DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

User avatar
LaCroix
Sith Acolyte
Posts: 5194
Joined: 2004-12-21 12:14pm
Location: Sopron District, Hungary, Europe, Terra

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by LaCroix »

"Enterprise" would be available, as well, as she certainly will be decommissioned by that time.
A minute's thought suggests that the very idea of this is stupid. A more detailed examination raises the possibility that it might be an answer to the question "how could the Germans win the war after the US gets involved?" - Captain Seafort, in a thread proposing a 1942 'D-Day' in Quiberon Bay

I do archery skeet. With a Trebuchet.
User avatar
TimothyC
Of Sector 2814
Posts: 3793
Joined: 2005-03-23 05:31pm

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by TimothyC »

Simon_Jester wrote:I'd be really surprised if they name a carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower or something in 2020. Although CVN-79, the one after Ford, is due to be named... John F. Kennedy. This would complete the cycle, since he was the first president they named a carrier for, too.
Simon, as noted in the other thread FDR was the first one to get a carrier named after him (CV[B/A]-42, Commissioned in '45, Decommissioned in '77).

Edit: Naming after Politicians goes back a bit further - CV[A]-59 was named after a former Secretary of the Navy (Forrestal), and CV-13 was named after Ben. Franklin.
"I believe in the future. It is wonderful because it stands on what has been achieved." - Sergei Korolev
Simon_Jester
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 30165
Joined: 2009-05-23 07:29pm

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by Simon_Jester »

TimothyC wrote:Simon, as noted in the other thread FDR was the first one to get a carrier named after him (CV[B/A]-42, Commissioned in '45, Decommissioned in '77).
Oops. I'm wrong.

In mitigation, he at least died in office- by the same argument I get naming a carrier after Kennedy, you want to honor someone who worked hard, did some things people respect, and "died in harness." And this was, in both cases, done not long after their deaths, as a form of memorial. I understand that.

But naming carriers for just any random president who happens to be historically recent, I don't like that.
Edit: Naming after Politicians goes back a bit further - CV[A]-59 was named after a former Secretary of the Navy (Forrestal), and CV-13 was named after Ben. Franklin.
Franklin doesn't count- he died over 150 years before the carrier was laid down. Naming the ship after him wasn't a political statement, it was a historical statement.

Forrestal? I don't know what to think of that one.
This space dedicated to Vasily Arkhipov
Patroklos
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2577
Joined: 2009-04-14 11:00am

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by Patroklos »

What political statement do you thing was trying to be made. He was simply a president and former member of the Navy. I don't think more thought went into it than that. Every president that has naval service has gotten a ship, they even gave Carter a submarine since he was a bubble head.
User avatar
Lonestar
Keeper of the Schwartz
Posts: 13321
Joined: 2003-02-13 03:21pm
Location: The Bay Area

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by Lonestar »

Simon_Jester wrote:I'd be really surprised if they name a carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower or something in 2020. Although CVN-79, the one after Ford, is due to be named... John F. Kennedy. This would complete the cycle, since he was the first president they named a carrier for, too.
There's already a Eisenhower. My old Scoutmaster in the 90s was the CO.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
Simon_Jester
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 30165
Joined: 2009-05-23 07:29pm

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by Simon_Jester »

Lonestar wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:I'd be really surprised if they name a carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower or something in 2020. Although CVN-79, the one after Ford, is due to be named... John F. Kennedy. This would complete the cycle, since he was the first president they named a carrier for, too.
There's already a Eisenhower. My old Scoutmaster in the 90s was the CO.
I know. She was laid down in 1970, when there were still a lot of people arond who'd voted for Eisenhower and his presidency was recent memory. CVN-80 is going to be laid down in 2020, when the youngest people who voted for Eisenhower will be eighty-five years old, and the youngest people with any clear memory of his presidency will be past retirement age.

Will anyone name another carrier after the man then, or later, when CVN-69 retires?? Maybe, but I kind of doubt it.
This space dedicated to Vasily Arkhipov
CarsonPalmer
Jedi Master
Posts: 1227
Joined: 2006-01-07 01:33pm

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by CarsonPalmer »

Simon_Jester wrote:I'd be really surprised if they name a carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower or something in 2020. Although CVN-79, the one after Ford, is due to be named... John F. Kennedy. This would complete the cycle, since he was the first president they named a carrier for, too.
I'm an LBJ fan, but of all the post-World War II presidents, Ike probably deserves one the most; its between him and Harry Truman as the best, I think.
User avatar
Shinn Langley Soryu
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1526
Joined: 2006-08-18 11:27pm
Location: COOBIE YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by Shinn Langley Soryu »

Simon_Jester wrote:
Lonestar wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:I'd be really surprised if they name a carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower or something in 2020. Although CVN-79, the one after Ford, is due to be named... John F. Kennedy. This would complete the cycle, since he was the first president they named a carrier for, too.
There's already a Eisenhower. My old Scoutmaster in the 90s was the CO.
I know. She was laid down in 1970, when there were still a lot of people arond who'd voted for Eisenhower and his presidency was recent memory. CVN-80 is going to be laid down in 2020, when the youngest people who voted for Eisenhower will be eighty-five years old, and the youngest people with any clear memory of his presidency will be past retirement age.

Will anyone name another carrier after the man then, or later, when CVN-69 retires?? Maybe, but I kind of doubt it.
They could always try recycling some of the names used for the 41 for Freedom. Many of those people (with the obvious exceptions of traitors and malcontents like Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, and John C. Calhoun) are far more deserving of the honor of having a supercarrier named after them than, say, Ronald Reagan. Even Carl Vinson or John C. Stennis, who ostensibly did much for the U.S. Navy during their respective terms of office in Congress, should have never gotten carriers named after them.
I ship Eino Ilmari Juutilainen x Lydia V. Litvyak.

Image
ImageImageImage
Phantasee: Don't be a dick.
Stofsk: What are you, his mother?
The Yosemite Bear: Obviously, which means that he's grounded, and that she needs to go back to sucking Mr. Coffee's cock.

"d-did... did this thread just turn into Thanas/PeZook slash fiction?" - Ilya Muromets[/size]
User avatar
Col. Crackpot
That Obnoxious Guy
Posts: 10223
Joined: 2002-10-28 05:04pm
Location: Rhode Island
Contact:

Re: DDG 1002 Lyndon B Johnson.

Post by Col. Crackpot »

LaCroix wrote:"Enterprise" would be available, as well, as she certainly will be decommissioned by that time.
America must have a giant ship named Enterprise at all times. It's in the Constitution. Article 1701 i think.
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” -Tom Clancy
Post Reply