Just how many Kremlin talking points can you parrot?
Vympel wrote: ↑2023-12-18 07:05am
wautd wrote: ↑2023-12-18 06:49am
Russia persued the Minsk agreementsfor 8 years? They completely ignored it.
LOL what? How did
the Russians ignore Minsk II? That would be the peace treaty they imposed on Ukraine by force? Why would they not want to implement that? Are you even aware that western leaders have openly gloated that they had no intention of ever pushing Ukraine to implement Minsk II and it was all a farce to arm Ukraine?
Minsk agreements included an immediate and comprehensive ceasefire, which was ignored by the pro-Russian separatist terrorists and the little green men (Russian soldiers) fighting alongside them.
It included the restoration of full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine, which never happened.
It included the withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides, which didn't happen. Or do you think that Flight MH-17 was shot down by a farmer with shotgun?
It included withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries, which clearly didn't happen (what with Russian mercenaries, militias groups and soldiers fighting alongside separatist bandits for 8 years)
Russian occupied territories are predominantly Russian-speaking territories full of ethnic Russians. Only people totally ignorant of the demographic makeup of these territories could seriously buy the notion of 'Ukrainian cultural genocide' in say, Mariupol, a city about as Ukrainian as I am. Are they the victims of 'cultural genocide' by Ukraine? You know, given the government insists on 'Ukrainianization' and treats its Russian speaking people as a foreign element to be discriminated against? In 2019, the outgoing Poroshenko government instituted a language law mandating Ukrainian, and not Russian, be used in all aspects of public life.
What's wrong with having an official state language? In the USA, the official language is English. Doesn't mean it's waging a cultural genocide against it's Latin speaking population. How does this warrant Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine?
And weird how anti Russian sentiments increased after Russia's full scale invasion and Russian terror bombing campaign against Ukrainian cities. Imagine that.
Or is this 'cultural genocide' thing just an inane exaggeration being promulgated by war mongers who want to make up reasons for why the war has to be fought to the bitter end rather than at the negotiating table?
That Russia is waging a cultural genocide in Ukraine's occupied territories isn't an inane exaggeration but a fact. Just as much a fact as how Russian propaganda tends to blame the victims of what they are doing themselves.
And I think that the actual warmongers are the people who think its OK to invade and destroy a neighboring country over something like language laws. Ukraine has every right to self-defend itself against Russia's aggression and try whatever it can to kick the invader out of their borders.
How can you make peace when Russia’s goals haven’t changed? Ukraine should just give up a third of its country, including Odessa, which basically will make them loose their entire coast line and economically cripple them forever?
And are you that naïve to think you can appease someone like Putin by giving him what he wants?
Like sorry, but I don't think this war needs to go on for years and invite umpteen more war crimes and waves of far right reaction because some ethnonationalist or other feels a certain way about the other guy's language.
I don't want that this war will drag on for years either, but go tell that to Putin. Peace with his regime is nothing more than a temporary cease fire where Russia will rebuild its strength for his next invasions.
Do you think deliberate bombing of civilian targets constitutes genocide? By that standard every single war ever fought with bombs has been genocidal, so that's clearly stupid.
What's your point here? That you don't see a difference between military and civilian targets?
Deliberately bombing civilian targets/concentrations of civilians (like the Mariupol theatre, train stations full of refugees,...) are the logical end station of a regime that's waging a genocidal war. Putin wants Ukraine with as little as much Ukrainians in it.
given they've been relenetlessly shelling Donetsk and other civilian areas of the Donbas since 2015 basically without pause
That's a complete flat out lie. What's next, are you going to parrot that tired old lie that Ukraine killed 14000 civilians in Donetsk and Donbass during those 8 years too?
The vast majority of the fighting was between combatants of both sides, and occurred in 2014 - early 2015 after which the conflict became stagnant. The vast majority of the shelling happened on the front lines, not in cities. And most, if not all civilians (a few dozens per year since then) that died since then (a few dozens per year) were because of land mines, that could have been planted by either side.
Even Prigozhin of Wagner Group prior to his little march to Moscow admitted that Putin’s reasons were all bullshit, that the invasions were unprovoked, and that the fighting was happening on the front lines.
LMAO. Yeah ok so your evidence of the "crime of crimes" in international law is reciting a list of war crimes (in which Ukraine has also engaged - particularly the castration thing) and abuses and trying to launder those claims into a 'genocide'.
Is there any war that you wouldn't consider genocidal, by that standard? Russia is an invading army and the answer to whether war crimes will occur is "duh". War crimes !=genocide.
Again, more Russian propaganda blaming the victims of their war crimes. And how is castration not a war crime typically related to a genocidal agenda?
Oh wow, some random Russian journalist wrote a screed on "state media", that must mean its the official policy of the Russian state to carry out this dude's every desire! That's how working for "state media" works, right?
Your naivety is adorable. Russian state media is heavily censored, and free and independent journalism has been outlawed. So when genocidal rhetoric is published by a Russian state controlled news agency, you can be sure it’s done intentionally
Also, I just gave one example. There’s plenty of more examples of Russians dehumanization campaign over the past years