Glocksman wrote:The one thing I originally thought GWB had (boy was I wrong) was the ability to recognize that he couldn't be an expert in everything and would bring in strong, intelligent cabinet members who were experts in their fields and would base his decisions on what they conveyed to him.
In reality, he wound up listening to the neocon asshole 'democracy holy war' fucks and the supply side evangelists, and now the country is screwed.
Come now, George W. Bush listens to experts. He listens to the experts who tell him what he wants to hear. All the other experts get ignored at best, or fired at worst.
But why should you be surprised? This is exactly how creationists have treated scientists since before you were born.
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BTW. the "Comeback Kid" headlines pissed me off. Clinton has been riding a wave of "She's the Heir Apparent!" for months, she suffers a setback in Iowa and when she barely takes New Hampshire, she's suddenly "The Comeback Kid"?
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"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Frankly, I think New Hampshire might be an aberration for both McCain and Clinton. New Hampshire voters are notoriously libertarian. They actually have "Live Free or Die" as their state slogan on license plates.
Clinton did well among less-educated people, and Obama captured those with higher education. And since New Hampshire doesn't have a whole lot of colleges or large student bodies, it makes sense that she won Iowa. As to what the polls reported, one theory was that independent voters saw that Obama had a sizable enough lead over Clinton that they figured they didn't have to show up and vote for him. So they went for John McCain, in spite of any dissatisfaction they might have with the current Republican party.
The other interesting thing is that the polls were actually right for Obama. His actual percentage of support was on-target. It was Hillary's support that was miscalculated. Edwards' support also seemed to be overestimated. Perhaps Edwards voters' second choice was Hillary.
I'm betting that Obama is going to do well in Midwestern states with lots of colleges. He's basically got Illinois, his home state, in a lock. And I'd bet on him in Michigan and Ohio, even though the most recent results have him trailing by a huge margin in both states.
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Is it possible that a lot of conservative independents went out and voted for Hillary in an attempt to sabotage the Democrats by trying to ensure that one of the most hated women in America gets the nomination?
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Is it possible that a lot of conservative independents went out and voted for Hillary in an attempt to sabotage the Democrats by trying to ensure that one of the most hated women in America gets the nomination?
I think the hypothesis that thousands of conservatives all voted for someone they absolutely despised because they all independently decided to sabotage the Democratic primary is a bit of a stretch, especially since it appears that women voters were the deciding factor in her victory.
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Darth Wong wrote:Is it possible that a lot of conservative independents went out and voted for Hillary in an attempt to sabotage the Democrats by trying to ensure that one of the most hated women in America gets the nomination?
Sure, it's possible, but that doesn't strike me as New Hampshire's style. They're one of the states least likely to try and strategize with voting like that. I might expect that from voters in the deep South, but New Hampshire voters are pretty principled with their votes. Frankly, I'm surprised Ron Paul didn't make a better showing.
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I guess the idea of Hillary Clinton getting what she wants by crying just strikes me as so totally disgusting that I was grasping for any other explanation. Especially when she's supposed to be the vanguard of social change in our attitudes toward women.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
The breakdowns I've seen show that HRC won the women's vote in NH, while it broke for Obama in Iowa.
In other words, her tears (and I think they were crocodile) convinced enough women to 'show solidarity' with her.
Which of course is bullshit.
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Glocksman wrote:The breakdowns I've seen show that HRC won the women's vote in NH, while it broke for Obama in Iowa.
In other words, her tears (and I think they were crocodile) convinced enough women to 'show solidarity' with her.
Which of course is bullshit.
I feel really embarrassed for my sex now. And yeah, I'm glad I watched Olbermann that night, because otherwise I'd never have known that she had a seamless transition from her emotional moment (which in itself doesn't bother me) to this "Al Qaeda is watching our elections" thing. Mike's right: that sort of emotional manipulation is a really dirty trick that will feed into people's stereotypes about women.
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Darth Wong wrote:The fact that she segued from her emotional moment to "vote for Obama and the terrorists win RARRRR" seems to suggest crocodile tears to me as well.
I saw that and actually did an impression of Susan Smiths press conferences on the spot. It was so fucking phony and transparently bullshit.
Best part? The woman that asked her the question where she "cried" (I saw no tears) while answering voted for Obama.
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Darth Wong wrote:The fact that she segued from her emotional moment to "vote for Obama and the terrorists win RARRRR" seems to suggest crocodile tears to me as well.
Holy shit, I missed that. She actually went into "ooga booga" mode to scare the voters to pick her?
That's disgusting.
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News channels have been playing her crying endlessly, NO ONE has yet to play the Wackaloon scare mongering she did 15 seconds AFTER it.
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Beowulf wrote:How long before someone starts complaining that one side is poisoning the other by voting in the other party's primary?
Darth Wong wrote:Is it possible that a lot of conservative independents went out and voted for Hillary in an attempt to sabotage the Democrats by trying to ensure that one of the most hated women in America gets the nomination?
Didn't expect it to be Mike...
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:News channels have been playing her crying endlessly, NO ONE has yet to play the Wackaloon scare mongering she did 15 seconds AFTER it.
Is there a good youtube vid of this? I'd rather like to spread that around and see it myself.
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And yeah, I'm glad I watched Olbermann that night, because otherwise I'd never have known that she had a seamless transition from her emotional moment (which in itself doesn't bother me) to this "Al Qaeda is watching our elections" thing. Mike's right: that sort of emotional manipulation is a really dirty trick that will feed into people's stereotypes about women.
