2016 US ELECTION: Official Results Thread

[mr friendly guy]

I wonder what the Chinese government would think, although they are most probably too reserved to say what they really think publicly.

I can answer that because the state run Xinhua News Agency was kind enough to tell us that Trump is what happens when you let the common people vote. As opposed to the party's benevolent authoritarian leadership of course.

Actually, I am going to ask for a link to Xinhua in English saying this, and it should be possible since Xinhua publishes in English. I have seen so many Western media take and spin Chinese statements to derive the opposite meaning, heck this was mentioned on spacebattles a few months ago.

xinhua in march
At best it says "Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers said in a recent article: "Trump's rise does illustrate how democratic processes can lose their way and turn dangerously toxic when there is intense economic frustration and widespread apprehension about the future." So they quoted someone else, and even if Xinhua agrees 100% with the quote, its hardly revolutionary thinking or inaccurate.

I haven't found any more recent xinhua articles in the last 24 hours using a quick google search which gives an opinion piece, as opposed to reporting that Trump won.

The link you linked to above could not even be half arsed to link to the original Chinese website which supposedly said this. Which automatically raises my bullshit meter, because I have just seen too many Western news articles on China fall flat when you look deeper. In fact high school students should study western reports on China to learn how to craft a narrative.

[MKSheppard]

The Democrats have pretty much ruined everything for themselves by being so pompous and sure of themselves.

Due to their inaction arrogance, we now have trump president, and have ensured a conservative supreme court.

I've long stopped caring for politics a while ago because of the constant hypocrisy involved on each sides.

If only they'd run Sanders. He had enough credibility to deflect/blunt any attack on him from gun vectors, since he had a history of not you know, being hyper extreme on them (unusual for a democrat).

No, Team Hillary and the DNC had to double down on ATTACK PLAN ALPHA via rigging the primaries etc against Bern to ensure her ultimate coronation.

Looks like I owe the NRA a decent donation, because while almost everyone in the right leaning establishment was running from Trump or sabotaging him actively, the NRA rolled a Hard Six and went all in for Trump.

[The Jester]

The Democrats have pretty much ruined everything for themselves by being so pompous and sure of themselves.

Due to their inaction arrogance, we now have trump president, and have ensured a conservative supreme court.

I've long stopped caring for politics a while ago because of the constant hypocrisy involved on each sides.

I believe this is what voter suppression is supposed to feel like.

[mr friendly guy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKP_lPiqpc

The reaction from Putin's mouthpiece.

If gloating satisfaction was an energy source, CrossTalk staff would power up a country.

Whether he will be good for peace as RT talks about (presumably due to him being isolationist or having a bromance with Putin), remains to be seen.

[Broomstick]

I'm getting fucking tired of the media's talking heads nattering on about "political upsets" and "stunners". No, you stupid fucks, as soon as Trump got the Republican nomination there was a very real possibility that he would win. Part of the reason he did so was the arrogance of Hillary supporters who thought it was in the bag for their candidate. It wasn't.

[Ziggy Stardust]

There's a lot more than arrogance/complacency involved, and I think it's a bit naive to say otherwise. This WAS a gigantic political upset, in that in winning Trump has utterly destroyed myriad conventions and traditions of our system. It wasn't JUST Hillary supporters saying she'd win, it was scientific analysis of polling data courtesy of Nate Silver, too. There is a very real and deep issue (most likely a demographic one) that, quite simply, nobody saw coming. Sure, there was arrogance/complacency in thinking that Hillary had in the bag, but any reasonable person who saw the numbers before yesterday would have rightly considered her the favorite.

[cosmicalstorm]

Um no Ziggy.
Plenty of people did see it coming.

I was one of them, I posted about it a few times on this board, got a lot of shit in return for even mentioning the possibility existed.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

I'm getting fucking tired of the media's talking heads nattering on about "political upsets" and "stunners". No, you stupid fucks, as soon as Trump got the Republican nomination there was a very real possibility that he would win. Part of the reason he did so was the arrogance of Hillary supporters who thought it was in the bag for their candidate. It wasn't.

Yes indeed. After sleeping on it, I don't think that this was really an upset, and it wasn't all that stunning. The incumbent party tends to lose the White House after holding it for two terms thanks to the inherent distrust the average American voter has for the instruments of federal government. If one looks at the number of state legislatures and governor's chairs the GOP holds, one could see that they've been patiently accumulating power from the bottom up; and can understand the motivation behind their, uh, brilliant strategy of simply running out the clock on Obama. They helped create the perception that Obama and the Democrats haven't really done much to address the immediate concerns of American people. So running on the legacy of Obama wasn't going to help the Democrats. Proposing more of the same "Uncle Sam knows best" policies and ideas wasn't going to help the Democrats ... Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would've have saved the Democrats.

Their only hope was to turn out the Obama coalition. Hillary Clinton wasn't the candidate for that job. Arguably, neither were any of the active Democratic primary candidates.

I think the only bright side here is that Donald Trump was the one running for President. A more coherent Republican would've won in a landslide; and the thought of, say, Ted Cruz sweeping into the Oval Office atop a landslide victory is a truly terrifying one indeed.

[mr friendly guy]

There's a lot more than arrogance/complacency involved, and I think it's a bit naive to say otherwise. This WAS a gigantic political upset, in that in winning Trump has utterly destroyed myriad conventions and traditions of our system. It wasn't JUST Hillary supporters saying she'd win, it was scientific analysis of polling data courtesy of Nate Silver, too. There is a very real and deep issue (most likely a demographic one) that, quite simply, nobody saw coming. Sure, there was arrogance/complacency in thinking that Hillary had in the bag, but any reasonable person who saw the numbers before yesterday would have rightly considered her the favorite.

Indeed. Now statisticians are trying to work out what went wrong with their sampling method. I don't have the Australian article at the moment, but I skim read it and what struck me was they said its harder to ensure you got a wide spread sample and randomised sample in the era where most people use mobile phones (you guys call them cell phones) compared to landlines.

[ArmorPierce]

The Democrats have pretty much ruined everything for themselves by being so pompous and sure of themselves.

Due to their inaction arrogance, we now have trump president, and have ensured a conservative supreme court.

I've long stopped caring for politics a while ago because of the constant hypocrisy involved on each sides.

I believe this is what voter suppression is supposed to feel like.

Yup. At this point I don't even vote. All I care about is maximizing my personal wealth and happyness under the the governing system I am operating in. Everyone else is looking out for their own best interest so I need to look out for my own, especially as a minority that grew up in minority in a non English speaking environment and no family or anything else that I can rely on.

[ArmorPierce]

There's a lot more than arrogance/complacency involved, and I think it's a bit naive to say otherwise. This WAS a gigantic political upset, in that in winning Trump has utterly destroyed myriad conventions and traditions of our system. It wasn't JUST Hillary supporters saying she'd win, it was scientific analysis of polling data courtesy of Nate Silver, too. There is a very real and deep issue (most likely a demographic one) that, quite simply, nobody saw coming. Sure, there was arrogance/complacency in thinking that Hillary had in the bag, but any reasonable person who saw the numbers before yesterday would have rightly considered her the favorite.

They rendered inaccurate predictions because their interpretation of the data was inaccurate. Plain and simple. Theread has been a paradigm shift that is more obvious for younger people largely due to social media and mobile devices that the older experienced decision makers have not fully mentally grasped and included in their analysis.

Saying that it is unpredictable is absurd. It was predictable, they were just wrong and stagnant.

[Iroscato]

There's apparently now a movement to get Michelle Obama to run in 2020.

Jesus Christ people, slow down. We only just barely finished this shitstorm, now you wanna draw up battle plans for the one four years down the road?!

[Jaepheth]

There's apparently now a movement to get Michelle Obama to run in 2020.

Jesus Christ people, slow down. We only just barely finished this shitstorm, now you wanna draw up battle plans for the one four years down the road?!

Besides, I thought Elizabeth Warren was the next woman in the Democrat's pipeline?


Back on topic, two questions

1. could the electors give a last minute "screw you" to Trump?

2. also... he can only authorize a nuclear strike, not actually order one, right? like... someone in the military chain of command has to agree that it's needed?

[Simon_Jester]

There's a lot more than arrogance/complacency involved, and I think it's a bit naive to say otherwise. This WAS a gigantic political upset, in that in winning Trump has utterly destroyed myriad conventions and traditions of our system. It wasn't JUST Hillary supporters saying she'd win, it was scientific analysis of polling data courtesy of Nate Silver, too. There is a very real and deep issue (most likely a demographic one) that, quite simply, nobody saw coming. Sure, there was arrogance/complacency in thinking that Hillary had in the bag, but any reasonable person who saw the numbers before yesterday would have rightly considered her the favorite.

They rendered inaccurate predictions because their interpretation of the data was inaccurate. Plain and simple. Theread has been a paradigm shift that is more obvious for younger people largely due to social media and mobile devices that the older experienced decision makers have not fully mentally grasped and included in their analysis.

Saying that it is unpredictable is absurd. It was predictable, they were just wrong and stagnant.

By around election day, Silver's crew were giving Hillary about a 70% chance of victory.

70% chance does not translate as "Hillary is winning, for sure."

[Tribble]

The Democrats largely brought this upon themselves. Clinton lost in 2008 to Obama and that should have been a very clear sign that she was unelectable. She has always been the "status quo" politician, and it didn't work then. Yet they went with her again in the vain hope that "maintain the Status Quo" would be an effective enough campaign this time around, particularly because IMO they didn't want a socialist like Sanders potentially messing up their plans. Well surprise, "Maintain the Status Quo" didn't work. It was obvious that the American electorate was wanting some kind of "change" and Sanders clearly should have been the one to face Trump. But Clinton wanted her 2nd shot at the presidency, and the establishment did everything it possibly could to make sure she would be nominated. Well congrats to those idiots for a job well done!

[Tsyroc]

Looks like I owe the NRA a decent donation, because while almost everyone in the right leaning establishment was running from Trump or sabotaging him actively, the NRA rolled a Hard Six and went all in for Trump.

I already saw someone on Facebook "complaining" that already his guns are depreciating in value.

I also saw something about California passing a tax on ammo? Which will likely get bitch slapped down if the Supreme Court goes the way it is likely to go in the next 4 years.

[ArmorPierce]

The Democrats largely brought this upon themselves. Clinton lost in 2008 to Obama and that should have been a very clear sign that she was unelectable. Yet they went with her anyways in the vain hope that "maintain the Status Quo" would be an effective enough campaign, and they didn't want a socialist like Sanders potentially messing up their plans. Well surprise, "Maintain the Status Quo" didn't wotk. IMO it was obvious that the American electorate was wanting some kind of "change" and Bernie Sanders clearly should have been the one to face Trump. But Clinton wanted her 2nd shot at the presidency, and the establishment did everything it possibly could to make sure she would be nominated. Well congrats to those idiots for a job well done!

It's obvious to me that the democratic party struck a backroom deal with Hillary that if she dropped out of the race in 2008 to allow Obama to ascend, that they would support her run in 2016.

[The Vortex Empire]

Major takeaways from analyses of the election results: biggest swings towards Trump relative to 2012 election results were people making less than $30k, non college educated whites, and asian americans. Less than 44 years old = Clinton, more equals Trump. Hillary did worse among white women than Kerry in 2004 or Obama in 2008. 9% of registered democrats voted Trump, 7% of registered Republicans voted Clinton. Lowest turnout since 2000.

https://twitter.com/JamesKanag/status/7 ... 4351399936
Polling error correlates strongly with non college educated white population.

https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/7 ... 3101366272
Support for Democrats has fallen 9% among whites and 11% among blacks since 2008.

[Thanas]

2. also... he can only authorize a nuclear strike, not actually order one, right? like... someone in the military chain of command has to agree that it's needed?

No. In the words of one general, the system is designed for a speedy launch, not checks and balances.

[aerius]

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/08 ... p-on-game/

What Trump did was apply pickup artist game to politics, and he scored. He understood that logic & facts don't win elections, emotions do, and he worked his game to exploit the shit out of it. He knew which voters he needed, who his audience was and how to sell to them, Clinton was so fucking incompetent at this that it wasn't even funny.

[ArmorPierce]

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/08 ... p-on-game/

What Trump did was apply pickup artist game to politics, and he scored. He understood that logic & facts don't win elections, emotions do, and he worked his game to exploit the shit out of it. He knew which voters he needed, who his audience was and how to sell to them, Clinton was so fucking incompetent at this that it wasn't even funny.

I've repeated this mantra before.

Trump was confident and unapologetic. He didn't give a shit what people who didn't like him said about him and did not attempt to appeal to them. And he did not alienate his supporters who also engaged in unsavory actions.

Instead Trump did what is good for Trump. This practice has worked amazing for him.

[Gaidin]

There's a lot more than arrogance/complacency involved, and I think it's a bit naive to say otherwise. This WAS a gigantic political upset, in that in winning Trump has utterly destroyed myriad conventions and traditions of our system. It wasn't JUST Hillary supporters saying she'd win, it was scientific analysis of polling data courtesy of Nate Silver, too. There is a very real and deep issue (most likely a demographic one) that, quite simply, nobody saw coming. Sure, there was arrogance/complacency in thinking that Hillary had in the bag, but any reasonable person who saw the numbers before yesterday would have rightly considered her the favorite.

Stop blaming Silver would you. He was the one giving her the low analysis. And taking hits for it as well. Every other one was giving Clinton upwards of 90%.

[Dominus Atheos]

You guys are still vastly over-estimating Trump. Hillary Clinton is 90% responsible for this result.

[Elfdart]

Glennzilla's post mortem is right on, as usual.

[Crown]

For people who are navel gazing and asking 'how did this happen and the pollsters got it so wrong?' I have a no-shitpost question for you guys; how did you see a typical Trump rally turnout versus a typical Clinton rally turnout (you know the ones minus JayZ and Beyonce) and then look at the polls showing Clinton with a 12 point lead and it didn't occur to you that something was off about this?

Like I'm sincere here, she was almost as low energy as Jeb! for crying out loud. Do you not have eyes?