I don't think you think this will reform all Jews, but based on some of the other comments in this thread I think that yes, some people might have that idea. I think the Jews will leave rather than change.
Based on what, concidering most jews are really loving living in Germany?
Because Jews have a multi-thousand year history of wandering, of going elsewhere, of moving around? They might love living in Germany now
but if they find Germany oppressive (whether you agree with them on that point or not) why wouldn't
they leave? German Jews aren't as tied to Germany as secular Germans are. Jews having divided loyalties or placing their tribal identity of "Jew" above their national identity are one of the reasons they have long been viewed as untrustworthy subjects, isn't it?
The intention is not to drive the Jews out of Germany, but that might well be the effect because I don't think the Jews are going to budge on that.
Funny – the descendants of former Germans (and closely related folks) who moved to my area due to religious persecution claim that they were slaughtered in the old country and that's why they came here rather than change, and why there are few to none of their sort back in Europe.
There has been no religious slaughter in Germany since the 17th century, except for the holocaust. I don't know what they were smoking but they clearly were lying.
They weren't lying - that IS when their German ancestors came to the US (well, British colonies). Yes, they've been holding a grudge for 300+ years but it did occur. As did the holocaust a mere 70 years ago. Germany does have periods of great tolerance, but they've also engaged in some very, very nasty intolerance. As I have said many times, I don't think this
generation of Germans is likely to murder in the name of [insert intolerant ideology here]
but given Germany history it's hardly a wonder that some folks are a little suspicious of long-term German tolerance. Nothing would make me happier than if Germany never commits such crimes again but it's going to take more than 70 years for folks to entirely relax in regards to Germans and capacity for oppressing others.
I am also very hard-pressed to find examples of religious prosecution that would result in death.
Other than what occurred in WWII, presumably. Granted, it's a highly unusual case but the devastation was also unusual. There's nothing surprising in some folks having a kneejerk reaction to any German law that restricts religious practices even if that knee is jerking all out of proportion to the given stimulus.
I don't know which is the case. You are mistaking a question for a positive assertion of fact. I am not familiar with Germany in great detail so I have no idea whether such a thing could be easily concealed or not. What if the parents simply never take the female child to a doctor? Would the authorities notice that and step in immediately or not? I don't know how these things work over there.
Then maybe you should educate yourself first instead of raising possibilities as counter-points to actual factual arguments.
Maybe you could answer the question? What would the effects be if a family simply never took a child to a doctor in Germany? Presumably there would be some record of the child's birth or existence, how much follow up does the government conduct to make sure the parents take the child to the doctor for check-ups, vaccinations, and so forth? How easy is it to take a kid off the medical radar?
Or do you object to me asking Germans about how their society and medical system works in an effort to educate myself? I figure you're a pretty good source of information, hence why I'm asking you, but if you don't care to answer then I'd be happy to hear from any other Germans in this thread.
True, however, male infant circumcision in Judaism isn't a “fundamentalist” or minority view, it's damn near universal even among the most moderate or reform groups.
So was the importance of the temple or Jerusalem.
Yes, but you can't build a temple on your kitchen table, you can do a circumcision there. Temples are large buildings that you can't really move around. Infant boys are very easy to transport to other locations where objectionable-to-outsiders surgical rituals can be performed. They aren't really that comparable.
The problem is that with the Jews it's entirely religious. Not just cultural, religious. They are brainwashed from birth to think of it not merely as an evil to be tolerated but a positive good. They are coming from an entirely different place on this than you are. The arguments that would work for you likely won't for them. There is nothing rational about this custom or their attempts to justify it, thus, as I have said, appealing to reason is highly unlikely to have an effect, neither will appeal to obeying the law, fitting into the larger culture, and so forth.
I like how you lump all jews in Germany into this "mass of zealots" thing.
It's a practice among 95%+ Jews. It's not a matter of zealotry. Infant male circumcision is arguably the closest thing to universal practice among Jews world wide. It's mainstream Judaism. The basis for it is not rational, therefore, reasoned arguments are unlikely to work except in a tiny minority of cases.
To non-Jews the practice is extreme. To Jews, it's normal. It's a pretty significant cultural difference.