How communist is today's China?

[Shinova]

So, how communist is China nowdays?


(optional convincing support/studies not needed but nice)

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

The question is, how far do you consider Fascism to be from Communism? And do you mean Leninism/Bloshevism or straight Marx?

[fgalkin]

Not very. I'm sure Mao is spinning so fast in his mausoleum, they'd power all of Beijing if they just plug him in.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

China really is just a classical Corporate State at this point. Props to them for managing an turnabout between Communism and its most hated enemy with a straight face, discounting roffling Mao.

[Shinova]

The question is, how far do you consider Fascism to be from Communism? And do you mean Leninism/Bloshevism or straight Marx?

That's exactly the issue I ran into with someone today that prompted me to make this topic. He seemed to be confusing China's fascist government with a communist economy. Not totally confusing the two, but sort of blur-the-lines not quite sure sort of confused. His arguement was that since the Chinese government can simply take control of someone's wealth and property at whim at any moment the country's still communist. I didn't buy it, but I didn't feel like arguing today so I didn't follow up.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I believe the Chinese government is what a fusion of a corporation and a state look like. It's Communist in Name Only at this point.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Socialist Dictatorship I think. It has elements of socialism, but very authoritarian and of course, no democracy.

[K. A. Pital]

So, how communist is China nowdays?

What do you mean by "communist"? A communist party government, or a socialist state in economics?

His arguement was that since the Chinese government can simply take control of someone's wealth and property at whim at any moment the country's still communist.

That's bullshit. What is the reasoning behind that? A communist government generally is meant to communize all the means of production in the state, which means, there's no "private property" to infringe upon in communism.

Now, China is mostly an authoritarian capitalist state. It has left-wing elements in economy, but a lot of them have withered away.

Can we consider the CPC Marxist-Leninist? Not really.

China's economy today looks far more like Benito Mussolini's fascist state than anything "communist".

[K. A. Pital]

[ray245]

Like my history teacher love to say, the Chinese even during the earlier time, is businessman first and communist second.

I know the coastal areas and cities are basically capitalist, but what about inner china? From what I heard and read, inner china isn't exactly the same as areas like shanghai and etc.

[acesand8s]

I know the coastal areas and cities are basically capitalist, but what about inner china? From what I heard and read, inner china isn't exactly the same as areas like shanghai and etc.

The western cities have not benefited nearly as much as the coastal areas. Beijing is well aware of the growing imbalance between the two regions and has been trying to push develop to the west. For example, a foreign investor will find himself with some very attractive tax benefits if he's willing to build in a city like Chengdu and Chongqing.

Of course, the immense industrialization of Shanghai and Kowloon (the mainland region adjacent to Hong Kong) is starting to work against them. The pollution is truly atrocious there and those with the capacity to move elsewehere are taking the opportunity to do so.

[Ypoknons]

Kowloon (the mainland region adjacent to Hong Kong)

Shenzhen, not Kowloon. Though it's not part of Hong Kong island, Kowloon is part of the SAR (is was ceded in the original settlement, iirc), as is the new territories, and therefore is not considered part of the mainland.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I don't think China is very Communist or even Socialist, hell they're probably the best example of the Libertarian Ideal we have.