Lincoln and Secession

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

User avatar
Illuminatus Primus
All Seeing Eye
Posts: 15774
Joined: 2002-10-12 02:52pm
Location: Gainesville, Florida, USA
Contact:

Post by Illuminatus Primus »

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:1. That the Declaration of Independence is not a document legally binding under the Constitution does not mean that it was not a "legal" document at the time.
What a tool. Don't trip on your rush to backpeddle, now.
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:2. Even though the document is not legally binding under the Constitution the rights explicitly defined in it are reserved by the people under the Constitution; namely under the IX and X Amendments added to the Constitution in the Bill of Rights.

Now how about you stop being a mindless fuckwit.
How about you suggesting the Framers were so fucking stupid they'd set up a system which "allowed" succession indestinguishable from rebellion as covered by the Constitution, or you don't know what you're talking about.

If succession was a legal right, don't you think there'd be legitimate mechanisms so as to seperate it from rebellion, for which the Federal Government can even suspend habeas corpus over?
"You know what the problem with Hollywood is. They make shit. Unbelievable. Unremarkable. Shit." - Gabriel Shear, Swordfish

"This statement, in its utterly clueless hubristic stupidity, cannot be improved upon. I merely quote it in admiration of its perfection." - Garibaldi in reply to an incredibly stupid post.

The Fifth Illuminatus Primus | Warsie | Skeptical Empiricist | Florida Gator | Sustainability Advocate | Libertarian Socialist |
Image
User avatar
Rogue 9
Scrapping TIEs since 1997
Posts: 18648
Joined: 2003-11-12 01:10pm
Location: Classified
Contact:

Post by Rogue 9 »

Man, I should have stuck with this thread. So, if secession is a right, I could write up a declaration and proclaim that my dorm room is now a Rogue state? ( :P ) Cool! Press conference tomorrow at 8 pm, Tennessee Room in the student center. :roll:
User avatar
Xenophobe3691
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4334
Joined: 2002-07-24 08:55am
Location: University of Central Florida, Orlando, FL
Contact:

Post by Xenophobe3691 »

Rogue 9 wrote:Man, I should have stuck with this thread. So, if secession is a right, I could write up a declaration and proclaim that my dorm room is now a Rogue state? ( :P ) Cool! Press conference tomorrow at 8 pm, Tennessee Room in the student center. :roll:
Not secession like that. What they claim is that the States themselves, being technically sovereign under our Federal System, have the right to leave the Union whenever they choose, if the people decide it is so. One of the main reasons that Chief Justice Salmon Chase advised against the charging of Jefferson Davis for treason...
Dark Heresy: Dance Macabre - Imperial Psyker Magnus Arterra

BoTM
Proud Decepticon

Post 666 Made on Fri Jul 04, 2003 @ 12:48 pm
Post 1337 made on Fri Aug 22, 2003 @ 9:18 am
Post 1492 Made on Fri Aug 29, 2003 @ 5:16 pm

Hail Xeno: Lord of Calculus -- Ace Pace
Image
Post Reply