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MarshalPurnell wrote:That the kid has any real awareness of such issues at all speaks highly for his intelligence. Usually at that age political sentiment is limited to repeating whatever they hear around them from their family. His stance indicates a degree of independent reasoning I wouldn't expect to see before the 9th grade, honestly.
Not to diminish what the kid did, but according to the article, he IS repeating whatever he heard around the family.
Will's family has a number of gay friends. In recent years, Laura Phillips said, they've been trying to be a straight ally to the gay community, going to the pride parades and standing up for the rights of their gay and lesbian neighbors.
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Wow what a kid. Its such a shame to see him get flak for his beliefs but its expected at this point.
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ArmorPierce wrote:Had to say it everyday from elementary school until high school where the class schedule was staggered so everyone did not come in at the same time so not much point. Then I moved out to Jersey and the daily recital of the pledge continued. Not only that, a lot of schools require you to sing the star spangle banner in addition to it. I recall getting in trouble for not singing the star spangle banner and me explaining that I didn't know the words was not good enough.
Seriously? In THIS century? I've never heard of students being required to sing the Star Spagled Banner daily.
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ArmorPierce wrote:Had to say it everyday from elementary school until high school where the class schedule was staggered so everyone did not come in at the same time so not much point. Then I moved out to Jersey and the daily recital of the pledge continued. Not only that, a lot of schools require you to sing the star spangle banner in addition to it. I recall getting in trouble for not singing the star spangle banner and me explaining that I didn't know the words was not good enough.
Seriously? In THIS century? I've never heard of students being required to sing the Star Spagled Banner daily.
We did it in my elementary, junior and high schools; how else do you expect kids to learn the words?
Besides, every child should learn at least one drinking song, to prepare them for college. :P
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God, that's terrifyingly creepy- even moreso than the pledge of allegience. I've never seen a class have to sing the pledge of allegience. Then again until today Nazi Germany was the only country I knew of that forced kids to sing anthems every day (Godwin's law?).
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Duckie wrote:God, that's terrifyingly creepy- even moreso than the pledge of allegience. I've never seen a class have to sing the pledge of allegience. Then again until today Nazi Germany was the only country I knew of that forced kids to sing anthems every day (Godwin's law?).
Uhh...do you mean "have to sing the Star Spangled Banner"?
As far as anthems go, it's not a bad one. Nothing about killing enemies, deities or royalty. And, again, it's set to the tune of a drinking song - which I can only see as a bonus.
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Duckie wrote:God, that's terrifyingly creepy- even moreso than the pledge of allegience. I've never seen a class have to sing the pledge of allegience. Then again until today Nazi Germany was the only country I knew of that forced kids to sing anthems every day (Godwin's law?).
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er, yeah, sing a national anthem. Admittedly, the Star Spangled Banner is a pretty tame national anthem in terms of content (it's also a terrible one in my opinion, especially musically). But it's still creepily jingoistic to me.
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I decided to comment:
The kid only did this because of the gays, and it is the gays' fault for converting this child into an anti-american terrorist hate-criminal.

To defend the kid's freedom, the American Military must declare a War on Gay Terror and go lynch some homosexuals.

Because if the gays and this kid doesn't like America, they should MOVE out. If they want to stay in America, they must wear armbands that mark out their undesirable freedom-hating homosexual or homosexual-loving status. To stop them from spreading AIDS, I think we should concentrate their populations in camps. Camps for concentrating. ;)

Any person who supports a homosexual is a person who loves homosexuals, and is thus homosexual. Homosexuals and homosexual-lovers disrespect the heterosexual military might of America by refusing to say the pledge of allegiance - which is a grave sin!

If the kid practices his freedom to refuse to say the pledge, then other people must have the freedom to insult him and say hateful things at him.

Because America is a free country and the freedom to not say a pledge of allegiance, and the freedom to say hateful things at homosexual-lovers, is WHAT BRAVE AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIED FOR!

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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I decided to comment:
The kid only did this because of the gays, and it is the gays' fault for converting this child into an anti-american terrorist hate-criminal.

To defend the kid's freedom, the American Military must declare a War on Gay Terror and go lynch some homosexuals.

Because if the gays and this kid doesn't like America, they should MOVE out. If they want to stay in America, they must wear armbands that mark out their undesirable freedom-hating homosexual or homosexual-loving status. To stop them from spreading AIDS, I think we should concentrate their populations in camps. Camps for concentrating. ;)

Any person who supports a homosexual is a person who loves homosexuals, and is thus homosexual. Homosexuals and homosexual-lovers disrespect the heterosexual military might of America by refusing to say the pledge of allegiance - which is a grave sin!

If the kid practices his freedom to refuse to say the pledge, then other people must have the freedom to insult him and say hateful things at him.

Because America is a free country and the freedom to not say a pledge of allegiance, and the freedom to say hateful things at homosexual-lovers, is WHAT BRAVE AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIED FOR!

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I must say I find this "if you think like us, you love freedom, democracy'n'stuff, if not, you are a terrorist-loving gay commie bastard and waste of biological material" way of thinking unsettling. When I read your ironic comment here, I thought it was really outrageous and wondered how long it would take before the newspaper would remove it. Then I went there, and realized your comment fitted in nicely with a lot of the other comments. I just hope a lot of the other comments there are ironic, too, but fear they are not. Anyway: Shroomie! I think I love you. :wink:

Edit: I was too hasty here. Not removed by the newspaper, but being blasted to bits by other people... :oops:
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Reminds of that story of a kid getting suspended for objecting to a teacher's (incorrect) definition of...damnit can't remember now. It was a basic thing like the definition of a kilometre or something. Legitimate debate should be encouraged, so that kids learn to think for themselves.
I think you are referring to this sir...

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But yes, sorry state of affairs when the fundmental right of freedom of speech and its associated principles can be so easily twisted in the name of the "greater" good, which is apparently in this case is to simply honour your country dispite what you may personnally beleive.

Kudos to the Kid, good luck to him.


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Alyeska wrote:I just love the comments that the assholes are making about this kid.
Hell, Who would have thought it, give someone freedom of speech, and what do they do, say what they want. (sarcasm mode in overdrive here).

Don't you know that freedom of speech is only meant to be there as long as you agree with the wackjobs?
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Here one of my favorite comments:
This kid is obviously being USED by adults to further the gay agenda. What kind of straight 10 year old boy with two heterosexual parents just decides one day to disobey his teachers and face ridicule from every other classmate to support homosexuals?? He's being led into this and it's unfair to him.

This isn't the first time and won't be the last . . even civil rights "leaders" like rosa parks were not acting on their own, but being led by others. She sat where she sat because she was told to in order to further the civil rights agenda, and this is much of the same. The questions is - if it's not his parents using him then who is it?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:Had to say it everyday from elementary school until high school where the class schedule was staggered so everyone did not come in at the same time so not much point. Then I moved out to Jersey and the daily recital of the pledge continued. Not only that, a lot of schools require you to sing the star spangle banner in addition to it. I recall getting in trouble for not singing the star spangle banner and me explaining that I didn't know the words was not good enough.
Seriously? In THIS century? I've never heard of students being required to sing the Star Spagled Banner daily.
Oh actually I was wrong. It was when I moved out from Jersey to New York (I've moved in between a couple times) where they required you to sing the star spangle banner. The pledge of allegiance stopping in hs at hs in ny but continuing it through in nj is correct as far as I know (in my school in ny, they may have held the pledge before I got there but I don't think so).
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We have the little kids sing the Star Spangled Banner, pretty much so they learn the words.

That said, we have religious students who can't recite the pledge and I've never said boo about it. Shitty sub, that's for sure.
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I've an inkling of the sort of shit people kick up when you don't recite. I managed to have a reason that was less ripe for trouble from administration, at least. But still, this kid is amazing. I nominate him for 'Badass Motherfucker Of The Week'. No one gave an age limit.
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This kid is obviously being USED by adults to further the nigger agenda. What kind of white 10 year old boy with two white parents just decides one day to disobey his teachers and face ridicule from every other classmate to support niggers?? He's being led into this and it's unfair to him.
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Funny how it's an argument which can be used against anyone protesting for civil rights anywhere, but because the fight for ending segregation is over and done with, most of these fucks would never try to make that one, huh?
This isn't the first time and won't be the last . . even civil rights "leaders" like rosa parks were not acting on their own, but being led by others. She sat where she sat because she was told to in order to further the civil rights agenda, and this is much of the same. The questions is - if it's not his parents using him then who is it?
For bonus points, he manages to distort the entire Rosa Parks case. Yay!

Also, Shroom, you should've left it at your first comment, since now only a retard would try to agree with you. We could've gotten so much hilarity! :D
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I dunno why all you people are so creeped out by saying the pledge of allegiance every morning. We stood and sang O' Canada! every day from elementary school to high school. Sure, it's propagandistic broadcasting and programming national loyalty into the brains of children, but I don't see a particular problem with that, because by programming said loyalties, you keep your future workforce in your country and maybe get a few soldiers a decade or two down the line. National pride is an important economic and military tool and it'd be silly to expect a government not to use it.
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Except for some reason there are governments that don't use it, and if you didn't grow up in one of those that do, it's creepy. Because those 10-year olds then grow up and equate patriotism with worshipping the flag, reciting the pledge and loving the military, rather than a sense of civic duty, drive for improvement of their government and care for the people that your nation consists of.
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There was actually a guy in my highschool who wouldn't say the pledge. The teacher just shrugged and said 'fine, but you still need to stand'. Seemed like a good compromise that prevented trips to the office.
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Jade Falcon wrote:
Alyeska wrote:I just love the comments that the assholes are making about this kid.
Hell, Who would have thought it, give someone freedom of speech, and what do they do, say what they want. (sarcasm mode in overdrive here).

Don't you know that freedom of speech is only meant to be there as long as you agree with the wackjobs?
I don't mind freedom of speech since it allows us to analyze the IQ of a slice of the world population. It is a great thing when it is used as a means to convince people that they can say WHATEVER they want. Give some people a rope and they might use it constructively and for something useful. Give it to a complete moron and they might just hang themselves with it. For me at least the people who misuse freedom of speech are the ones in the latter catagory, rather than the former.
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Define "misuse".

Edit: *shrugs* Never mind then.
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when i lived in Jersey they didn't force us to do the pledge past 5th grade.
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Captain Seafort wrote:Define "misuse".

Edit: *shrugs* Never mind then.
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Yeah, I worked my way down to Parting Shots a couple of minutes after I posted that - hence the edit.
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