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Wait there's more.
That is the most disgusting piece of 'journalism' I've ever seen. Way to go Bill-O!

"So her frame of reference to history, geography, current events was weak according to your sources ... but she could be tutored - I mean the woman is not a stupid woman - so she could be tutored ... "

What? Where does one begin with this rubbish? First of all, not knowing the basic process of Government, you know the thing she's running to be the NUMBER 2 in charge off, not knowing any kind of history behind a phrase she keeps repeating, not knowing basic fucking geography and FFS not knowing an iota of current events all point to the fact that SHE IS A STUPID WOMAN.

How the HELL could anyone rationalise this in ANY OTHER WAY, when they were attacking Obama's cred on all of these things because to their own standard he lacked experience but give her a fucking free pass on this?

No Bill-O, she is fucking stupid, a fucking stupid piece of shit whose ambition out reached her grasp.

Crash and burn Palin, crash and motherfucking burn.

Someone forward that clip to Olbermann ASAP, I wanna hear him tear Bill-O a new one!
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Oh, don't worry, Keith watches everything Billo says so he can pore through it for "worst person" honors. I'm sure he already knows about it. :D
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yes but does this mean that Bill-O-pad or the State of California count as the worst person in the world this week?
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Well, to inject a little humour back into a discussion of Yukon Barbie, or as Stas Bush tags her, Crazy-Tits, a little New Rules perspective on the most famous dynamic going on within the trailer park soap opera that is the Palin family.

The real fun starts at about 2:25 in the video.

This one's pretty good too.
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Palin: "those guys are jerks!"
BBC wrote:Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has hit back at critics who said she thought Africa was a country not a continent, calling them "jerks".

Anonymous Republican Party aides cited in a Fox News report also said she did not know the three members of the North America Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

Mrs Palin said her comments on Africa and Nafta were taken out of context.

She also said she had not asked for the expensive clothes bought for her failed White House bid with John McCain.

'Cowards'

Mrs Palin said the leaks about Africa and Nafta must have come from Republican campaign aides who helped her prepare for her debate against Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden.

"I think if there are allegations based on questions or comments that I made in debate prep about Nafta or about the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there, then those were taken out of context and that is cruel," she told reporters in her home state of Alaska.

"It's mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional, and those guys are jerks."

She said it was "cowardly" of the sources not to reveal themselves.

She also faced down accusations that she spent huge sums of money on clothes for the campaign.

"I never asked for anything more than a Diet Dr Pepper once in a while."

The Republican National Committee (RNC) spent more than $150,000 (£96,000) on a designer wardrobe and beauty treatments for Mrs Palin after she was chosen as John McCain's running mate.

"Those are the RNC's clothes. They're not my clothes," she said. "I never forced anybody to buy anything."
Three things:
about the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa
The country of Africa? I hope she means South Africa here, which would be a sorta-kinda valid point of confusion.

Secondly, I'm really starting to wonder if the allegations of the Palin "hatchet job" may partially be true, in the sense of some of them being a very convenient GOP attempt to derail her further ambitions. She's shown herself to be a liability and a poor politician during the campaign and got blasted for it; I wonder if these Republican "leaks" could be the GOP's way of finishing her off. I'm not saying the crap she pulled and pulls is not her fault, far from it, but it does seem suspicious that all the dirt on her campaign is surfacing now and from traditional GOP sources.

Thirdly,
"Those are the RNC's clothes. They're not my clothes," she said. "I never forced anybody to buy anything."
Either she's outright lying to cover her ass, or something fishy's going on. Clothes don't just appear out of nowhere, and they certainly don't appear out of nowhere on your husband.

(Three-and-half: "jerks"? "Mean-spirited and cruel"? Seriously? That's how a governor responds to severe allegations?)
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I want to throw this in there: Africa can sometimes be taken to refer to the Central African Republic. I know, it's retarded, it's barely even a country anyone thinks of ever, but I know people who say that since it's in the middle, and it's got Africa in the name, it must be called Africa for short!

I deny any personal involvement with that discussion other than pointing out that Darfur is not a country, and that it is part of Sudan.


So there's two possible countries associated with the name Africa, South Africa which she might have thought of, or CAR. Or she's really that dumb, I don't know.
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Considering that Palin has managed to claw and backstab her way up to getting national political attention, one could make a good argument that she's not actually utterly stupid, as in lacking the raw ability for intelligence. Thing is, she's profoundly ignorant, and more importantly, doesn't give a flying fuck how ignorant she is. If anything, she's proud of knowing neither jack nor shit and doesn't want to learn anything aside from how to get more stuff for herself. And that's quite a bit scarier.

It also would mean, if I'm correct, that she's actually un-tutorable (suck on that, Papa Bear) since you can't exactly teach someone who not only doesn't want to learn, but actively tries to stay ignorant.
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IMO, Palin is in every way a classic example of 'Small Town Syndrome', utterly convinced the small, closed in town is the pinnacle of civilization and to hell with everything on the outside. And she would probably be a Vice President/President the same writ large, pretending the rest of the world didn't exist.
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Sarah Palin offered $2 million to appear in porn film
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has received her first job offer since failing in her bid to become vice-president of the United States, and it comes with a large cash offer. Florida-based porn director Cezar Capone has offered to pay Palin $2 million to appear in an adult film production.

Capone, who calls himself "the king of all MILF films," promises in an open letter on his website that the film would be distributed internationally, shot in high definition, and feature a "beautiful mother recognized by all of America ... as the most desirable woman over 40."

To prove he's serious about the offer, Capone says he's prepared to hold the money in escrow immediately.

To sweeten the deal, Palin's husband Todd has been offered a co-starring role in the production, for which Capone would be "prepared to kick in an extra $100,000," and a new Arctic Cat snowmobile.

Palin hasn't publicly responded to the offer, which was sent to her administration office in Juneau, Alaska on Nov. 6.

Capone has previously released such films as Agent Filthy 0069, High Definition and Sophia Revealed, none of which featured any senior members of the U.S. Republican Party.

Hustler Magazine recently released a spoof Palin porn video titled Nailin' Paylin, which was referenced in a now-infamous YouTube prank call made by Montreal shock jocks the Masked Avengers in the final days of the U.S. election campaign.
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I think I know why is Sarah Palin entering politics. She is entering politics as a popularity contest. After all, an election on the national level is the biggest popularity contest in the US.

She is not entering politics to shape the world, nor the Nation. She is entering politics to be popular. This is the best way to describe her.
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ray245 wrote:I think I know why is Sarah Palin entering politics. She is entering politics as a popularity contest. After all, an election on the national level is the biggest popularity contest in the US.

She is not entering politics to shape the world, nor the Nation. She is entering politics to be popular. This is the best way to describe her.
I disagree. I think she is in politics because she is a bully, and she likes to have a feeling of power over others. She has a history of using the power of her office to punish her enemies; that is classic bully behaviour. They call her "the Barracuda" because her climb to power has been ruthlessly methodical; again, that is bully behaviour. She has a history of cronyism and nepotism, even going so far as to have her husband present at official staff meetings. She misused campaign funds to buy expensive high-fashion clothing for her husband and kids. That's monarchistic behaviour. It's not about popularity; it's about desiring power over others.
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Honestly Ray, that might be the most astute observation you have made on this board to date.

It does hold a lot of appeal. Much of her life has been run like a spoiled high school cheerleader, and the way she acted in the election is similar as well.
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Darth Wong wrote:
ray245 wrote:I think I know why is Sarah Palin entering politics. She is entering politics as a popularity contest. After all, an election on the national level is the biggest popularity contest in the US.

She is not entering politics to shape the world, nor the Nation. She is entering politics to be popular. This is the best way to describe her.
I disagree. I think she is in politics because she is a bully, and she likes to have a feeling of power over others. She has a history of using the power of her office to punish her enemies; that is classic bully behaviour. They call her "the Barracuda" because her climb to power has been ruthlessly methodical; again, that is bully behaviour. She has a history of cronyism and nepotism, even going so far as to have her husband present at official staff meetings. She misused campaign funds to buy expensive high-fashion clothing for her husband and kids. That's monarchistic behaviour. It's not about popularity; it's about desiring power over others.
However Mike, the bully behaviour does have some connection and link towards the desire to be popular. The act of being a bully is often a way for someone to get noticed, and to be popular by being a bully.
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i forgot where I heard it in a petty psych class, but somepeople enter government service out of hero worship/esteem issues, some to changethings for the better and some for the power over others.
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If there's one thing Palin knows (and judging from all that's come out, it may be the only thing), it's people. Whether or not her momentum will be gone be 2012, Palin has come out of this a lot better than any recognised detriment to a failed Presidential campaign should. Even Fox News turning on her has simply led to right wingers denouncing the news station, a situation remarked upon with much mirth here.

Whatever way she has positioned herself, and her political backstabbing acumen seems to be pretty damn good, despite everything, she's emerged from this pretty damn well among her core support. If she can weather the current storm against her by those Republicans who hold her to blame for McCain's showing in the elections and maintain the support of those who support her folksy bullshit, she may have legs on the national scale.

Is she a bully? Definitely. Is this a popularity contest to her? Possibly. I've seen enough Lifetime dramas about cheerleaders and homecomings to know they can be the most evil, political beings of all. :P
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Masami von Weizegger wrote:If there's one thing Palin knows (and judging from all that's come out, it may be the only thing), it's people. Whether or not her momentum will be gone be 2012, Palin has come out of this a lot better than any recognised detriment to a failed Presidential campaign should. Even Fox News turning on her has simply led to right wingers denouncing the news station, a situation remarked upon with much mirth here.

Whatever way she has positioned herself, and her political backstabbing acumen seems to be pretty damn good, despite everything, she's emerged from this pretty damn well among her core support. If she can weather the current storm against her by those Republicans who hold her to blame for McCain's showing in the elections and maintain the support of those who support her folksy bullshit, she may have legs on the national scale.

Is she a bully? Definitely. Is this a popularity contest to her? Possibly. I've seen enough Lifetime dramas about cheerleaders and homecomings to know they can be the most evil, political beings of all. :P
The down side is, short of a coop or a civil war, holding on to extremist and core supporters will not ensure your chance to win the election.
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ray245 wrote:
Masami von Weizegger wrote:If there's one thing Palin knows (and judging from all that's come out, it may be the only thing), it's people. Whether or not her momentum will be gone be 2012, Palin has come out of this a lot better than any recognised detriment to a failed Presidential campaign should. Even Fox News turning on her has simply led to right wingers denouncing the news station, a situation remarked upon with much mirth here.

Whatever way she has positioned herself, and her political backstabbing acumen seems to be pretty damn good, despite everything, she's emerged from this pretty damn well among her core support. If she can weather the current storm against her by those Republicans who hold her to blame for McCain's showing in the elections and maintain the support of those who support her folksy bullshit, she may have legs on the national scale.

Is she a bully? Definitely. Is this a popularity contest to her? Possibly. I've seen enough Lifetime dramas about cheerleaders and homecomings to know they can be the most evil, political beings of all. :P
The down side is, short of a coop or a civil war, holding on to extremist and core supporters will not ensure your chance to win the election.
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Pulp Hero wrote:
ray245 wrote:
Masami von Weizegger wrote:If there's one thing Palin knows (and judging from all that's come out, it may be the only thing), it's people. Whether or not her momentum will be gone be 2012, Palin has come out of this a lot better than any recognised detriment to a failed Presidential campaign should. Even Fox News turning on her has simply led to right wingers denouncing the news station, a situation remarked upon with much mirth here.

Whatever way she has positioned herself, and her political backstabbing acumen seems to be pretty damn good, despite everything, she's emerged from this pretty damn well among her core support. If she can weather the current storm against her by those Republicans who hold her to blame for McCain's showing in the elections and maintain the support of those who support her folksy bullshit, she may have legs on the national scale.

Is she a bully? Definitely. Is this a popularity contest to her? Possibly. I've seen enough Lifetime dramas about cheerleaders and homecomings to know they can be the most evil, political beings of all. :P
The down side is, short of a coop or a civil war, holding on to extremist and core supporters will not ensure your chance to win the election.
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ray245 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
ray245 wrote:I think I know why is Sarah Palin entering politics. She is entering politics as a popularity contest. After all, an election on the national level is the biggest popularity contest in the US.

She is not entering politics to shape the world, nor the Nation. She is entering politics to be popular. This is the best way to describe her.
I disagree. I think she is in politics because she is a bully, and she likes to have a feeling of power over others. She has a history of using the power of her office to punish her enemies; that is classic bully behaviour. They call her "the Barracuda" because her climb to power has been ruthlessly methodical; again, that is bully behaviour. She has a history of cronyism and nepotism, even going so far as to have her husband present at official staff meetings. She misused campaign funds to buy expensive high-fashion clothing for her husband and kids. That's monarchistic behaviour. It's not about popularity; it's about desiring power over others.
However Mike, the bully behaviour does have some connection and link towards the desire to be popular. The act of being a bully is often a way for someone to get noticed, and to be popular by being a bully.
You are just moving the goalposts here.

Being a bully is about exercising power. Domination. A person who enjoys dominating others care not about popularity, in fact would not want said deeds to go known. They want to guide said person and people from point A to Point B, their way.

Provide some proof that a dominator wants to be popular, not show that some popular people enjoying dominating or bullying people.
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However Mike, the bully behaviour does have some connection and link towards the desire to be popular. The act of being a bully is often a way for someone to get noticed, and to be popular by being a bully.
You are just moving the goalposts here.

Being a bully is about exercising power. Domination. A person who enjoys dominating others care not about popularity, in fact would not want said deeds to go known. They want to guide said person and people from point A to Point B, their way.

Provide some proof that a dominator wants to be popular, not show that some popular people enjoying dominating or bullying people.
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CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Previous research says the boys who bully most in grade school are often on the social fringe. In sixth grade, the first year of middle school, however, bullying apparently becomes popular, says Dorothy Espelage, a University of Illinois professor.

In a survey conducted at an Illinois middle school, Espelage found a "very strong" correlation between popularity and bullying among sixth-grade boys.

"Those kids that were nominated as those that were doing the most teasing and bullying were also the kids that were being nominated as the most popular and having the most friends in the school," she said.

In her research, Espelage defines bullying as behaviors ranging from name-calling and teasing to threats and physical aggression. Not included is kidding among friends. Curiously, the correlation between popularity and bullying declined in the seventh grade, and basically disappeared in the eighth, Espelage said.

"So something happens in seventh grade that teasing and name-calling becomes less popular, or those kids who do it become less popular," she said.

Maybe bullying serves a function for sixth-grade boys as they attempt to negotiate their way in the peer group, and as they find themselves on the lowest rung at a new school and on the verge of early adolescence, Espelage suggested.

"It could just be how males adjust to middle school."

Espelage will present her findings this month at the American Psychological Association convention Aug. 4-8 in Washington, D.C.

The school that was the subject of the research covered grades six through eight, and the survey included 513 students, or about 90 percent of the enrollment.

In the same survey, Espelage also sought to determine what effect bullying was having on its victims, and found the results disturbing.

Using a standard mental health survey instrument, she found the victims were not taking their treatment by peers lightly.

"For sixth-grade males, the correlation between victimization, and anxiety, depression and suicidality [having suicidal thoughts] is … very, very strong," she found. The correlation went down but remained strong for boys in the next two grades.

Espelage is aware that many teachers and parents might fail to recognize and address the problem because they see a certain degree of bullying as just part of growing up. But with many of the kids most seriously victimized, "we're dealing with potentially serious mental health issues," she said.

Espelage, who has been researching bullying for more than six years, is among the first to examine the potential tie between bullying and peer influence in U.S. middle schools.

The interest in the connection grew out of a previous study, she noted, but it also makes sense to research it given that smoking, alcohol use and sexual decisions have all been examined in the light of peer influence.

"What happens to the kids that see that teasing and name-calling does make them more popular … do they go on to become more aggressive?" Espelage asked. "The goal here is to say 'If these things predict bullying, then how can we intervene.' "
http://news.illinois.edu/gentips/00/08bully.html

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This people. This is how you do not make a retort post.

So you are taking a single paper that correlates SIXTH GRADE BOYS as bullies with popularity, then degrades in the seventh and disappears in the eighth grade. Did you read your fucking article?
In her research, Espelage defines bullying as behaviors ranging from name-calling and teasing to threats and physical aggression. Not included is kidding among friends. Curiously, the correlation between popularity and bullying declined in the seventh grade, and basically disappeared in the eighth, Espelage said.



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Ghost Rider wrote:This people. This is how you do not make a retort post.

So you are taking a single paper that correlates SIXTH GRADE BOYS as bullies with popularity, then degrades in the seventh and disappears in the eighth grade. Did you read your fucking article?
In her research, Espelage defines bullying as behaviors ranging from name-calling and teasing to threats and physical aggression. Not included is kidding among friends. Curiously, the correlation between popularity and bullying declined in the seventh grade, and basically disappeared in the eighth, Espelage said.



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