Trump, Russia, and golden showers

[Flagg]

If the alleged video does exist, the FSB would have gotten the prostitutes to stay quiet about it once Der Donald threw his combover in the 2016 clusterhump.

I mean,it wouldn't have been guarded like nuclear launch codes in the 2013-2015 timeframe, but Trump was politically important enough then for the FSB to pay a reasonable amount/cajole/threaten the prostitutes (or their pimps) to stay quiet about it.

Honestly, Trump being a whores toilet wouldn't be a disqualifyer IMO. Falls under personal bullshit.

Being pissed on or hiring others to be pissed on isn't the problem.

Being filmed doing it by the Russian security services is the problem.

True.

[Pelranius]

Holy shit, celebrated rightwing toilet paper "The Seattle Times" is demanding an investigation into the Russian election shenanigans (if any, I'm leaning towards believing it but with the huge caveat that don't see any legal or sane method of dealing with it should it have taken place) and is calling the allegations, if true, no less than an act of war.

So there's no legal method short of impeaching Trump (and Pence) with convictions giving us President Eddie Munster Paul Ryan, and the insane method being to declare it an act of war. Because war never changes.*

*Sorry, I know Fallout sucks.

That depends on when the impeachment votes happens. If the scandals only starts blowing up in 2018 and affected the midterms, we could end up with President Pelosi (enough GOP senators might defect to reach the magic 67 number, depending exactly on what was dug up, and what antics Putin has been up to since).

Or get Pence to resign first, and put in an acceptable independent as Veep (Mattis?) before Der Donald bites it (the problem is that he'll probably have to be dragged out of the White House physically/the nuclear football will have to be pulled out of Trump Tower, though the fallout of that is just likely to be national embarrassment. It's not like he has a private army or anything).

Yeah, any specifics will need to be dealt with at the time. But if you have a Democratic House you have no Impeachment because the White Supremacist Party wouldn't give up the WH if Trump was on camera porking a hog while eating (and feeding the hog) pounds of bacon whispering "I love your ass Mama June!"

Honestly, I think that Ryan would insist on a new VP to replace Pence first if Der Donald and the Indiana Underperformer both had to leave (sure Ryan could be POTUS, but chances are that he'd be hard pressed to make it through the 2020 Republican primary, never mind the general, since going to the Oval Office that way would make him look like the Frank Underwood knockoff from an Asylum Studios (sp)/MadTv crossover. It's much safer to install some widely respected placeholder with no further politiccal ambition to become replacement POTUS in that case, doubly so if we end up in a recession in the next four years/the Obamacare repeal blows up).

[Pelranius]

If the alleged video does exist, the FSB would have gotten the prostitutes to stay quiet about it once Der Donald threw his combover in the 2016 clusterhump.

I mean,it wouldn't have been guarded like nuclear launch codes in the 2013-2015 timeframe, but Trump was politically important enough then for the FSB to pay a reasonable amount/cajole/threaten the prostitutes (or their pimps) to stay quiet about it.

Honestly, Trump being a whores toilet wouldn't be a disqualifyer IMO. Falls under personal bullshit.

TBH, the wording in the dossier sounded like Trump watching (sitting on a chair, perhaps) said prostitutes pee on the Obama bed in the Ritz Carlton.

(Which incidentally knocks a few holes in the "I'm a germaphobe" defense he put out on Wednesday).

[Flagg]

That depends on when the impeachment votes happens. If the scandals only starts blowing up in 2018 and affected the midterms, we could end up with President Pelosi (enough GOP senators might defect to reach the magic 67 number, depending exactly on what was dug up, and what antics Putin has been up to since).

Or get Pence to resign first, and put in an acceptable independent as Veep (Mattis?) before Der Donald bites it (the problem is that he'll probably have to be dragged out of the White House physically/the nuclear football will have to be pulled out of Trump Tower, though the fallout of that is just likely to be national embarrassment. It's not like he has a private army or anything).

Yeah, any specifics will need to be dealt with at the time. But if you have a Democratic House you have no Impeachment because the White Supremacist Party wouldn't give up the WH if Trump was on camera porking a hog while eating (and feeding the hog) pounds of bacon whispering "I love your ass Mama June!"

Honestly, I think that Ryan would insist on a new VP to replace Pence first if Der Donald and the Indiana Underperformer both had to leave (sure Ryan could be POTUS, but chances are that he'd be hard pressed to make it through the 2020 Republican primary, never mind the general, since going to the Oval Office that way would make him look like the Frank Underwood knockoff from an Asylum Studios (sp)/MadTv crossover. It's much safer to install some widely respected placeholder with no further politiccal ambition to become replacement POTUS in that case, doubly so if we end up in a recession in the next four years/the Obamacare repeal blows up).

I don't think anyone in DC save a very select few would turn down the Presidency. Power is like opium only more fun because you can have your enemies actually destroyed rather than just hoping their life falls to ruin (since I think Empathy is in very short supply in our teetering Republics capital.).

[Pelranius]

Well, it depends on whether Ryan fancies his chances of taking office in say 2017-18 and winning reelection*, or winning two full terms in 2020 (or after). I really can't say for sure.

*If impeachment comes in 2017 or 2018, he can't run again in 2024 if reelected in 2020.

[Flagg]

Well, it depends on whether Ryan fancies his chances of taking office in say 2017-18 and winning reelection*, or winning two full terms in 2020 (or after). I really can't say for sure.

*If impeachment comes in 2017 or 2018, he can't run again in 2024 if reelected in 2020.

The funny thing is that even though I think it's very unlikely Donnie Douchebag will be impeached (even with a Democratic House and a Democratic supermajority in the Senate) I can't ever recall serious talk of impeaching a President-Erlect weeks before they are sworn in.

[Vendetta]

TBH, the wording in the dossier sounded like Trump watching (sitting on a chair, perhaps) said prostitutes pee on the Obama bed in the Ritz Carlton.

(Which incidentally knocks a few holes in the "I'm a germaphobe" defense he put out on Wednesday).

PS urine is also sterile anyway. Unless you have a UTI there are less germs in piss than tapwater. In fact, urea kills bacteria, so it's probably right up a germophobe's alley (metaphorical or otherwise).

[Tribble]

Well, it depends on whether Ryan fancies his chances of taking office in say 2017-18 and winning reelection*, or winning two full terms in 2020 (or after). I really can't say for sure.

*If impeachment comes in 2017 or 2018, he can't run again in 2024 if reelected in 2020.

The funny thing is that even though I think it's very unlikely Donnie Douchebag will be impeached (even with a Democratic House and a Democratic supermajority in the Senate) I can't ever recall serious talk of impeaching a President-Erlect weeks before they are sworn in.

Well Trump Is trying to break all records and be the most (in)famous president ever right? I suppose he figures that if he isn't pissing off at least one group of people per day, he's not doing his job.

[Flagg]

TBH, the wording in the dossier sounded like Trump watching (sitting on a chair, perhaps) said prostitutes pee on the Obama bed in the Ritz Carlton.

(Which incidentally knocks a few holes in the "I'm a germaphobe" defense he put out on Wednesday).

PS urine is also sterile anyway. Unless you have a UTI there are less germs in piss than tapwater. In fact, urea kills bacteria, so it's probably right up a germophobe's alley (metaphorical or otherwise).

What if the piss was up Paul Ryan's poop chute and evacuated onto Saint Donald of Douchebag?

Excuse me while I write that down for Hav to draw.

[Solauren]

Let's face facts.

if ANY of this shit was true, in todays world, it would have been talked about way before now.

"Boss, Donald Trump just paid me $10,000 to Pee on him!"
"Really? Time to sell that store to the tabloids....."

I doubt it. Look at former fatty pedophile porn pudd puller Jared Fogle from SublegalWay. He was doing that shit for years. Hell, look at R Kelly (but don't do a google image search at work).

There is a marked difference between someone downloading something on their computer in private (Jared) and someone paying someone else to pee on them.

No one knew about Jared's crap, cause it he did not interact face to face with people while doing it.

Paying someone to piss on you kinda of requires person to person interaction.

[General Zod]

Let's face facts.

if ANY of this shit was true, in todays world, it would have been talked about way before now.

Because powerful men never bully people into silence?

[Simon_Jester]

With the original Al Qaeda defunct, it is far from obvious that there's anyone actually planning terrorist attacks on that scale against the US. Al Qaeda basically succeeded in reaching Step Two of their plan, although they as an organization didn't survive to see it happen.

Thing is, Step Two wasn't to just hit the US harder than in Step One. It was to bring about the rise of a mass of movements scattered widely throughout the Islamic world, all of which adopt radical Sunni views and all of which are violently opposed to Western cultural influence.

We have ISIS now. Al Quaeda is soooo 2005!

That's kind of the point. ISIS doesn't operate quite the same way Al Qaeda does.

They do seem to be putting at least some effort into terrorist attacks in Europe, but it costs them effectively nothing to do so, since those nations (especially France) have a huge, conveniently pre-radicalized population of disaffected Muslims that the French have been trying to ostracize for decades. They're not pouring their resources into organizing a cell structure to launch terrorist operations in the US, because there's no point- they've got a war to fight closer to home.

I suspect ISIS doesn't really want the US getting directly involved against them, any more so than it already is, because they ARE trying to fight a war in Syria and Iraq, and if the war gets much harder for them they might lose.

Let's face facts.

if ANY of this shit was true, in todays world, it would have been talked about way before now.

"Boss, Donald Trump just paid me $10,000 to Pee on him!"
"Really? Time to sell that store to the tabloids....."

Trump owns some of the tabloids (as illustrated by the National Enquirer's headlines during and since the election), and has a history of suing the pants off of people whenever possible. So honestly, they might have just sat on the whole thing.

Especially since expensive prostitutes almost certainly have a history of NOT randomly blackmailing clients. It's not a job that's likely to work out well for indiscreet people.

[Flagg]

Let's face facts.

if ANY of this shit was true, in todays world, it would have been talked about way before now.

"Boss, Donald Trump just paid me $10,000 to Pee on him!"
"Really? Time to sell that store to the tabloids....."

I doubt it. Look at former fatty pedophile porn pudd puller Jared Fogle from SublegalWay. He was doing that shit for years. Hell, look at R Kelly (but don't do a google image search at work).

There is a marked difference between someone downloading something on their computer in private (Jared) and someone paying someone else to pee on them.

No one knew about Jared's crap, cause it he did not interact face to face with people while doing it.

Paying someone to piss on you kinda of requires person to person interaction.

Yeah, not necessarily. I'd gladly pee on Donald Trump. Hell, I'd pay him!

But also, one is illegal and one is FUCKING ILLEGAL!!!

But like has been said, Donnie T-Bag is in the "celebrity x got a tit job, what a slutty whore, she and her combined name celebrity boy toy are breaking up! We've been saying so for 30 months, it MUST be true THIS Time!!!" Business, so I assume he can keep a lid on shit like that until he breaks through the great glass Wonkavator he stole.

[FireNexus]

The bigger point is that said hookers would never have really been in Trump's employ. They have been in the employ of a guy known to be ready, willing and able to end anyone inconvenient to him anywhere in the world. Going public with that early would mean anything that hooker ever ate at any future date could be the thing that kills her.

No risk of someone talking before it was useful as kompromat, in this hypothetical.

[FireNexus]

Let's face facts.

if ANY of this shit was true, in todays world, it would have been talked about way before now.

Because powerful men never bully people into silence?

Powerful Russian men with a history of unaccountably assassinating people who made themselves difficult, too. Those hookers would have taken Trump's money. They wouldn't have been really working for him, though.

But such threats wouldn't have been necessary. Those ladies playing nice probably meant they got a cushy new job with benefits and all their worries taken care of going forward. Putin is as much carrot as stick where it serves his interests to be. And having those girls around if it ever came time to intentionally drop the pee bomb would have been ideal.

[Pelranius]

It strikes me, that if Putin really does have blackmail information, and he doesn't see a change in American-Russian relations to his liking (whether due to Congressional oversight or Der Donald chickening out), he could just release all the information to create a period of extended chaos in the American political scene, and by extension, international policymaking and operations.

[Raj Ahten]

I still have daily bouts of astonishment over Trumps statements around Russia. He couldn't do a better job of convincing everyone that he's being blackmailed given how obsequious to Russian interests he has been so far. I'm still curious to see what Trump is going to give Putin and what marvelous deal he will get in return. So far all it is two assholes agreeably sniffing around each other's assholes.

My best guess is an end to US sanctions in exchange for some bullshit alliance against ISIS that amounts to what's already being done as far as deconflicting in the region. Also some events that make Donald look good such as participation in Russia's version of the peace process. If Putin is really lucky he will have Crimea acknowledged as his for nothing, but more likely things will just start to move that way after the spheres of influence are decided.

[Pelranius]

Putin might not even get the sanctions to end. McCain could just fold them into the next National Defense Authorization Act, and Putin and Trump are sh*t of luck (though this is Trump we're talking about, so he might try to veto it anyways).

[Napoleon the Clown]

Trump's groveling before Putin would disqualify him in Republican eyes were in not for the fact that they've fallen in love with KGB Dobby during Obama's administration.

Their party/ideology before country behavior has become so extreme that I would honestly not be surprised if they ignored Trump handing state secrets over to Donald Trump. The Donald would need to literally and blatantly allow Russia to attack American soil, or attack an American embassy. Like, allowing Russia to annex Alaska ("Alaska's closer to Russia than the lower 48! Russia has a better claim, we don't need it. Nothing there!") levels of bowing to Russia's whims.

[Pelranius]

Trump's groveling before Putin would disqualify him in Republican eyes were in not for the fact that they've fallen in love with KGB Dobby during Obama's administration.

Their party/ideology before country behavior has become so extreme that I would honestly not be surprised if they ignored Trump handing state secrets over to Donald Trump. The Donald would need to literally and blatantly allow Russia to attack American soil, or attack an American embassy. Like, allowing Russia to annex Alaska ("Alaska's closer to Russia than the lower 48! Russia has a better claim, we don't need it. Nothing there!") levels of bowing to Russia's whims.

The idiot commentariat might, but enough of the Congressional Republicans hate Putin that they'll happily hang any monkey business on Trump Tower's door.

[Flagg]

Trump's groveling before Putin would disqualify him in Republican eyes were in not for the fact that they've fallen in love with KGB Dobby during Obama's administration.

Their party/ideology before country behavior has become so extreme that I would honestly not be surprised if they ignored Trump handing state secrets over to Donald Trump. The Donald would need to literally and blatantly allow Russia to attack American soil, or attack an American embassy. Like, allowing Russia to annex Alaska ("Alaska's closer to Russia than the lower 48! Russia has a better claim, we don't need it. Nothing there!") levels of bowing to Russia's whims.

The idiot commentariat might, but enough of the Congressional Republicans hate Putin that they'll happily hang any monkey business on Trump Tower's door.

We hope. Then again, they may fully embrace it should Code Name: Pussygrabber somehow become beloved by the great, unwashed, Twitter-Brained masses should they begin confusing rude douchebaggery with tell-it-like-it-is-ism and he becomes the next Reagan aka "Old, Ignorant, Corrupt, and Deranged".

[Raj Ahten]

Putin might not even get the sanctions to end. McCain could just fold them into the next National Defense Authorization Act, and Putin and Trump are sh*t of luck (though this is Trump we're talking about, so he might try to veto it anyways).

Well we can certainly hope that's how things will work out. The Trump Putin New world order doesn't seem to offer a whole lot except repression of Muslims and kleptocracy. Still I'd lay my money on most I of the GOP doing whatever Donald wants as long as he signs their bills and appoints wingnuts to the courts. His pro Russia stance is very much on the fringe in America though so it is still a big question mark how the wind will blow.

[FireNexus]

TBH, the wording in the dossier sounded like Trump watching (sitting on a chair, perhaps) said prostitutes pee on the Obama bed in the Ritz Carlton.

(Which incidentally knocks a few holes in the "I'm a germaphobe" defense he put out on Wednesday).

PS urine is also sterile anyway. Unless you have a UTI there are less germs in piss than tapwater. In fact, urea kills bacteria, so it's probably right up a germophobe's alley (metaphorical or otherwise).

Urine isn't sterile. It was thought to be for a long time because the types of bacteria that like to live in it are difficult to culture.