Crossroads Inc. wrote:Wasn't there some Made by Bible channel "Movie" that delt with a married man "Batteling his porn addiction" Where it did ruin his life, like he quite his job and was going to leave his family just to watch porn?
Do you mean Captain Crocoduck's Fireproof?
It's always nice to see Kirk Cameron try to act like the kind of person he thinks I am. I think I'll have some friends over to get really drunk and watch that movie from beginning to end.
remember back in the 80's the Reagan anti porn squad did a farcical lopsided study that included Testimony from a Serial Killer plaming Tijuna Bibles and Playboy for making him a rapist murderer, and getting all these same pols give him sympathy from them. This same report also should be known that it included allowing one of Hipper's High School class mates to go on making porn with a fake ID for over a year just so they could subpeona more folks and charge them with making and distributing Child Porn. Including Mark Hamil's neighbor and friend of his wife (Amber Lynn) who doesn't get royalty for anything she did in the 80's.
They continue to trot out the same disproven bullshit Twenty pluss years later, and make awful one sided books and movies to support that idea. Of course having guys who are natural sex addicts/alpha wolves like David Ducovy or Charlie Sheen doesn't help matters too much....
The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
I think that Santorum should get elected, just for the hilarity that would ensue. The international community probably wouldn't be affected too badly. Does the US have sort of vote-of-no-confidence system?
"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
True, but he wouldn't have much support from the parliament, so his power would be rather limited, wouldn't it?
"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
as we have seen for the last few decades in congress we have people who will support batshit insane, like Ron Paul proposals, Michelle Bachman proposals.....
The scariest folk song lyrics are "My Boy Grew up to be just like me" from cats in the cradle by Harry Chapin
fajner1 wrote:I think that Santorum should get elected, just for the hilarity that would ensue. The international community probably wouldn't be affected too badly. Does the US have sort of vote-of-no-confidence system?
Impeachment, but only if Congress really fuckin' hates 'em.
fajner1 wrote:True, but he wouldn't have much support from the parliament, so his power would be rather limited, wouldn't it?
Generally Congress votes along party lines on controversial measures. If the Republicans manage to hold on to their majority in the House and get at least 60 seats in the Senate, they'll back whatever Santorum proposes. The only recourse in that case is the Supreme Court, but that's also someplace where the current President tries to stack the deck in their favor.
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Dalton wrote:Impeachment, but only if Congress really fuckin' hates 'em.
Plus they need to be able to convict the President of a serious enough crime.
Impeachment is the closest thing we have to a vote of no confidence, but it's never actually removed a President from office. Hell, it's only been formally attempted twice in the entire history of the United States (Johnson and Clinton). Nixon technically doesn't count because he resigned before they could go through with the impeachment.
Dalton wrote:The dichotomy is fucking flabbergasting! This is the party of small-government individual liberty, but they have no fucking problem whatsoever dictating to you what your morals should be! AND PEOPLE VOTE FOR THEM
What the FUCK
And? All American conservatives believe in small government and minimalist legislature, except when it comes to outlawing things that offend conservatives. As far as I know, there has been no time in my lifetime this was not so.
Sadly, conservatives are far from the only ones who stick to their priniciples until doing so becomes mildly inconvenient. It's tragically common, and may be why people support men like ROn Paul and Santorum, who are nuts but who at least have the courage of their convictions.
"Any plan which requires the direct intervention of any deity to work can be assumed to be a very poor one."- Newbiespud
How effective would any potential laws actually be? Can you enforce them any more than you can enforce music piracy laws, or, to a lesser extent, drug laws?
If Santorum merely wants to increase bans of child pornography, I have absolutely no problem with that. But he's probably watched the dirty stuff himself before.
Luke Skywalker wrote:How effective would any potential laws actually be? Can you enforce them any more than you can enforce music piracy laws, or, to a lesser extent, drug laws?
If Santorum merely wants to increase bans of child pornography, I have absolutely no problem with that. But he's probably watched the dirty stuff himself before.
It's not the new laws themselves that worry me, it's that they are used as a method to invade people's privacy n other ways. For example, going through the contents of hard drives of those entering the country and such.
And yes, I have a problem with them banning porn itself in the first place.
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Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I
fajner1 wrote:I think that Santorum should get elected, just for the hilarity that would ensue. The international community probably wouldn't be affected too badly. Does the US have sort of vote-of-no-confidence system?
Impeachment, but only if Congress really fuckin' hates 'em.
fajner1 wrote:True, but he wouldn't have much support from the parliament, so his power would be rather limited, wouldn't it?
Generally Congress votes along party lines on controversial measures. If the Republicans manage to hold on to their majority in the House and get at least 60 seats in the Senate, they'll back whatever Santorum proposes. The only recourse in that case is the Supreme Court, but that's also someplace where the current President tries to stack the deck in their favor.
And now I understand why the presidential elections are more important than they would be in some other countries...
"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
The President has the same amount of power as Congress and the Supreme Court (or should, but at any rate). Each branch has the ability to override another. If the President vetoes a bill, Congress can with enough votes overturn it.
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mod you so hard, you'll wish I were Dalton." - Lagmonster
Luke Skywalker wrote:How effective would any potential laws actually be? Can you enforce them any more than you can enforce music piracy laws, or, to a lesser extent, drug laws?
If Santorum merely wants to increase bans of child pornography, I have absolutely no problem with that. But he's probably watched the dirty stuff himself before.
It's not the new laws themselves that worry me, it's that they are used as a method to invade people's privacy n other ways. For example, going through the contents of hard drives of those entering the country and such.
And yes, I have a problem with them banning porn itself in the first place.
Not to mention that it's a good way to discredit and prosecute your enemies. It's widespread enough that a ton of people do it without worrying about the consequences, so most likely they will continue to do it regardless of the law. I wouldn't put it past the goverment really.
Out of curiosity, if Santorum was elected, would it be likely that he'd turn the conflicts in the Middle-East into a Holy War of sorts?
"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
fajner1 wrote:Out of curiosity, if Santorum was elected, would it be likely that he'd turn the conflicts in the Middle-East into a Holy War of sorts?
Doubtful. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are heavily unpopular right now and he's running a campaign based on jobs and economy.
Banning porn is fairly unpopular too.
"Everything in this room is edible. Even I'm edible. But, that would be called cannibalism. It is looked down upon in most societies."
— Roald Dahl, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
"And, if you should come upon this spot, please do not hurry on. Wait for a time, exactly under the star. Then, if a little man appears who laughs, who has golden hair and who refuses to answer questions, you will know who he is. If this should happen, please comfort me. Send me word that he has come back."
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, The Little Prince
fajner1 wrote:Out of curiosity, if Santorum was elected, would it be likely that he'd turn the conflicts in the Middle-East into a Holy War of sorts?
Doubtful. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are heavily unpopular right now and he's running a campaign based on jobs and economy.
Banning porn is fairly unpopular too.
He is pandering to the moral majority and the evangelicals. If he gets elected he will have to play by established protocol just like everyone else, and that isn't just "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead". Newt Gingrich can crow all he wants about all his executive orders, but once a President gets into the Oval Office he either plays by the rules or gets fucked hard from all sides.
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"You try THAT shit again, kid, and I will mod you. I will
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My guess is that if he were actually elected president, in order to secure the cooperation of the rest of his party he would have to take orders from the corporatists like everyone else, and be content with token culture war gestures and exploiting any Supreme Court openings to stack the deck against any future progressive rulings. It would probably mean bad things for women, gays, and atheists who are poor or otherwise particularly vulnerable, but probably not for all of them. On the other hand, the resulting Republican economic policy will probably move more of those groups into the poor and marginal categories (along with most of the rest of us), so his religious slights might have bigger effects than they would on their own.
Jimmy Kimmel showed a clip of what porn would look like if Santorum became President (Would be safe for work if the word "porn" didn't appear in the article or video):
fajner1 wrote:Out of curiosity, if Santorum was elected, would it be likely that he'd turn the conflicts in the Middle-East into a Holy War of sorts?
Doubtful. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are heavily unpopular right now and he's running a campaign based on jobs and economy.
Didn't stop Mccain from supporting a thousand-year-crusade in Iraq at the heigh of its unpopularity.
Many Republicans are already declaring the war in the Middle-East to be a Holy War, Sarah Palin among them. Which makes me wonder what the Islamic Fundies hate more; a Christian nation or a Secular nation. Heretics vs non-believers. Hmm.
Mr Bean wrote:This will he thinks win him votes. But one does not vote in front of your wife. This bastard is coming after your Porn! As we already know Conservatives view more Porn So I'm going to predict right now that Santorum lost any long-shot chance he had of winning the election or the nomination.
They might do so in private, but they will still yell about it in public, no?
I'm guessing he's thinking no one will dare speak against him but if Romney had any balls or rather his advisors had any sense he'd make a talking point out of this. Something like "In this economic climate in this uncertain times we have Rick out there campaign against Pornography. If if you agree with him, priorities, do you really want to get to porn first before Iran and the economy?"
To get 'That godless, false Mormon spits on our values! He is no better than Oblahma!' right back? I thought Mittens tried to reinvent himself as something appealing to non-Mormon religious types for a pretty long time...
Rahvin wrote:Yep. Criminalizing a nicely-taxed billion dollar industry whose products are consumed by the vast majority of Americans without proven harm is totally a good idea.
Ever heard of Amendment XVIII, United States Constitution?
Or how legalization of marihuana would actually establish billion dollar industry and undercut criminal underground at the same time? Oh wait...
