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US government slams Musk in court filing describing “chaotic environment” at X
US says FTC probe uncovered privacy risks caused by Musk's drastic changes.
JON BRODKIN - 9/13/2023, 4:43 AM


US government lawyers criticized Elon Musk's leadership at the company formerly named Twitter yesterday, telling a judge that Musk's attempt to terminate a privacy settlement and Federal Trade Commission investigation should be rejected.

"After agreeing last year to settle charges that it once again misled consumers about the privacy and security of their information, X Corp. (formerly Twitter, Inc.) now seeks to jettison that agreement and limit further scrutiny of its data practices. X Corp.'s motion is meritless and should be denied," Department of Justice lawyers representing the US government wrote in the filing in US District Court for the Northern District of California.

In July, Musk's X Corp. asked the court to terminate or modify a privacy settlement that Twitter and the FTC agreed to in May 2022 before Musk bought the company. X claimed that the FTC's ongoing investigation into whether it is complying with the settlement "has spiraled out of control and become tainted by bias." X's motion also sought "a protective order staying the notice of deposition of Elon Musk."

The US response yesterday said the investigation is warranted by the dramatic changes that Musk brought to the social media firm. It also said that Musk should be deposed in the FTC investigation because he "has unique, first-hand knowledge about the current state and direction of the company's data practices and efforts to comply with the 2022 Administrative Order."

The US said the FTC found troubling information when it used its discovery rights under the settlement to request "records and other information to determine whether X Corp. was properly protecting user data during this transformation," and when it deposed five former executives and employees who held roles in privacy and security. The FTC depositions so far have targeted "former employees because nearly every employee who has been identified as a point person for privacy or data security either resigned or was terminated before the FTC could talk to them," the government said.

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"The information obtained revealed a chaotic environment at the company that raised serious questions about whether and how Musk and other leaders were ensuring X Corp.'s compliance with the 2022 Administrative Order," the US wrote in the partially redacted filing.

Musk conducted "at least five rounds of terminations, layoffs, or other reductions" in the weeks after his October 2022 purchase of Twitter, eliminating over half of the workforce, the US noted.

"Within days of the initial layoffs, three key data privacy and security executives all resigned: Chief Privacy Officer Damien Kieran, Chief Information Security Officer Lea Kissner, and Chief Compliance Officer Marianne Fogarty," the filing said. "These three had been the sole remaining members of the company's Data Governance Committee, which was tasked with interpreting and modifying data policies and practices to ensure X Corp. complied with the 2022 Administrative Order."

The US filing said that during a deposition, "Kissner testified that decisions by Musk and others—including layoffs and other 'cost-cutting pressure and decisions'—impaired X Corp.'s ability to 'put technical restrictions and controls in place... around the company's use of contact data to make sure that it was being used... for the purpose that the particular contact data was collected.'"

Kissner further testified that after the mass employee exodus, "about half of the controls in X Corp.'s information security program did not have a designated 'owner' responsible for their operation. Similarly, at his deposition, Kieran testified that the firings and layoffs meant no one was responsible for about 37 percent of X Corp.'s privacy program controls," the US wrote.

“Musk’s conduct”

The next section of the US government filing is titled "Musk's Conduct." After buying the social network and taking over as CEO and sole director, "Musk also personally assumed supervisory authority over X Corp.'s privacy and information security program under the 2022 Administrative Order," the US said.

"Former X Corp. employees testified about several concerning incidents involving Musk," the US wrote. "For example, in early December 2022, Musk reportedly directed staff to grant an outside third-party journalist 'full access to everything at Twitter... No limits at all.' Consistent with Musk's direction, the journalist was initially assigned a company laptop and internal account, with the intent that they be given 'elevated privileges beyond just what a[n] average employee might have.'"

The journalist who received that access was reportedly Bari Weiss. According to the US court filing, longtime security employees at Twitter were "concerned such an arrangement could expose nonpublic user information in potential violation of the 2022 Administrative Order" and thus "intervened and implemented safeguards to mitigate the risks." Instead of receiving direct access to company systems, the journalist was said to be "working with some other individuals within [the company] who were potentially accessing such services on [their] behalf."

The next section of the US government filing is titled "Musk's Conduct." After buying the social network and taking over as CEO and sole director, "Musk also personally assumed supervisory authority over X Corp.'s privacy and information security program under the 2022 Administrative Order," the US said.

"Former X Corp. employees testified about several concerning incidents involving Musk," the US wrote. "For example, in early December 2022, Musk reportedly directed staff to grant an outside third-party journalist 'full access to everything at Twitter... No limits at all.' Consistent with Musk's direction, the journalist was initially assigned a company laptop and internal account, with the intent that they be given 'elevated privileges beyond just what a[n] average employee might have.'"

The journalist who received that access was reportedly Bari Weiss. According to the US court filing, longtime security employees at Twitter were "concerned such an arrangement could expose nonpublic user information in potential violation of the 2022 Administrative Order" and thus "intervened and implemented safeguards to mitigate the risks." Instead of receiving direct access to company systems, the journalist was said to be "working with some other individuals within [the company] who were potentially accessing such services on [their] behalf."

Abrupt move of servers with sensitive data

The filing then described a December 2022 incident in which Musk directed that Twitter servers be moved from one data center to another.

"X Corp. policy was that 'data cannot leave the data center unless it's been wiped.' But because employees only had 'a matter of days and weeks, not, like months or quarters' to conduct the move, they did not have 'enough time to put together a process that [] would be in compliance with [their] own policies,'" the brief said.

The hurried server move was also described in the new biography of Musk by Walter Isaacson.

The US government brief said the relocated servers were not wiped before being moved to a new data center. The type of data on the relocated servers was apparently so sensitive that it could not be described in the US court filing, which redacts the sentence that describes what the servers contained.

The "Musk's Conduct" section ends with a description of the rushed launch of the Twitter Blue revamp that gave "verification" checkmarks to paying users:
According to Kissner, Musk insisted the service "ha[d] to launch right now," even though X Corp. was "so reduced in size that [teams were] struggling to keep the service up." Kieran recalled Twitter Blue was implemented so quickly that, "to ensure the speed that the product and engineering team was trying to work at," the security and privacy review was not conducted in accordance with the company's process for software development.

Sayler described how some of the security team's recommendations went unheeded, including measures for mitigating the risk that people would purchase verification to impersonate other accounts. These concerns were well-founded: Twitter Blue was suspended the day after it was launched, after reports of fake accounts and impersonations.
X “complains the FTC asked too many questions”

The US brief also responded to X's claim that the FTC "attempted to bully" audit firm Ernst & Young (EY) "into acting as an arm of its enforcement staff digging up dirt on X Corp., rather than an objective, independent, third-party auditor."

"X Corp. fails to mention that EY chose to terminate its engagement in February 2023 due to the extensive departures within, and a lack of support from, X Corp. Nor does X Corp. acknowledge that it has since retained a new independent assessor, which renders immaterial the company's allegations regarding EY, since EY never produced a report of X Corp.'s program or submitted one to the FTC," the US told the court.

When Twitter agreed to the privacy settlement last year, there was a stipulated order issued by the court and an administrative order issued by the FTC. The obligations that X complains about "flow from the FTC's administrative order and not the court's stipulated order," the US said.

The US argued that the court lacks authority to terminate the FTC's 2022 administrative order "because X Corp. did not first seek that relief from the Commission itself." But even if the compliance obligations were part of the stipulated order, X "has not identified a change in circumstances that renders the order's safeguards unworkable or contrary to the public interest," the US said.

"In seeking 'relief' from these obligations, X Corp. does not argue that the safeguards to which it consented have become unnecessary or unworkable. Rather, it complains the FTC asked too many questions after Elon Musk acquired the company," the US said. "But the FTC asked questions because of sudden, radical changes at the company: within weeks of the acquisition, half of X Corp.'s employees were terminated or resigned, including key executives in privacy, data security, and compliance roles."

The US said that X's "motion rests on hyperbolic allegations of 'witness tampering' and an investigation 'tainted by bias.'" The reality, according to the government, is that Musk's hasty revamp of Twitter Blue, along with "alarming site outages, product malfunctions, and issues with data access controls," gave the FTC "every reason to seek information about whether these developments signaled a lapse in X Corp.'s compliance."
The article about the server move is worth reading if you want an example of Musk's management style. Here's one bit the FTC cares about:
The servers had user data on them, and James did not initially realize that, for privacy reasons, they were supposed to be wiped clean before being moved. “By the time we learned this, the servers had already been unplugged and rolled out, so there was no way we would roll them back, plug them in, and then wipe them,” he says. Plus, the wiping software wasn’t working. “F---, what do we do?” he asked. Elon recommended that they lock the trucks and track them.
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That quote about the server move is interesting for more then just Musks stupidity. (Really, lock and track the trucks? BIG FUCKING DEAL)

The fact the wiping software wasn't working is interesting. It's not that hard to digital bleach a hard drive. So, why wasn't it working?
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Maybe he forgot to renew the software license?
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It might just be that Musk had fired everyone who knew how to run it. Because software that can wipe drives on a server is something I wouldn't want running without the correct authorization.
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I was figuring some conflict with authorization and file access rights after musk turned everything into a hot mess
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Could also be an issue of cant/wont - if the data is important, and somehow can't be backed up before the server wipe. What options remain - delete it and have it been lost foreever?

That's why you do this kind of operation over weeks and months in our business - the servers are only getting moved once everything is backed up, thrice, then some servers leave the light on - the farm is moved, set up, restored, switched on. Once it is up and running, THEN the last data gets backed up before the 'nightwatch' gets switched offf, wiped and moved to the new location.
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The ADL are vile, being involved in the assassinations of Alex Odeh (who was killed in a bombing in Los Angeles) and Chris Hani (who was shot in South Africa). That said, blaming the fact that advertisers want nothing to do with a site that mollycoddles avowed Nazis like Ian Miles Cheong (among multitudes of others) is David Duke territory -only Duke's facelifts and hair plugs are more convincing than Elon Musk's.

By the way, I just found out that X-twitter banned me this morning for making fun of Tim Gurner. :roll:
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Elfdart wrote: 2023-09-18 03:06pm The ADL are vile, being involved in the assassinations of Alex Odeh (who was killed in a bombing in Los Angeles) and Chris Hani (who was shot in South Africa). That said, blaming the fact that advertisers want nothing to do with a site that mollycoddles avowed Nazis like Ian Miles Cheong (among multitudes of others) on Jews is David Duke territory -only Duke's facelifts and hair plugs are more convincing than Elon Musk's.

By the way, I just found out that X-twitter banned me this morning for making fun of Tim Gurner. :roll:
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Musk and Netanyahu blame “armies of bots” for spreading antisemitism on X
Israeli prime minister praised Musk's "opposition to antisemitism" in X chat.
ASHLEY BELANGER - 9/19/2023, 7:39 AM


Today, Elon Musk and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu livestreamed a discussion largely focused on the future of AI on Musk's platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

According to The New York Times, the talk was arranged at Musk's suggestion, and some perceived it as an attempt by Musk to seek "political cover at a time of rising antisemitism on X." In return, for Netanyahu, the talk seemingly provided an opportunity to deflect from mass protests against Netanyahu's attempts to weaken Israel's Supreme Court. Instead he could be seen promoting his dedication to turning Israel into a tech leader—and possibly even signal that Musk may consider investing in the country's tech, the Times reported.

The livestreamed event started with a one-on-one between Musk and Netanyahu that attracted more than 735,000 views. While much of the one-on-one focused on AI—which Musk claimed was "potentially the biggest civilizational threat" and Netanyahu called "a blessing and a curse"—the men also discussed their views on antisemitism and how Musk deals with hate speech on X.

"I know your commitment to free speech," Netanyahu said about 20 minutes into the talk. "But I also know your opposition to antisemitism. You've spoken about it. You've tweeted about it. And all I could say is, I hope you find within the confines of the First Amendment the ability to stop not only antisemitism, or roll it back as best you can, but any collective hatred of people."

Musk said that he was "sort of against attacking any group" but that defending free speech "does at times mean that there's someone you don't like who's saying something you don't like." However, "that doesn't mean, some sort of negativity should be pushed upon people," Musk said, noting that X couldn't afford to let the platform become "unpleasant," because it would lose users. He said that's why his platform works to de-amplify hate speech when it's detected—"because we think probably that's not what people want to hear."

"Obviously, I'm against antisemitism," Musk said. "I'm against anti-really anything that promotes hate and conflict."

Netanyahu noted that X's policy didn't stop Musk from condemning antisemitism every chance he got. The entire conversation remained strictly agreeable, with Netanyahu's only pushback coming about 25 minutes in. The prime minister asked Musk if it was "technically possible" to limit "armies of bots" from amplifying hate speech on X.

"So at least if you get a crazy guy and a hateful guy, let him be speaking for one voice rather than arming an army of fake millions," Netanyahu suggested.

Musk continued promoting his strategy of charging X users a monthly subscription as "the only way" he can think of "to combat vast armies of bots." He also took this opportunity to announce that X would soon be rolling out a lower-priced subscription tier for X users. According to Musk, the more users pay for subscriptions, the higher the cost of bots would be, and the better chance X will have of preventing bot-driven hate speech, misinformation, and other harm.

Israeli protesters have said that the meeting between Musk and Netanyahu "offers little help to Israel’s economy," The New York Times reported. Michael J. Koplow, an analyst for a New York-based research group called the Israeli Policy Forum, told The New York Times that, instead, it was more about appearances. “Netanyahu is looking for any victories he can get," Koplow said, and Musk "will point to a warm meeting with Netanyahu as a shield against accusations of antisemitism."

The talk remained polite and friendly, with Musk cracking jokes and Netanyahu seemingly carefully steering away when topics got too hot. But there was one point where the prime minister seemed comfortable enough to join Musk in poking fun at the events that led both men to appear side by side on X today.

"It's not an easy thing to be maligned," Netanyahu said. "I know you've never seen that, right?"

Just this weekend, The Guardian reported that Musk stirred up outrage by seeming to stoke antisemitic conspiracy theories about philanthropist George Soros by posting on X that "the Soros organization appears to want nothing less than the destruction of western civilization."

"Me, maligned?" Musk responded during the talk. "Never."

Fighting antisemitism on X

While Netanyahu directly addressed the protesters who for nine months have loudly opposed his efforts to push Israeli judicial reform—describing many of them as misinformed—Musk did not discuss his views on civil rights groups that he has recently attacked as misleading X advertisers by allegedly fear-mongering about rising antisemitism on X. That includes the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which Musk sued in August, and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which Musk threatened to sue earlier this month.

According to The New York Times, an ADL spokesperson said the organization hoped that Musk and Netanyahu's meeting would be "productive" and include a robust discussion of how to combat hate on X. Instead, Netanyahu did not challenge Musk much, perhaps prioritizing allying with Musk to further Israel's tech ambitions.

In a New York Times op-ed published today, former Twitter Trust and Safety Chief Yoel Roth wrote that Musk's "recent targeting of the Anti-Defamation League has shown that he views personal retaliation as an appropriate consequence for any criticism of him or his business interests."

The president of the Union for Reform Judaism, Rabbi Rick Jacobs, joined critics who doubted that Musk meeting with Netanyahu would result in less antisemitism on X. Jacobs told Tte Times that he was "skeptical of such a meeting being able to resolve these issues.”

“It’s important for all of us, including the prime minister of the state of Israel, to loudly and clearly express to Elon Musk that what is happening on his platform is outrageous, and it endangers the lives of the Jewish people,” Jacobs said.
I'm not sure which would be worse, that Netanyahu hasn't been paying attention to Musk boosting antisemitism, or that he has and still thought this talk was a good idea.
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bilateralrope wrote: 2023-09-19 04:36am
I'm not sure which would be worse, that Netanyahu hasn't been paying attention to Musk boosting antisemitism, or that he has and still thought this talk was a good idea.
Netanyahu's far right faction benefit from ordinary Israelis feeling scared, defensive and hoping for a strong man figure. They benefit from rising tensions and increased psychologicsl pressure on left wing opponents. They benefit by muddying the water by cosying up to plausible anti-leftist strong men who aren't overtly anti-Semitic themselves. "Stand with us and our allies or face the uncertain neo naxi threat alone".
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Elon wants to pay wall Twitter.

I wonder if he even gives a shit anymore.
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bobalot wrote: 2023-09-25 08:43am Elon wants to pay wall Twitter.

I wonder if he even gives a shit anymore.
I think the issue isn't that he doesn't care, but more that he's so divorced from reality that he can't no longer understand how people act in the real world instead he's basing his goals on his personal fantasies.
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Or, he's planning on letting people pay, and then banning 'abusers', but not refunding anything they paid.

In the short term, he makes it attractive for 'problematic' users, they pay up, then they rip them off X/$$$ly.
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Well I've already decided "fuck that" when Photobucket pulled the same shit. I guess Twitter really is broke after all. :wanker:
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I wonder if archive.org would be affected by a paywall? I've had a few cases of wanting to read old tweets and found that archive.org is the best way to do it. As much as Twitter sucks there has been a bit of interesting information posted there over the years.
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