Southern cop pulls over Obama bus on trumped-up charges.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Man, I love it when people go on about how it's bad to use stereotypes and then go ahead and use them. Remember, it's not a stereotype if you can statistically justify it, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

Oh, Dutchess, if I knew who Amy was I might give a shit. No, that's a lie, I probably still wouldn't give a shit. And fuck you back.

Mayabird, you useless little dipfuck. You know, the young lady whom I lived with in Atlanta and Commerce Georgia for parts of last year, and then moved up here to room with me. Whose middle and last names are now legally mine as well.

[Mr. Coffee]

Yeah, because I'm on a first name basis with every mothefucker on the board, you self-important bitch.

[Mr. Coffee]

Is it always wrong to point out real social problems in a geographical area? Just because hyper-sensitive jack-asses who live there might get their widdle feelings hurt? The first step to solving a problem is admitting it's a problem.

Therew's nothing wrong with pointing out a problem, Mike. If you'd shut off your ginormous fucking ego for a second you might notice that. My problem isn';t with people pointing out that the south has a disproportionate number of racist assholes. My problem is the attitude of "oh, well, it's the south, rednecks will be rednecks" that YOU and others have. It's ever bit as fucking ignorant as saying "Huh, someone got shot in South Central LA... Oh, well, innercity negros will be innercity negros", but if I was to say that I'd be called a racist, or at the very least get called out for being a bigot. You want to point out problems, then point out problems.

If you can't understand what I'm trying to say this time, then fuck it, I'm done trying to explain it to you.

[Darth Wong]

In other words, it's not actually what I say, which you know to be factually based; it's just the way I say it, which you perceive as "attitude".

I guess I'd better be extra sensitive to your oh-so-precious feelings in future, little lady.

[Mr. Coffee]

Mike, you know as well as I do that if anyone started tossing out stereotypes about Chinese people you'd shit a solid gold cat and reach for the fucking ban hammer. You'd do it even if they were to bring out evidence that supports the stereotype used. But what I'm seeing is, as long as the stereotype is about a group you have a reason not to like, it's perfectly fine to use it. That's a fucking double standard and if you can't see it then that's your fucking problem.

And you don't have to say it, Mike. You're support it and that's enough for me.

[Darth Wong]

Mike, you know as well as I do that if anyone started tossing out stereotypes about Chinese people you'd shit a solid gold cat and reach for the fucking ban hammer.

What part of "this is more than a mere stereotype" do you not understand, exactly? You keep waffling between "I understand that it's a real problem" and "it's not a real problem, it's just a stereotype". Make up your fucking mind; it seems like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too, by simultaneously denying the facts and pretending that you're being reasonable enough to accept the facts.

You'd do it even if they were to bring out evidence that supports the stereotype used. But what I'm seeing is, as long as the stereotype is about a group you have a reason not to like, it's perfectly fine to use it. That's a fucking double standard and if you can't see it then that's your fucking problem.

Again, what part of "this is not just a stereotype" do you not understand? Actual evidence has been presented that this is a real and serious social problem, not just a fucking stereotype.

BTW, if you can't understand the difference between characterizing a region and characterizing a race, that makes you a racist. If you were to say something about Chinese people who happen to live in a particular area of China (like "people in this remote province are backward" or "mainland Chinese people smoke way too many cigarettes"), that might be totally valid, because regions tend to have distinct cultures. Saying something about all people of Chinese descent, regardless of where they live, is pure racism.

And you don't have to say it, Mike. You're support it and that's enough for me.

I support the statement that the South is racist. The fact that you read stupid shit like "every single person living there must therefore be racist" into it is just your inability to employ basic logic, and is certainly not my problem.

[Lord Poe]

Really? Then perhaps he could show the evidence upon which he bases that generalization.

Let's back the fuck up. Again. You jumped on Mr. Coffee's ass for allegedly saying you personally said he was a Southern Inbred Racist. I pointed out that was not the case, and you've now steamrolled over that point, and are moving the goalposts. Again. You did, however, call him illiterate for something he didn't do.

After all, the generalization that the South is still quite racist has considerable evidence behind it: Alabama narrowly legalizing interracial marriage in 2001 by a 60/40 margin, the continued presence of segregated universities and fraternities, etc.

A point of no weight whatsoever since Mr.Coffee and I have both acknowledged that fact. His bone of contention is the tendency of the board's general population in throwing that stereotype around whenever anything remotely related to The South comes up.

Where's his evidence that even a single person on this board accuses him personally of being a bigot just because he lives in the South, as opposed to saying that people in the South are more likely to be racist in general?

Amazing. He was G E N E R A L I Z I N G. It's should apparent to most reading this exchange in this thread. It's the exact same thing if I said to the general populace of the board that I'm tired of being thought of as a violent killer because I live in America.

There's a difference between a generalization and the desperate strawman bullshit that Mr. Coffee is pulling.

And there's also a difference between addressing the general attitude of the board when similar subjects come up, and taking personal offense for that generalization, which you were doing two posts back.

Is it always wrong to point out real social problems in a geographical area? Just because hyper-sensitive jack-asses who live there might get their widdle feelings hurt? The first step to solving a problem is admitting it's a problem.

Then I hope the next time an AIDS-related news item comes up about high risk sexual practices gay men engage in in cities like West Hollywood we can have free and open discussion about it without some of the board members being called gay bashers.

[Darth Wong]

Let's back the fuck up. Again. You jumped on Mr. Coffee's ass for allegedly saying you personally said he was a Southern Inbred Racist. I pointed out that was not the case, and you've now steamrolled over that point, and are moving the goalposts. Again. You did, however, call him illiterate for something he didn't do.

Bullshit. Whether he was accusing me personally or the board at large, the fact is that he has not produced any evidence to back up his generalization. Can he provide an example of ANY member of this community saying what he accused "you shitheads" of saying, and assuming that he must personally be a racist because he lives in the South?

After all, the generalization that the South is still quite racist has considerable evidence behind it: Alabama narrowly legalizing interracial marriage in 2001 by a 60/40 margin, the continued presence of segregated universities and fraternities, etc.

A point of no weight whatsoever since Mr.Coffee and I have both acknowledged that fact. His bone of contention is the tendency of the board's general population in throwing that stereotype around whenever anything remotely related to The South comes up.

You acknowledge the fact yet you think it's just a "stereotype". Which is it? Is it a real problem, or is it just a stereotype?

Where's his evidence that even a single person on this board accuses him personally of being a bigot just because he lives in the South, as opposed to saying that people in the South are more likely to be racist in general?

Amazing. He was G E N E R A L I Z I N G. It's should apparent to most reading this exchange in this thread. It's the exact same thing if I said to the general populace of the board that I'm tired of being thought of as a violent killer because I live in America.

Which would be equally retarded if you said that in response to someone saying that America is too violent. If someone says "America is too much in love with guns", do you get all pissed off and say "Hey, I don't personally carry guns around, and I'm tired of you shitheads saying I do?" You're making excuses for his hyper-sensitive habit of reading extra intent into things. And by the way, you can't excuse a completely made-up accusation by simply calling it a generalization. Valid generalizations require evidence.

There's a difference between a generalization and the desperate strawman bullshit that Mr. Coffee is pulling.

And there's also a difference between addressing the general attitude of the board when similar subjects come up, and taking personal offense for that generalization, which you were doing two posts back.

"General attitude?" What evidence is there for this "general attitude" that every single person in the South must conform to the generalizations about the South?

Is it always wrong to point out real social problems in a geographical area? Just because hyper-sensitive jack-asses who live there might get their widdle feelings hurt? The first step to solving a problem is admitting it's a problem.

Then I hope the next time an AIDS-related news item comes up about high risk sexual practices gay men engage in in cities like West Hollywood we can have free and open discussion about it without some of the board members being called gay bashers.

Can you find an example where such a specific community was criticized for its sexual practices and the critic was immediately attacked as a gay basher? Because I've even seen gay members of this board admit freely that some of these bathhouse and park sex activities are horrible.

[Mr. Coffee]

Bullshit. Whether he was accusing me personally or the board at large, the fact is that he has not produced any evidence to back up his generalization. Can he provide an example of ANY member of this community saying what he accused "you shitheads" of saying, and assuming that he must personally be a racist because he lives in the South?

So you're memory's so bad you can't remember the last two times we've had this EXACT same argument, Mike? For fuck's sake, look at the first page of just this thread three idiots saying basically "until I checked the link I thought this was for real because it said it happened in the South", even though the scenario in the article is so completely out of fucking wack with reality it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain and decent reading skills that it was another Onion parody. Or you could always go look up the first thread we had this argument, the one about Alabama Roadtrip episode of Topgear, where we had a bunch of fuckers going on about "hur hur... Southerners Are Dumb... hur hur", and of course you came galloping on in to defend that shit. Yes, there are couple of few people on this board, yourself included (you might not say it, but you sure do go out of your way to defend anyone else that says it), that trot this stereotype out whenever something about the American South is posted.

[Darth Wong]

So you're memory's so bad you can't remember the last two times we've had this EXACT same argument, Mike? For fuck's sake, look at the first page of just this thread three idiots saying basically "until I checked the link I thought this was for real because it said it happened in the South", even though the scenario in the article is so completely out of fucking wack with reality it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain and decent reading skills that it was another Onion parody.

I recall the previous times we've had this argument. You always try to sell the same bullshit, and you're doing it again. Since when does "I could totally believe this happened in the South" mean "every single person in the South is the same?" You always draw the same preposterous leap in logic and then try to defend it by saying that this is obviously the "attitude" beneath the words.

Or you could always go look up the first thread we had this argument, the one about Alabama Roadtrip episode of Topgear, where we had a bunch of fuckers going on about "hur hur... Southerners Are Dumb... hur hur", and of course you came galloping on in to defend that shit. Yes, there are couple of few people on this board, yourself included (you might not say it, but you sure do go out of your way to defend anyone else that says it), that trot this stereotype out whenever something about the American South is posted.

There you go again, saying it's just a "stereotype". The fact is that there is real evidence for this: the South (by which people typically mean the traditional "Deep South") has a lot of real social problems. In addition to serious racial segregation issues, they have the worst obesity problem in the nation, the strongest religious fundamentalist problem in the nation (they don't call themselves the Southern Baptist Convention for nothing), etc. They don't rank well on education either, and Morgan Quitno's "most livable state" award, which is based on crime rate, education, infant mortality, and a lot of other factors, pretty much tells the tale. Look at the bottom 10 scores:

40: Georgia
40: Ohio
42: North Carolina
43: West Virginia
44: Alabama
45: Louisiana
46: Arkansas
46: Tennessee
48: Kentucky
49: South Carolina
50: Mississippi

http://os.cqpress.com/StateRank2008_Rankings.pdf

If you don't like the fact that the South is fucked up, that's too bad. It is fucked up, and no matter how many times you cry that it's just an unfair stereotype, it isn't.

[Molyneux]

For fuck's sake, look at the first page of just this thread three idiots saying basically "until I checked the link I thought this was for real because it said it happened in the South", even though the scenario in the article is so completely out of fucking wack with reality it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain and decent reading skills that it was another Onion parody.

Listen, you festering pile, the sad truth is that there are people on that level of douchbaggery in existence - and quite a few of them exist in the South. Demonstrably more so than in other regions. That doesn't make every Southerner an idiot (though you're making me question that), but it doesn't make it any smarter for you to start whining about how we're bigoted against Southerners for knowing that there ARE jackasses living south of the Mason-Dixon line.