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Broomstick wrote: 2022-06-17 04:31am
LadyTevar wrote: 2022-06-15 10:31am Did they think no one would speak out about it?
They think the speaking out won't matter.
I'm unclear on whether the propaganda being referenced is for domestic or international consumption, but if it's the former they presumably also believe (accurately) that between state control of media and the language/culture barrier any counter narrative won't gain traction.
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One of my friends noted that Macron is for victory when he needs a domestic win, and for peace when he thinks it can get him a Nobel prize, which is still better than the slow-walking the Germans have done.
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Ralin wrote: 2022-06-17 06:50am
Broomstick wrote: 2022-06-17 04:31am
LadyTevar wrote: 2022-06-15 10:31am Did they think no one would speak out about it?
They think the speaking out won't matter.
I'm unclear on whether the propaganda being referenced is for domestic or international consumption, but if it's the former they presumably also believe (accurately) that between state control of media and the language/culture barrier any counter narrative won't gain traction.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all if it came to light that the Russian authorities believed no one outside of the Russian Federation understood Russian or at very least those ethnic Russians who still spoke/wrote the language were 100% Loyal to the current government even though they lived outside of Russia and you have to be ethnic Russian to know Russian language since "obviously" no non-Russian would ever be able to learn it or would even want to learn Russian.
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Lord Revan wrote: 2022-06-17 10:20am
Ralin wrote: 2022-06-17 06:50am
Broomstick wrote: 2022-06-17 04:31am
They think the speaking out won't matter.
I'm unclear on whether the propaganda being referenced is for domestic or international consumption, but if it's the former they presumably also believe (accurately) that between state control of media and the language/culture barrier any counter narrative won't gain traction.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me at all if it came to light that the Russian authorities believed no one outside of the Russian Federation understood Russian or at very least those ethnic Russians who still spoke/wrote the language were 100% Loyal to the current government even though they lived outside of Russia and you have to be ethnic Russian to know Russian language since "obviously" no non-Russian would ever be able to learn it or would even want to learn Russian.
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Boris Johnson cancels summit with northern Tories and meets Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in Kyiv.
Boris Johnson has cancelled a meeting with northern Tories and flown to Kyiv for a summit with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The PM was expected to give a speech at a meeting of the Northern Research Group (NRG) in Doncaster but dropped out at the last minute without explanation.

Downing Street has now explained that his appearance at the NRG conference was cancelled so he could meet Ukraine's leader.

In a statement, Number 10 said he "offered to launch a major training operation for Ukrainian forces, with the potential to train up to 10,000 soldiers every 120 days".

No 10 said international partners would be invited to host the programme, if the offer is accepted by Ukraine.

Video shared by Ukrainian government showed Mr Zelenskyy welcoming the prime minister to his presidential palace with a “hi, Boris” as he arrived.

Andriy Yermak, head of the Office of the President of Ukraine described Mr Johnson as a "good friend and ally" in a tweet, adding: “With Boris, we discussed the much-needed heavy weapons and air defence systems supplies, economic support for Ukraine, increasing sanctions pressure on RF.”

Mr Johnson posted a photograph with himself and his Ukrainian counterpart on Twitter, along with the caption: "Mr President, Volodymyr, it is good to be in Kyiv again."

While in the Ukrainian capital the pair held a joint press conference, in which he paid tribute to the Ukrainian forces as he again pledged Britain’s support in their fight to drive out the Russian invaders.

Speaking alongside President Zelensky, the PM said the Ukrainians had inflicted heavy losses on the Russians.

“If Ukrainian troops are suffering then I have to tell you all the evidence is that Putin’s troops are under acute pressure themselves and they are taking heavy casualties,” he said.

Mr Johnson is clearly popular among the leadership in Ukraine but critics have accused him of using his close relationship with Mr Zelenskyy to distract from the intense political pressure he is under back home.

The PM's ethics adviser quit on Wednesday in protest and there are two by-elections next week in seats previously held by Tories before they resigned, which the Conservative Party is widely expected to lose.

Lord Geidt, his former independent adviser on ministerial standards, told the prime minister in a letter that he was “disappointed” that the prime minister did not give a fuller account over how paying the fixed penalty notice did not breach the code.

He resigned over a separate issue, saying he was asked to consider measures that “risk a deliberate and purposeful breach of the ministerial code".

“I can have no part in this”, Lord Geidt said in his resignation letter.

In a statement after his unannounced visit to Ukraine was revealed, Mr Johnson said: “My visit today, in the depths of this war, is to send a clear and simple message to the Ukrainian people: the UK is with you, and we will be with you until you ultimately prevail.

“As Ukrainian soldiers fire UK missiles in defence of your nation’s sovereignty, they do so also in defence of the very freedoms we take for granted.
Shame they won't be ready by 24th of August, that would be a poetic if predictable time to launch a major counteroffensive :wink:
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Ukraine conflict: MoD confirm destruction of Russian vessel near Snake Island as Ukrainian forces 'neutralise Russia's ability to establish sea control'.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) have confirmed Ukrainian forces destroyed a Russian resupply vessel near Snake Island

Ukrainian forces claimed that a Russian vessel carrying air defences had been struck off of Snake Island.

The navy said the Vasily Bekh was used to transport ammunition, weapons and personnel to Snake Island

The MoD have now confirmed that the forces were using Western-donated Harpoon anti-ship missiles – with the incident being the first successful use of such weapons in the conflict.

An update from the MoD read: “On 17 June 2022, Ukrainian forces claimed their first successful use of Western-donated Harpoon anti-ship missiles to engage Russian maritime forces.

"The target of the attack was almost certainly the Russian naval tug Spasatel Vasily Bekh, which was delivering weapons and personnel to Snake Island in the north-western Black Sea.

"The destruction of the Russian vessel on a resupply mission demonstrates the difficulty Russia faces when attempting to support their forces occupying Snake Island.

"This is the latest in a series of Russian vessels, including the cruiser Moskva, to be damaged or destroyed by Ukraine during the conflict."

It added: “Ukrainian coastal defence capability has largely neutralised Russia's ability to establish sea control and project maritime force in the north-western Black Sea.

"This has undermined the viability of Russia's original operational design for the invasion, which involved holding the Odesa region at risk from the sea.”

The Ukrainian president has told the African Union that the continent has been “taken hostage” in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine amid catastrophically rising food prices.

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President Volodymyr Zelensky’s closed-door speech followed weeks of requests for him to address African nations.

Many of them retain close ties to Russia and failed to support a UN General Assembly resolution condemning the invasion.

Ukraine and the West hope to weaken those ties by emphasising that Russia’s actions are to blame for dramatic shortages of wheat and edible oils and skyrocketing food and fuel prices across Africa.

Russia is the largest weapons exporter to sub-Saharan Africa, and Moscow emphasises its long ties with African nations dating to the Soviet Union.

The EU’s top diplomat said he has written to all African foreign ministers to explain that the bloc’s sanctions on Russia are not responsible for the looming global food crisis.
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Russia's war on Ukraine creating 'extremely dire situation' for availability of food worldwide.
The world is facing "an extremely dire situation".

That's the stark warning from the World Food Programme, as they urgently expand their operations across the so-called "bread basket of Europe".

Not only are they in Ukraine supporting the millions of people whose lives have been disrupted by this war, but also to help solve one the of the world's most critical problems - a man-made global food crisis.

Ukraine provides roughly 10% of the world's wheat exports, and more than half of its sunflower oil, with around 400 million people across every continent relying on its produce.

The war in Ukraine is creating a "dire situation" for the world's food availability, says World Food Programme (WFP) Deputy Emergency Co-ordinator Matthew Dee in Odesa

That's something Vladimir Putin knows only too well, and since the war began, Russia has been attacking grain silos and farmers' fields, seizing Ukrainian farmland, and - most disruptively of all - blockading the vital ports of the Black Sea.

Over the past four months, Ukrainian grain exports have decreased by more than two-thirds, and agricultural storage capacity is down to a quarter of what it once was.

Farmer Volodomyr Verbanets, who lives outside the port city of Odesa, should be preparing his own warehouse for this year's harvest.

Instead, it's full of last year's stock, some of it already starting to spoil.

At best he says he might get half the price for it that he did last time - by no means adequate given skyrocketing fuel costs - but he's not optimistic even for that, unless the world finds a way to open the ports.

With the sea surrounding Odesa now filled with mines, and Putin standing firm that he will lift the blockade only if Western sanctions on Russia are eased, leaders around the world are scrambling to provide alternative solutions to store this year's crop on the Ukrainian border, and export at least some of the grain by truck or railway.

But aside from issues of quantity - it would take around a million trucks to export all the produce currently waiting to leave Ukraine - for areas close to the frontline, even land exports are unrealistic.

"Nobody wants to go to our region by truck because it's too dangerous, the drivers just don't want to come," explains Vitaliy Kim, the governor of Mykolaiv.

What help do they need?

"Brave drivers," he says.

But not just drivers. Farmers in his region, like Volodomyr Onyschuk, also face safety concerns for the workers who are about to plough the fields.

"Firstly, there's an air threat, so no one is safe unfortunately, as we are still being shelled.

"The other issue is unexploded munitions in the field - we've collected many of those already too," he tells us, showing photos of Russian ordnance found on his land.

The war in Ukraine is pushing up food prices globally, says WFP Deputy Emergency Co-ordinator Matthew Dee in Odesa, leaving many people unable to afford to eat

For farmers like Volodomyr though, this year's harvest is worth every risk, and not just for Ukraine.

"If we don't get enough money for this year's crop, then no one will be able to plant next year's" he explains.

"This will cause serious issues in the world, like famine in Asia and Africa."

"This is also a kind of frontline", he adds.

"We know that we are doing something important when we decide to go into the fields and work under these circumstances."
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Oh, this can be interesting.
Russian attack helicopters (Mi-8) simulated attack against Estonian territory while flying very close to the Estonian border and also violated Estonian airspace. I wonder what would happen if Estonian forces targeted that helicopter with something active as soon as it entered Estonian airspace, but not shooting at it.

https://news.sky.com/story/estonia-says ... e-12638006
Estonia has accused Russia of violating its airspace for the first time by helicopter, in a highly provocative move ahead of a major NATO summit.

The Baltic state, a member of the NATO alliance, also said ongoing Russian military exercises are simulating missile strikes against its country daily.

"This is the picture of the threat. How we see the Russian threat… It has never been as serious as it is now," said Kusti Salm, the top civil servant at the Estonian defence ministry, speaking to journalists on Tuesday.

The hostile activity emerged as Russia is locked in a heated exchange with Lithuania, another Baltic state and fierce critic of Vladimir Putin's regime, over a decision by Vilnius to block the transit by rail of certain sanctioned goods to the Russian territory of Kaliningrad.

It also came just days before the heads of state and government of the 30-strong NATO alliance meet for a landmark summit in Madrid, where they are set to present plans for a fundamental reshaping of their defences in the wake of Russia's war in Ukraine.

Estonia said it has summoned the Russian ambassador to Tallinn to protest at the flight path of the MI-8 border guard helicopter, which it said entered Estonian airspace for two minutes without permission on Saturday evening.

The incident took place in the southern Koidula area, not far from the Russian city of Pskov, according to a statement from Estonia's military.

Mr Salm said there had been "multiple border violations by helicopters" from Russia over the past week.


He said one helicopter had crossed the border, while another flew very close. He described these helicopter incidents as having happened "several times in the region".

The senior Estonian civil servant said: "Getting over the border with a helicopter cannot be a mistake - there have been multiple examples in recent days.

"Beside the border actions, there have been provocative actions flying very near the vicinity of the border in the last days."

Russia is also conducting military exercises that include simulating missile strikes on its Baltic neighbour.

"It is real life. They are actually simulating missiles attacks against NATO territory and letting us know that they are doing this," Mr Salm said.
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I wonder what bullshit excuse Russia came up with in response, if any.

Ukraine accepted as EU candidate member.
The European Union has agreed to make Ukraine a candidate for EU membership, setting in motion a potentially years-long process.

Ukraine applied for EU membership less than a week after Moscow invaded on February 24.

The decision by the leaders of the 27-nation bloc to grant Ukraine candidate status on Thursday was uncharacteristically rapid for the EU - but the war and Ukraine's request for fast-track consideration lent urgency to its cause.

The EU also granted candidate status to Moldova, which borders Ukraine.

Gaining membership could take years or even decades.

Countries must meet a detailed host of economic and political conditions, including a commitment to the rule of law and other democratic principles.

Ukraine will have to curb government corruption and adopt other reforms.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy tweeted his gratitude and declared: “Ukraine’s future is within the EU.”

Ukraine has long aspired to join NATO, too, but the military alliance is not about to offer an invitation, in part because of governmental corruption, shortcomings in the country's defence establishment, and its contested borders.

Before the war, Russian President Vladimir Putin demanded that Ukraine never be allowed to join NATO, which he has condemned for its eastward spread toward Russia's flank.

But earlier this month, he did not seem bothered by Ukraine's determination to get closer to the EU, saying it is not a military pact and thus “we have no objections.”
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Sweden and Finland to join Nato after Turkey U-turns and backs their bid.
Turkey has U-turned on its opposition to Sweden and Finland joining Nato in a breakthrough top-level meeting, paving the way for the Nordic countries to join the military alliance.

Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine prompted the two nations to abandon their long-held non-aligned status and apply to join Nato, as protection against an increasingly aggressive and unpredictable Russia - which shares a long border with Finland.

But Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had blocked the move, insisting the Nordic pair must change their stance on Kurdish rebel groups that Turkey considers terrorists before it would back them joining.

Countries can only join Nato if all current members agree.

After urgent talks in Madrid on Tuesday, the alliance's Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, said: “We now have an agreement that paves the way for Finland and Sweden to join Nato.”

Finnish President Sauli Niinistö said the three countries’ leaders signed a joint agreement after talks on Tuesday.

Turkey said it had “got what it wanted” including “full cooperation" in "the fight against” the rebel groups.

Mr Stoltenberg said leaders of the 30-nation alliance will issue a formal invitation to the two countries to join on Wednesday.

The decision has to be ratified by all individual nations, but he said he was “absolutely confident” Finland and Sweden would become members, something that could happen within months.

The move is not without risk for Finland and Sweden. Russia previously warned that if the two Nordic nations join Nato, they would instantly transform from neutral into hostile countries and "potential targets" for Russia.

Why has Turkey reversed its opposition?

Turkey hailed Tuesday’s agreement as a triumph, saying the Nordic nations had agreed to crack down on groups that Ankara deems national security threats, including the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, and its Syrian extension.

It said they also agreed “not to impose embargo restrictions in the field of defence industry” on Turkey and to take “concrete steps on the extradition of terrorist criminals".

Turkey has demanded that Finland and Sweden extradite wanted individuals and lift arms restrictions imposed after Turkey’s 2019 military incursion into northeast Syria.

Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde told reporters that “all the parties showed an incredible willingness to get there and were constructive and we made it clear that we take these concerns about terrorist attacks... seriously.”

Turkey, in turn, agreed “to support at the 2022 Madrid Summit the invitation of Finland and Sweden to become members of Nato”.

A senior administration official said Washington played a crucial role in helping bring the two parties closer together, with President Joe Biden speaking with Erdogan on Tuesday morning at the behest of Sweden and Finland to help encourage the talks.

Why have Sweden and Finland decided to join Nato now?

Sweden, once a regional military power, has avoided military alliances since the end of the Napoleonic Wars.

Like Finland, it remained neutral throughout the Cold War, but formed closer relations with Nato after the 1991 Soviet collapse.

They no longer see themselves as neutral after joining the European Union in 1995, but have remained non-aligned militarily until now.

After being firmly against Nato membership for decades, public opinion in both countries shifted following Russia's February 24 invasion of Ukraine, with record levels of support for joining the alliance.

Under Nato treaties, an attack on any single member would be considered an attack against all and trigger a military response by the entire alliance.
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Turkey hasn't u turned. They've got what they wanted out of it.
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Crazedwraith wrote: 2022-06-28 06:13pm Turkey hasn't u turned. They've got what they wanted out of it.
To me it looks like Finland and Sweden let Baby Erdoğan have his bottle, unless there's more to it than what the article stated.
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