Standoff in Nevada as Militias "mobilize" to support rancher

[Broomstick]

Looks like the strategy is to give them enough rope to hang themselves. While not as immediately satisfying, using the legal system might wind up being the most effective long-term strategy.

This most recent incident just goes to show how basically selfish these people are. They admit they're public lands but they only want their opinion on how to use them to prevail. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.

[Borgholio]

Yeah because destroying artifacts and historical sites will win them oh so many supporters.

[PeZook]

Best/worst thing is that this entire area is open to people who want to ride their motorized robot horses around, except this one 14 miles stretch of trail which is protected because of its unexplored but significant archeological value.

And of course it still pisses them off, because by God, in this country we ride wherever we please and smash whatever priceless artifacts we want!

Also check out the picture attached to that article ; It's just priceless.

[Irbis]

Yeah because destroying artifacts and historical sites will win them oh so many supporters.

Aren't these non-white artifacts / historical sites? I somehow feel quite a lot of these people would drive over them again, then peed on them for good measure.

[Simon_Jester]

It's a pity they weren't ambushed by angry Indians.

In theory it'd play right into their fantasies, but in practice I suspect a lot of them would turn out to be "fairweather friends" if they actually turned out to be in real danger from the people they were offending.

[Borgholio]

In theory it'd play right into their fantasies, but in practice I suspect a lot of them would turn out to be "fairweather friends" if they actually turned out to be in real danger from the people they were offending.

Be quite a news story though to hear about a militia being attacked by an Apache raiding party. Close your eyes and you're right back in the 1870's...

[Broomstick]

Aren't these non-white artifacts / historical sites?

Of course they're non-white artifacts and sites. These jackasses clearly only care about their own sort of people.

[Irbis]

Cliven Bundy Is Now Offering Awful U.S. History Lessons on YouTube

What's the basis of these history lessons? A lot of hilariously incorrect bullshit. To wit, Bundy explains the following:

How America started with some pilgrims in a sailboat who thought the world—or "the ocean," in Bundy's parlance—was flat and had edges you could fall off.
How the 13 colonies waged the American Revolution against "Europe," which had the largest army ever.
How the Constitution is divinely inspired and useless without the Ten Commandments.
How fans of vigorous federalism like Washington, Madison and Hamilton "didn't want a big central government, we didn't want a big state government, we was even leery about having even a local government."
How the founding fathers set up the three branches of U.S. government, including the "adjudical" or "judical."

"I'm not no prophet, I'm just a rancher farmer," Bundy says in the videos. But that doesn't mean he can't teach you a few things. Join him, will you? Class is just starting.

More in the top link

[Borgholio]

That pic...makes no sense whatsoever. Why is Teddy Roosevelt clapping when Obama steps on what I presume to be the constitution? And why is that supposedly jobless man on the bench not taking the money that's laying on the fucking ground right in front of him? And where's the Shrub? Surely he should be standing right next to Saint Regan?

[Irbis]

Aren't both Bushes behind Obama?

Wait, I found larger version here.

[Borgholio]

Ah yeah, much more clear. Still...that pic is so bad it's almost comical.

[Spekio]

I don't understand that picture. Could someone explain that to the mexican/brown foreigner scum?

[Borgholio]

From what it seems to me, you have the founding fathers and Republican heroes (Lincoln, Reagan, etc...) trying to help the poor white man who is in need (despite there being plenty of money should he get up off his lazy ass to get it, which is what makes that whole scene hilarious). To the right you have Obama stepping on the constitution to the chagrin of a founding father (despite the fact that Bush Jr did far worse than Obama did). To his right you have people like Clinton (who the Republicans hate) and Lyndon Johnson cheering him on. Not sure why the Reps hate Johnson specifically...pretty much EVERYBODY hates him for escalating Vietnam. To their right is Teddy Roosevelt who is also clapping. I honestly do not understand that part, since Teddy would be pretty much a poster boy for the GOP. While he was anti-big business (he broke up Standard Oil, for example), he was also a major imperialist, aggressive with his foreign policy, and what some would consider a warmonger. He preached American dominance at whatever the cost. Why he's lumped in with the Black Muslim Communist™ is beyond me.

[SCRawl]

From what it seems to me, you have the founding fathers and Republican heroes (Lincoln, Reagan, etc...) trying to help the poor white man who is in need (despite there being plenty of money should he get up off his lazy ass to get it, which is what makes that whole scene hilarious). To the right you have Obama stepping on the constitution to the chagrin of a founding father (despite the fact that Bush Jr did far worse than Obama did). To his right you have people like Clinton (who the Republicans hate) and Lyndon Johnson cheering him on. Not sure why the Reps hate Johnson specifically...pretty much EVERYBODY hates him for escalating Vietnam. To their right is Teddy Roosevelt who is also clapping. I honestly do not understand that part, since Teddy would be pretty much a poster boy for the GOP. While he was anti-big business (he broke up Standard Oil, for example), he was also a major imperialist, aggressive with his foreign policy, and what some would consider a warmonger. He preached American dominance at whatever the cost. Why he's lumped in with the Black Muslim Communist™ is beyond me.

I'm pretty sure Johnson is behind Kennedy and in front of Nixon. Starting at Obama and going to the right are (I think) Carter, Clinton, ??, F. Roosevelt, Wilson, others.

[Borgholio]

Hmm, you're right. It's like where's Waldo with that pic...

Ok upon closer inspection it's Clinton, FDR, and Teddy in that right side. That's even funnier, seeing as how FDR's brand of socialism was what saved this country from going even further down the shitter than it already was in the 30's.

[Broomstick]

To his right you have people like Clinton (who the Republicans hate) and Lyndon Johnson cheering him on. Not sure why the Reps hate Johnson specifically...pretty much EVERYBODY hates him for escalating Vietnam.

I don't think that's the problem. For one, Johnson was a Democrat. Second, his "Great Society" agenda which expanded Federal assistance to the poor, elderly, disabled, and non-white part of the population. Remember, Bundy is a through and through racist. Johnson's administration originated Head Start, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and probably other programs the nutball right absolutely hate.

To their right is Teddy Roosevelt who is also clapping. I honestly do not understand that part, since Teddy would be pretty much a poster boy for the GOP....Why he's lumped in with the Black Muslim Communist™ is beyond me.

Well... except that he jumped ship and formed the progressive party. He also originated the predecessor to the FDA, you know, that intrusive Federal thing that forces producers of food and drugs to label their products truthfully, sets standards for health and safety, and so forth.

The Roosevelts were also seen as "traitors" to both the wealthy class for championing the common man and to the states' rights folks as they both expanded Federal authority. If I recall, T. Roosevelt also proposed an income tax.

Forget foreign policy and actions in regards to what Bundy is pushing, it's all about the domestic agenda.

[Isolder74]

Most likely because trust buster Teddy is vehemently HATED by most Libertarians as the enemy of everything they stand for.

I also find it hilarious they they think that National Bank Hamilton is on their side of things. Washington was very much against everything that this rancher claims to stand for as is evidenced by his handling and response to the Whiskey Rebellion.

I think the reason the jobless man isn't picking up the money is due to the Libertarian belief that money not based on a valued commodity, such as gold, is not worth anything.

[Wing Commander MAD]

Don't forget Theodore Roosevelt's conservationism. Remember how this all started and what his supporters in the various state governments were saying.

[Broomstick]

Right - T. Roosevelt is also the one who originated the National Park system, kicking the Wild West exploiters out of places like Yellowstone and Yosemite instead of allowing the white ranchers to despoil the landscape as god intended!

[Spekio]

So tell me: All I see arround is complaints by the more liberal about how Obama's campaing promisses were ignored or defanged (Healthcare reform) through out his administration.

Beside the fact that he is black, a "foreigner" and democrat, what are the republicans complaining? Are they not getting their way? Including this racist rancher?

[Borgholio]

So tell me: All I see arround is complaints by the more liberal about how Obama's campaing promisses were ignored or defanged (Healthcare reform) through out his administration.

Beside the fact that he is black, a "foreigner" and democrat, what are the republicans complaining? Are they not getting their way? Including this racist rancher?

Most GOP complaints are a cover for a few main issues (in no particular order):

1. They hate anybody who isn't white and Christian.
2. They hate anybody who tries to take a little bit of their wealth to help other people (they're greedy).
3. They hate anybody who tries to infringe on their freedom to do...whatever...even if that freedom is openly destructive or harmful to others.

[Napoleon the Clown]

So tell me: All I see arround is complaints by the more liberal about how Obama's campaing promisses were ignored or defanged (Healthcare reform) through out his administration.

Beside the fact that he is black, a "foreigner" and democrat, what are the republicans complaining? Are they not getting their way? Including this racist rancher?

For the most part, they hate Obama because he's a Democrat. He could be white and most would still hate him because he's a Democrat. Lots of them hate him for being a black man that had the temerity to run for president, but they aren't the number one reason for Obama hate. It's mostly partisan bullshittery. He doesn't support shrinking the federal government in all the ways they want, so he's evil. He supports things they oppose. He talks about helping the poor, so he's Hitler in their eyes.

For the masochists, this video (by the artist who made it) may have info on the painting linked above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGlBHyVeYU I don't hate myself enough to watch it through.

[Simon_Jester]

In theory it'd play right into their fantasies, but in practice I suspect a lot of them would turn out to be "fairweather friends" if they actually turned out to be in real danger from the people they were offending.

Be quite a news story though to hear about a militia being attacked by an Apache raiding party. Close your eyes and you're right back in the 1870's...

I know, right?

I'm being deliberately silly, but it's just... I find it darkly amusing when I see "we're NOT AFRAID TO FIGHT" coming out of privileged jackasses who have never been in serious danger of either foreign attack or government tyranny for a day in their lives, thanks to a government they despise.

[Borgholio]

I'm being deliberately silly, but it's just... I find it darkly amusing when I see "we're NOT AFRAID TO FIGHT" coming out of privileged jackasses who have never been in serious danger of either foreign attack or government tyranny for a day in their lives, thanks to a government they despise.

In this country, they are allowed to be loudmouth assholes if they want to be. It is sad, I agree. When you step back for a moment, despite all the problems it could be much, much worse. We're not suffering a coup every 9 months, there are no border wars, we don't have armed rebels in the forests kidnapping people, there are not millions of refugees trying to flee to Canada, no concentration camps or death camps...

Our government might be stuffed full of incompetent assholes...but they're not actively trying to murder or enslave us. Listen to the militias though, and you might think otherwise...

[Siege]

If "... but at least no-one is trying to murder me" is your Hail Mary pass then you must be in dire straits indeed. Because that's the barest goddamn minimum required to qualify as a civilization. How the mighty have fallen, etc.