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Well, you see, there's this myth going around that the NRA didn't do shit about gun politics until the old guard was coup d'etated by Wayne LaPierre clones at their Convention in what, the middle to late 1970s.Flagg wrote:And we were in the middle of the Great Depression, crime was high, and millions of people in America rode horses and had no electricity or indoor plumbing. If only we had a time machine we could send you back there.
So? Aside from the dark passenger voices in your head, has anyone in the thread said otherwise? Dexter reference FTW.MKSheppard wrote:Well, you see, there's this myth going around that the NRA didn't do shit about gun politics until the old guard was coup d'etated by Wayne LaPierre clones at their Convention in what, the middle to late 1970s.Flagg wrote:And we were in the middle of the Great Depression, crime was high, and millions of people in America rode horses and had no electricity or indoor plumbing. If only we had a time machine we could send you back there.
madd0ct0r wrote:So basically, you dismiss the havard source, which isn't just a paper but is a summary paper that summarises a bunch of different other studies into self defence with guns claims. You defend your self with righteous (not right) anger, at the idea of forcing grandma to beat off a mugger with her handbag, but then freely admit you ain't got any data or statistics to back this up and that they probably don't exist (at least, not ones where you think the author likes guns). So there ain't shit I can do here becuase just like the NRA, you're refusing to engage at a level above gut reactions and truthiness.Joun_Lord wrote:
Other people do think they need a gun, other people have NEEDED a firearm and successfully defended their lives with them. People have stopped muggings, women (and presumably men) have stopped rapists, people have stop home invasions, and defending themselves from couple of guys who were up to no good making trouble in their neighborhood.
Probably not though thats only because I find most any surveys suspect at best and prone to bias. Surveys tend to use leading questions or confusing ones to try to get the result they want. The bias of the person making the survey and studies is called into question, too often they seem to take construct a study to reach preconceived results. Doing a bit of research one of the primary authors David Hemenway and Deborah Azrael seems anti-gun. Saying shit like "anyone using a gun is a wuss", "They’re somebody to look down at because they couldn’t defend themselves or couldn’t protect others without using a gun" because I guess little old ladies being menaced by some 20 year old, women being raped, and people being attacked should do the honorable thing and engage in fisticuffs. I just eye-rolled at that bullshit so hard my eyeballs are hurting. Pro-gun or anti-gun, I think most save this idiot can agree that potential rape victims and the elderly fighting some in shape young person IS NOT FUCKING BRAVE.madd0ct0r wrote:On phone. Would you consider this to be a reputable source?
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firea ... gun-use-2/
That actual factual legitimate anger aside, these studies are also around 20 years old (though I wanted to write 10 years because I keep thinking the 90s were still last decade) and from a no doubt small sample size. I also question who would over the phone be admitting to using firearms illegally.
This is a problem (well one of them) with the NRA. There refusal to allow any government research into gun violence makes it so there is only biased studies like this or NRA fund overtly pro-gun studies that are just as untrustworthy and biased as this study. I think we can both agree that some unbiased neutral studies would be good for everyone. Well everyone save maybe the NRA and the Brady Campaign but personally I think both of them can eat a bag of soggy rotten donkey dicks with a butter knife. Both are moronic zealots.
I will bet you $25 on payapl though, that, in any five year period over the last two decades, in the continental USA, more people were killed by by guns than cases where a gun was used in self defence against rape or by a senior citizen to prevent a mugging. $25, on the table.
And then I'm reading homicide tied to gun ownership is practically zero (0.003), although that leads to the obvious question as to whether gunowernship includes illeagel gunownership.
It really doesn't. If the war on drugs it is that we are absolute shit when it comes to interdicting smuggling by well organized criminal syndicates.but also that gun control makes it much hard for bangsticks to enter the criminal markets.
I did check correlation between my predictors, there was very little. You just misread the readout (I formatted them before posting, but apparently board software did not even like the spaces. I will use images next time)The latter just means a half decent correlation between urbanised percentage and poverty percentage coinciding with homicide in that year set data, which seems reasonable. I'd call above 80 a strong correlation, and above 60 a decent one. Either way, 212 is an order of magnitude above the next strongest correlation, and way, way above anything else.
If you people didn't think it was fine, you'd do something about it. You haven't done so, and continually refuse to do so, so what we're left with is that you do. The rest of the developed world has shown the problem can in fact be dealt with, and that dealing with it does not involve creating a dystopia or whatever, so you can fuck off with this whiny exceptionalism routine.Joun_Lord wrote:Well no, its not the America had decided the situation is fine.
What horseshit. You think Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan etc don't have these things? Inequality is everywhere, poverty is everywhere, mental healthcare is just flat out trashy and ineffective anywhere you go. The prison system across the anglosphere ranges from bad to bad.Our economy being shit and making people have to resort to unsavory methods to survive, the perpetually poor inner city minorities and rural white trash who have had to do the same even before the economy went down the crapper but now have to do more so, our horrific prison system, our nearly as horrific mental health system where it exists, racism, classism, sexism, and of course most importantly some people have little regard for life are all reasons for these media whored shootings and the vast numbers of other shootings nobody cares about because its two black people or two white people or they can't find some other angle to whore it with.
At ColumbineFlagg wrote:The good part was limiting magazine capacity. We know from incidents during shootings that when the shooter had to switch magazines, that's usually when they got stopped, like in the Giffords shooting.
US v. Miller, where they upheld the NFA as constitutional because there was no milita use for short barrelled shotguns.And there really is no valid argument against limiting magazine capacity on all civilian owned firearms.
Thus, 30 round magazines in ARMALYTES and 15 round magazines for BLOCKS are constitutional as they are protected as a milita item.What do you mean "you people"?the atom wrote:]If you people didn't think it was fine, you'd do something about it. You haven't done so, and continually refuse to do so, so what we're left with is that you do. The rest of the developed world has shown the problem can in fact be dealt with, and that dealing with it does not involve creating a dystopia or whatever, so you can fuck off with this whiny exceptionalism routine.
Getting back to that now thats its later, I know Cunuckistan, Britaint, Ausfailia, and Japan (can't think of an insulting name for Japan, maybe Japanned? No thats not very good) have the problems but nowhere even close to the levels America still have to say nothing of the levels it had during the far worse 80s or 90s. All those countries have atleast a universal social safety net to provide a minimum of income for people or high enough employment where few people need it. Most if not all those countries have universal health care. All those cuntries have good school systems. Most if not all those countries do not have racial ghettos where unemployment is high, education is low, violence is high, and people giving a shit is very, very low.What horseshit. You think Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan etc don't have these things? Inequality is everywhere, poverty is everywhere, mental healthcare is just flat out trashy and ineffective anywhere you go. The prison system across the anglosphere ranges from bad to bad.
We didn't have to resolve our countries into utopias to get serious about cracking down on guns and murder, we just hit them with tough laws, which were and are broadly successful in their intended purpose.
You'll find the majority of murder suspects and victims have a lengthy criminal history,Alyrium Denryle wrote: On the other hand, our career criminal element is not responsible for most murders. Most murders are committed by people who know eachother well (one is more likely to be killed by a spouse than anyone else, last I checked). For planned-out murder (for a bit, not five seconds...)
Read it again and put on your reading comprehension goggles. I said your spouse is more likely to kill you than anyone else. As in, any one other specified person. Stranger covers a LOT of people in terms of just raw numbers, but each individual is low risk. When it comes to parsing out risk, that random stranger you see is unlikely to kill you.Andras wrote:You'll find the majority of murder suspects and victims have a lengthy criminal history,Alyrium Denryle wrote: On the other hand, our career criminal element is not responsible for most murders. Most murders are committed by people who know eachother well (one is more likely to be killed by a spouse than anyone else, last I checked). For planned-out murder (for a bit, not five seconds...)
Spousal murders in 2014 accounted for 614 of <12,000 murders.
By far the largest category, putting aside Unknown, is Acquaintance murders, with Stranger running second.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... p_2014.xls
What's your point? That American jails are run by corrupt arseholes who make their money per prisoner so they spend their time bribing judges? That the legal system is non functional because the people who get the final say are appointed for life, largely senile and waiting to die? That the police are ineffective because there are 300,000 separate police forces, most with effectively no training or oversight and somehow they all seem to get their jollies shooting black people? That the lead contaminating the public water supply has so corroded the brains of the average American that they are unable to imagine what a functional health care system might look like? That Amercians have a relationship with guns that can, at best, be described as childish in the extreme? Do you think this is actually news to anybody? Because you're acting like you think it is.Getting back to that now thats its later, I know Cunuckistan, Britaint, Ausfailia, and Japan (can't think of an insulting name for Japan, maybe Japanned? No thats not very good) have the problems but nowhere even close to the levels America still have to say nothing of the levels it had during the far worse 80s or 90s. All those countries have atleast a universal social safety net to provide a minimum of income for people or high enough employment where few people need it. Most if not all those countries have universal health care. All those cuntries have good school systems. Most if not all those countries do not have racial ghettos where unemployment is high, education is low, violence is high, and people giving a shit is very, very low.
And the prison system? America's prisons and jails can be compared to 3rd world ones. Violent, dirty, overcrowded hellholes run for profit. Eurocommie and Canadia are practically holiday resorts compared to American jails. The jails of Europe, America's hat, and Japan aims to rehabilitate prisoners rather then just punish them like the American ones do. Japan's prisons aren't exactly nice themselves being ran like boot camps but there is little to no prisoner on prisoner violence, rape, and revenge killings so still superior to American prisons. Japan's prison population is on the rise, sure, but not because of hardened criminals but because of of lonely old people wanting attention.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2009/0 ... lice-study
Those countries have it far better then America and yet they still have violence, still have murders. The homicide rate in the UK changed little after the handgun ban, even exceeding pre-ban number, and only going down significantly in the 2010s when the homicide rate in the US was down too. Gun crime went up and only went down around the same time as the murder rate went down. Knife crime remained about the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Murder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... nife_crime
Clearly just banning handguns did not solve the problem of gun crime itself or the far more important problem of crime in general. Strangely criminals don't follow laws, bizarrely they are little affected by these laws beyond having easier victims.
But clearly we should follow the example of the UK and ban guns and ignore all the other crime including gun crime because we can pat ourselves on the back because we did.......something.
Or we could take the time to do it right.
But dude, it's hard! Don't you understand?! It's just really hard!Alkaloid wrote:What's your point? That American jails are run by corrupt arseholes who make their money per prisoner so they spend their time bribing judges? That the legal system is non functional because the people who get the final say are appointed for life, largely senile and waiting to die? That the police are ineffective because there are 300,000 separate police forces, most with effectively no training or oversight and somehow they all seem to get their jollies shooting black people? That the lead contaminating the public water supply has so corroded the brains of the average American that they are unable to imagine what a functional health care system might look like? That Amercians have a relationship with guns that can, at best, be described as childish in the extreme? Do you think this is actually news to anybody? Because you're acting like you think it is.Getting back to that now thats its later, I know Cunuckistan, Britaint, Ausfailia, and Japan (can't think of an insulting name for Japan, maybe Japanned? No thats not very good) have the problems but nowhere even close to the levels America still have to say nothing of the levels it had during the far worse 80s or 90s. All those countries have atleast a universal social safety net to provide a minimum of income for people or high enough employment where few people need it. Most if not all those countries have universal health care. All those cuntries have good school systems. Most if not all those countries do not have racial ghettos where unemployment is high, education is low, violence is high, and people giving a shit is very, very low.
And the prison system? America's prisons and jails can be compared to 3rd world ones. Violent, dirty, overcrowded hellholes run for profit. Eurocommie and Canadia are practically holiday resorts compared to American jails. The jails of Europe, America's hat, and Japan aims to rehabilitate prisoners rather then just punish them like the American ones do. Japan's prisons aren't exactly nice themselves being ran like boot camps but there is little to no prisoner on prisoner violence, rape, and revenge killings so still superior to American prisons. Japan's prison population is on the rise, sure, but not because of hardened criminals but because of of lonely old people wanting attention.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2009/0 ... lice-study
Those countries have it far better then America and yet they still have violence, still have murders. The homicide rate in the UK changed little after the handgun ban, even exceeding pre-ban number, and only going down significantly in the 2010s when the homicide rate in the US was down too. Gun crime went up and only went down around the same time as the murder rate went down. Knife crime remained about the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_London#Murder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... nife_crime
Clearly just banning handguns did not solve the problem of gun crime itself or the far more important problem of crime in general. Strangely criminals don't follow laws, bizarrely they are little affected by these laws beyond having easier victims.
But clearly we should follow the example of the UK and ban guns and ignore all the other crime including gun crime because we can pat ourselves on the back because we did.......something.
Or we could take the time to do it right.
Hahahahahahahaha. Bull. Fucking. Shit.
We all know that you won't take the time to do it right, you'll take the time to do nothing at all. There will be no changes until the next time some dickhead picks up mommy or daddies legally owned firearm (which they leave lying about the house unsecured and fully loaded out of fear of rapist muslim gangbanger coyote drug dealer home invaders) and shoots 20 people in the school cafeteria because they aren't nice enough to him/no one has had sex with them yet. Even then the only change will be the NRA increasing the funding they provide to any politician running against a candidate who even makes noises about gun control.
My point if you could read, clearly you can't so clearly you must be a product of American schools, is parts of America are 3rd world countries with the crime levels to match. Some parts of America are economic deadzones, violent warzones, corrupt hellzones, like the Zone from Stalker but with fewer mutants. Some Americans have it so bad they have no choice but to turn to violence to try to survive, to try to eat, to try to pay their rent, because their education and job prospects are so dim they have no chance of ever finding a job, of being a productive member of society.Alkaloid wrote:What's your point? That American jails are run by corrupt arseholes who make their money per prisoner so they spend their time bribing judges? That the legal system is non functional because the people who get the final say are appointed for life, largely senile and waiting to die? That the police are ineffective because there are 300,000 separate police forces, most with effectively no training or oversight and somehow they all seem to get their jollies shooting black people? That the lead contaminating the public water supply has so corroded the brains of the average American that they are unable to imagine what a functional health care system might look like? That Amercians have a relationship with guns that can, at best, be described as childish in the extreme? Do you think this is actually news to anybody? Because you're acting like you think it is.
Not doing something right after some cocksuckers shoots up a school ≠ not doing anything. Because trying to pass half assed measures that don't do shit beyond passing meaningless feel good measures based on muh feels and how scary an object looks is definitely not doing anything to stop gun violence. Just passing laws and calling it a day does not stop gun violence, does not get to the root of the gun violence because.......dot dot.......gun violence is the symptom of a larger problem and you ain't doing shit without addressing the cause thus you ain't doing shit about the problem by passing laws that have nothing to do with most shootings anyway and based on scary features like shoulder things that go up.Hahahahahahahaha. Bull. Fucking. Shit.
We all know that you won't take the time to do it right, you'll take the time to do nothing at all. There will be no changes until the next time some dickhead picks up mommy or daddies legally owned firearm (which they leave lying about the house unsecured and fully loaded out of fear of rapist muslim gangbanger coyote drug dealer home invaders) and shoots 20 people in the school cafeteria because they aren't nice enough to him/no one has had sex with them yet. Even then the only change will be the NRA increasing the funding they provide to any politician running against a candidate who even makes noises about gun control.
Well it is hard dude, like a little boy watching his first Nicki Minaj music video. In what way is it easy to fix gun violence, hmm? Surely you can enlighten me and the rest of the class how it easy it is si'?Flagg wrote:But dude, it's hard! Don't you understand?! It's just really hard!
I'm mocking and banging my head about people who won't do anything, even make the attemp, because "it's too hard! NRA! Waaa!"Joun_Lord wrote:Well it is hard dude, like a little boy watching his first Nicki Minaj music video. In what way is it easy to fix gun violence, hmm? Surely you can enlighten me and the rest of the class how it easy it is si'?Flagg wrote:But dude, it's hard! Don't you understand?! It's just really hard!
Just replace this with urban and it applies to both europe and the US.Joun_Lord wrote:And the Europeon relationship with guns is childish
It's not "childish" to protect people from something harmful.Joun_Lord wrote:And the Europeon relationship with guns is childish. One that treats everyone like children by banning an object from public possession because they can't be trusted with it like they are a bunch of preschoolers having scissors taken away by the teacher because little Timmy was a dickhole with his Hanna Montana scissors. A relationship of fear where people rather then understanding something just want it taken away. The American relationship with firearms is by no means perfect but atleast its a fairly adult relationship where people are trusted with firearms because they are adults until they abuse them.
The problem with the drunk driving example is the fact America already does have laws on the books or scrolls or rolls or whatever that does the same thing for guns. Using guns improperly, including probably while intoxicated, is already illegal and we have harsh legislation in place to disincentive abuse of firearms. Banning drunk driving of it isn't treating people like children, its punishing people who abuse something potentially very deadly. Its not attacking an object that is only deadly when abused or attacking people who didn't get behind the wheel sloshed to the gills, it goes after people who do the god awfully retarded act of drinking and driving.Terralthra wrote:It's not childish to pass laws against, for example, drunk driving. People who drive drunk are dangerous, and only morons think that it's a good idea to "treat people like adults" and drive drunk until they hurt someone. By the time the person has hurt someone, yes, we can punish the person who did it, but odds are someone's already dead. As a result of treating drunk driving like a public health hazard, and legislating harsh disincentives to drive drunk - even if you personally didn't hurt anyone or damage anything in the process - way fewer people are dying as a result of DUI, both absolutely and relative to the number of vehicle miles travelled. There are also fewer non-alcohol-related deaths because the government studied road safety as a public health hazard, found ways to reduce vehicle fatalities, and made those ways into law. Seat belts and airbags, for example. As a result, the roads are way way safer, and your odds of dying in a traffic accident have dropped precipitously.
I've said before I think its shitty the NRA blocking any research into gun violence. Even though I'm heavily pro-gun I still think research into gun violence to find ways of making guns themselves safer and to create smartly crafted laws to make people safer. I'm not against more gun laws, I'm not against more regulation, I'm just against stupid and ineffectual ones that criminalize people who didn't do shit wrong, doesn't make any fucking body safer, and is done for the sole purpose of attacking firearms rather then to actually help peopleWhy don't we do this with guns? Oh, right, the gun advocates have lobbied to make it illegal for the CDC to study gun violence. Worth noting that guns killed more people last year than cars did, and a hell of a lot more people use cars on a daily basis. Per person-hour of use, cars are literally several orders of magnitude safer than guns, yet - excluding morons - we accept government study and regulation of automobiles at both manufacturer, purchaser, user, and passenger levels as a matter of course. Is that "childish"? Or simply an acknowledgement that some things are dangerous to people? I'd love to propose some gun legislation that would actually reduce gun violence, with evidence to back me up, but I can't really do that, because it's been made illegal to thoroughly study the problem. So, I don't know what we can do to reduce gun violence, other than maybe ask some other countries. Because some countries have way less gun violence than us, and there's no clear trend of economic inequality that explains why it's higher some places than others.
What I do know is that I'm tired of the gun lobby saying there's nothing we can do about the problem.
Again, what's your point? You're saying large parts of the country are a shithole and acting like it is a) news to people and b) and excuse for a government to take no action over the massive number of people being shot.My point if you could read, clearly you can't so clearly you must be a product of American schools, is parts of America are 3rd world countries with the crime levels to match. Some parts of America are economic deadzones, violent warzones, corrupt hellzones, like the Zone from Stalker but with fewer mutants. Some Americans have it so bad they have no choice but to turn to violence to try to survive, to try to eat, to try to pay their rent, because their education and job prospects are so dim they have no chance of ever finding a job, of being a productive member of society.
Its stupid to say "why can't you be more like these Eurocommie cuntries with their universal healthcare, basic income, and less systemic racism" because America with it exceptionalism has in many parts become a 3rd world exception in the 1st world.
Except in this example Timmy has cut Marys throat, Dianne is over in the corner cutting herself, the student teacher is strip searching Tina because she's black and had the nerve to bring nail clippers and little Johnny has disfigured 3 students plus the class rabbit and is looking for someone else to carve up. Meanwhile the teacher looks on going "well this is all obviously horrible but I can't do anything about it because their daddies said they were allowed to have scissors. I guess this is just the cost of doing business".And the Europeon relationship with guns is childish. One that treats everyone like children by banning an object from public possession because they can't be trusted with it like they are a bunch of preschoolers having scissors taken away by the teacher because little Timmy was a dickhole with his Hanna Montana scissors. A relationship of fear where people rather then understanding something just want it taken away. The American relationship with firearms is by no means perfect but atleast its a fairly adult relationship where people are trusted with firearms because they are adults until they abuse them.
OK, cool. Care to give me some examples of this great American approach of not half arseing the job? You know, the ones making concrete progress in reducing the murder rate to something the rest of the first world would consider an acceptable level? I'll wait.Not doing something right after some cocksuckers shoots up a school ≠ not doing anything.
Continuing this vein, local Baltimore Media got to investigating Mr Warren's background and found:MKSheppard wrote:From Bodymore:
http://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/balt ... e-shooting
I'm sure he had his HQL and had been background checked through 11-jillion databases by MSP.Investigators say 23-year-old Warren was a member of a "hitmen for hire" club and was arrested Tuesday night with two guns on his person.
Police believe he was the only shooter.
At the time of his arrest Warren was on probation for armed robbery and is "a person of interest in more than one crime of violence," Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis noted.
Warren is allegedly part of the "10 Grand Club," which Davis described as "a group that considers themselves bad guys, hitmen for hire."
The shooting happened during a Memorial Day cookout shortly after 3 p.m. on East 43rd Street near York Road. When officers arrived they found four victims with gunshot wounds -- and a fifth was found inside a nearby residence.
Investigators believe the shooting stemmed from an earlier altercation.
Just curious; here's the GINI for Maryland 1979-1999:Alyrium Denryle wrote:If I wanted to, I could get the GINI coefficients for each state and use that as a predictor variable as well, but I did not think to do so last night.
Won't work.Alyrium Denryle wrote:There are ways to reduce the public health risk from guns that dont require removing that security from law-abiding citizens. Better background checks
Actually, our former Attorney General, Douglas Gansler, said that it was okay for the State of Maryland to sharply restrict concealed carry permits (Maryland has them but you can't get one unless you spend Donald Trump money in Bribes), because according to Gansler, our rights aren't being infringed because in Maryland you can open carry a rifle.getting rid of open carry (because it permits more rapid risk-assessment, that guy walking down the street with an AR-15 is likely up to no good if doing so is generally illegal), that sort of thing.
Pff. Recent case near me involved a federal cop who was getting a messy divorce from wife.Alyrium Denryle wrote:Wait times mean that someone who just found out their wife is cheating on them and WANTS a gun to kill her has to wait for one, which for most people will let cooler heads prevail, so long as he is not mad with rage sufficient to lose control and kill her right there with the baseball bat in the closet. With no access to guns at all, he wont fixate on that method and will get creative in the day or so he has to stew in his rage.
A, it does seem news to people considering people keep saying America should look to Europe to solve their gun violence problem when the violence problems Europe was plagued with that got their bans and the main problem facing America right now, which isn't the mass shootings the "lame stream media" (Zod damn that is such a dumb phrase) tries to paint as the problem, are different. The circumstances are different, the economic situation is different. And the main gun violence problem in America, inner city gun violence, has not been solved in Europe. The main problem with guns themselves, suicide, has not been solved either considering quite a few Europeon countries including Polandball, France, FInland, Based Belgium, and Lithuania all have higher suicide rates then the US.Alkaloid wrote:Again, what's your point? You're saying large parts of the country are a shithole and acting like it is a) news to people and b) and excuse for a government to take no action over the massive number of people being shot.
No the teacher stops Timmy and then blames everyone else for his crime, tries to take away their scissors and completely ignores when Tina kills Jacob because they are both black. And the asshole bully gym teacher named Nick R Allen attempts to stop the teacher from taking away the scissors while also ignoring Tina and Jacob but more then happy to verbally abuse Mikey, the boy who plays with dolls. And nothing gets done because both teachers are taking extreme positions and ignoring a significant portion of the problem.Except in this example Timmy has cut Marys throat, Dianne is over in the corner cutting herself, the student teacher is strip searching Tina because she's black and had the nerve to bring nail clippers and little Johnny has disfigured 3 students plus the class rabbit and is looking for someone else to carve up. Meanwhile the teacher looks on going "well this is all obviously horrible but I can't do anything about it because their daddies said they were allowed to have scissors. I guess this is just the cost of doing business".
Sounds like more or less banned with a few exceptions, regulated to the point of being banned except in select circumstances. Thats almost like NFA weapons in the US except anybody can still get those weapons if they pass the rigorous back ground checks and can afford their substantial prices.(Also seriously what's with this bugbear about guns being banned in Europe? They aren't banned, they're regulated. I can't think of a singe country in Europe where if you need a gun and can demonstrate a a capacity to take responsibility for it you can't get one. Might be why you don't hear stories about toddlers shooting their mothers with a handgun that 'fell out of her handbag' coming from Norway)
NFA items are restricted, background checks are mandatory on all non-private gun sales and even on private ones over state lines, and beyond that not alot and nothing relatively recently I can think of. Which is a problem but not one that can be solved by half arseing the job the other direction.OK, cool. Care to give me some examples of this great American approach of not half arseing the job? You know, the ones making concrete progress in reducing the murder rate to something the rest of the first world would consider an acceptable level? I'll wait.
