Bernie people are beginning to gain a greater understanding that the platform they helped create will carry in to Hillary's platform. That the work they did maters."

Democrats are taking solace in the fact that most of the opposition to Clinton among the delegates has come from states that won't be in play in November.

Wisconsin Rep. Mike Pocan said his state's experience as a battleground and its Republican governor have made the Democratic Party more unified. "There are no wings," Pocan said, "there's just like one big missile when it comes to Scott Walker."

Officials from Sanders' and Clinton's campaigns were in talks Tuesday to have Vermont, Sanders' home state where he controls all the delegates, to vote last and move to nominate Clinton by acclimation. The move would have the effect of both giving all of Sanders' supporters a chance to vote for him while also officially nominating Clinton unanimously.

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"Obviously, there's going to be a boisterous response, but I'm not worried because of what you saw last night," said Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a Clinton supporter who plans to jointly announce her state's vote with Rep. Keith Ellison, a Sanders backer.

Meanwhile, Sanders warned his supporters against supporting third parties in November.

"They're focusing on very, very important issues," Sanders said when asked about Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee, at a breakfast sponsored by Bloomberg Politics. "But I think right now -- what is it, three, four months before an election -- you're going to end up having a choice. Either Hillary Clinton is going to become president, or Donald Trump."

And the group that has created the most robust infrastructure to support protests on the convention floor seemed to be floundering after Sanders' speech backing Clinton.

The Bernie Delegate Network had wanted to fight the nomination of Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine for vice president, but struggled to find a candidate willing to be considered for the job.

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At a press conference Tuesday, they announced they found a candidate. The only problem: They refused to reveal the name because, they claimed, the Democratic National Committee had conspired to prevent them from acquiring the forms needed to nominate the person.

"I think it won't be revealed to history for many years," said Norman Solomon, the California delegate who founded the network, who later said he would try to get the person to reveal themselves later in the day.

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"Yes, there's a real person," he insisted, revealing only that it was not an elected official.

And he acknowledged that a survey of Sanders delegates showing major interest in protesting Kaine's nomination speech is not necessarily representative of Sanders' nearly 1,900 delegates, since responses were voluntary.

They would not survey delegates on whether Sanders' should be heeded, he added.

"It's easy to boo. But it is harder to look your kids in the face who will be living under a Donald Trump presidency"

Well said.

[The Romulan Republic]

Roll call is in progress.

[The Romulan Republic]

Democrats Abroad just cast their votes- 7 for Clinton and 10 for Sanders. So that's my vote counted.

Democrats Abroad was accompanied by a moving speech from Bernie's brother (who apparently lives in England).

[The Romulan Republic]

From the bits of the roll call I've watched, the tone of the crowd seems quite positive. Hopefully not a lot of Buster disruption.

[Terralthra]

There has been substantial cheering for both Sen. Sanders and Sec. Clinton vote announcements. Zero boos that I can hear.

[Thanas]

This is a much better show than the GOP joke.

[The Romulan Republic]

South Dakota clinches it. Clinton is now officially the Democratic nominee, and the first female nominee for a major party.

Rest in peace 2016 primary.

The general election is well and truly under way.

[Thanas]

Wait, Vermont passed? Why?

[Thanas]

Ah I see why. Nice move.

[The Romulan Republic]

Yes.

Bernie stood up at the end of the role call to move that the rules be suspended and Clinton declared the nominee by acclamation.

Any objections any of the Bernie or Bust crowd had were throughly drown out by the applause of the crowd.

[Thanas]

Damn that virginia governor is tearing Trump a new one.

[The Romulan Republic]

I felt that, while obviously coincidental, Bernie's final delegate tally of 1865 had some nice symbolism to it. 1865 being the year that the Civil War ended and slavery was abolished.

[Dalton]

Damn that virginia governor is tearing Trump a new one.

Damn, MSNBC cut back to talking heads when he was speaking.

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IMPORTANT NOTE TO ADD: The way Bernie Sanders phrased his request means that the official roll call vote of the DNC will be reflected in the records (i.e. not unanimous), so technically it wasn't by acclamation.

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In other news, SDNetter Losonti Tokash was with the Nebraska delegation.

[Mr Bean]

So I'm hearing Bernie Delegate walkout on my social media not seeing any stories so minor thing or invented thing?