Rant on the american people.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-10-06 02:07pm

theski wrote:Mike and Nit.. is this a fair question?..

There were protest across the nation yesterday set up by The World can't Wait..

For the Americans in this thread that think the US is run by thugs and that they all need to go the Hauge.. Did you know about the Protests.. and Did You Go?

Who is this group? What were they protesting against/for?

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-10-06 02:15pm

SirNitram wrote:
theski wrote:Mike and Nit.. is this a fair question?..

There were protest across the nation yesterday set up by The World can't Wait..

For the Americans in this thread that think the US is run by thugs and that they all need to go the Hauge.. Did you know about the Protests.. and Did You Go?
Who is this group? What were they protesting against/for?

Here you go

WCW

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-10-06 02:16pm

theski wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
theski wrote:Mike and Nit.. is this a fair question?..

There were protest across the nation yesterday set up by The World can't Wait..

For the Americans in this thread that think the US is run by thugs and that they all need to go the Hauge.. Did you know about the Protests.. and Did You Go?
Who is this group? What were they protesting against/for?
Here you go

WCW

Oh, cute. Another extremist group who can't put it in plain English, and has to go overboard.

Nevermind they're fundamentally right.. They will never be taken seriously, except when a Right Winger instinctively kneejerks them into the cariacture which ALL protests MUST be like.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-10-06 02:20pm

SirNitram wrote:
theski wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Who is this group? What were they protesting against/for?
Here you go

WCW
Oh, cute. Another extremist group who can't put it in plain English, and has to go overboard.

Nevermind they're fundamentally right.. They will never be taken seriously, except when a Right Winger instinctively kneejerks them into the cariacture which ALL protests MUST be like.

as of right now they seem to be the only organized protest group in large numbers that I can find..

J · Post by J » 2006-10-06 02:21pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:The entire OP is based on a what may be a false premise... that being that years ago Americans were willing to fight (and die if necessary) for their beliefs but that now we won't. I suspect that if you were to actually look at numbers of people involved in revolutions, protests, strikes, etc., you'd see that the proportion of people involved was similar a hundred years ago to what it is today.

Around the turn of the 20th century, there was a big evil oil company by the name of Standard Oil run by a guy named John Rockefeller. He colluded with railroads & refineries to drive all other oil companies out of business, and screwed over a lot of towns in oil country. The town citizens got pissed, organized mass protests, threw their support behind the independant companies, and eventually gathered enough support to lead to the anti-trust breakup of Standard Oil.

Now we have big evil oil companies (the descendents of Standard Oil I might add) who have even more power and influence than Standard Oil in its heyday. And the citizens of America merely grumble and take another one up the butt. You just shrug your shoulders and sigh while the oil companies rake in more money and exercise more power than John D. Rockefeller could ever have imagined in his wildest dreams.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-10-06 02:24pm

theski wrote:as of right now they seem to be the only organized protest group in large numbers that I can find..

Congratulations on finding the point. You get a demerit for staring straight at it and not figuring it out.

That's the problem. The only groups exercising their right to protest of the President being given authority that exceeds the FUCKING MAGNA CARTA, are looney fringe ones, easily and constantly marginalized.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2006-10-06 02:29pm

SirNitram wrote: Oh, cute. Another extremist group who can't put it in plain English, and has to go overboard.

Nevermind they're fundamentally right.. They will never be taken seriously,

Remember the recent "America - Freedom to Fascism" flick? Classic example of this syndrome. Raise a few pertinent questions, but bundle them together with a conspiracy theory so utterly kooky that no-one can look upon it without sniggering. When it comes to generating large doses of apathy, US media truly reigns alone.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-10-06 02:32pm

Eleas wrote:
SirNitram wrote: Oh, cute. Another extremist group who can't put it in plain English, and has to go overboard.

Nevermind they're fundamentally right.. They will never be taken seriously,
Remember the recent "America - Freedom to Fascism" flick? Classic example of this syndrome. Raise a few pertinent questions, but bundle them together with a conspiracy theory so utterly kooky that no-one can look upon it without sniggering. When it comes to generating large doses of apathy, US media truly reigns alone.

That's the problem, really. I seriously wonder if the 'Unitary Executive' camp of the GOP has been acting like it has on purpose.. Knowing that it'd be characterized as Fascism because it shares so much with the historical examples, and thus be able to blow off criticisms with 'Fascism in America? LIES!'.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-10-06 02:37pm

Mind you, the conservative side tends to bundle its beliefs with kooky bullshit of its own, like young-Earth creationism and the idiotic conspiracy theory about a "gay agenda". If anything, extremist pro-Bush groups bundle even crazier bullshit with their political views than extremist anti-Bush groups. But for whatever reason, people in America think that the "gay agenda", Saddam Hussein's invisible hand behind 9/11, and a worldwide political and scientific conspiracy to conceal evidence for Noah's Ark and creationism are all pretty reasonable ideas. Even if they think they're wrong, they don't think they're so ridiculous as to merit open mockery and dismissal by association, the way leftist conspiracy theories are.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2006-10-06 03:50pm

you know mike when Marx said that "Religion is the Opium ofthe Masses" enither radio or Television had yet reared their heads, and yet we get one of the great trueisms of Marx (hey even broken clocks are right once in a while). Now when you have a massive Entertainment/Television system selling fear and religion, the masses continue to obey like the pleasant sheep they are.

On the other hand if I were to continue down this path of thinking, I would have to say that makes disney and fox the biggest drug lords of them all.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2006-10-06 03:56pm

J wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:The entire OP is based on a what may be a false premise... that being that years ago Americans were willing to fight (and die if necessary) for their beliefs but that now we won't. I suspect that if you were to actually look at numbers of people involved in revolutions, protests, strikes, etc., you'd see that the proportion of people involved was similar a hundred years ago to what it is today.
Around the turn of the 20th century, there was a big evil oil company by the name of Standard Oil run by a guy named John Rockefeller. He colluded with railroads & refineries to drive all other oil companies out of business, and screwed over a lot of towns in oil country. The town citizens got pissed, organized mass protests, threw their support behind the independant companies, and eventually gathered enough support to lead to the anti-trust breakup of Standard Oil.

Now we have big evil oil companies (the descendents of Standard Oil I might add) who have even more power and influence than Standard Oil in its heyday. And the citizens of America merely grumble and take another one up the butt. You just shrug your shoulders and sigh while the oil companies rake in more money and exercise more power than John D. Rockefeller could ever have imagined in his wildest dreams.

How are Americans taking it up the ass due to big oil? We have nearly the cheapest gasoline and heating oil on the planet... it's down to about $2.50 per gallon. What does gasoline cost in Europe? Twice, three times that price? We're hardly getting assraped by big oil...

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2006-10-06 04:00pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
How are Americans taking it up the ass due to big oil? We have nearly the cheapest gasoline and heating oil on the planet... it's down to about $2.50 per gallon. What does gasoline cost in Europe? Twice, three times that price? We're hardly getting assraped by big oil...

So the only thing you care about in relation to oil companies is that you don't have to pay much for gas? How about little facts like the oil companies having more clout with the administration than anyone else, to the extent of (probably) inciting an unjustified war and (definitely) making the administration deny the existence of global warming.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2006-10-06 04:11pm

not to mention waiving all those anti-trust laws that originally assraped Rockefeller and eventually AT&T.....

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2006-10-06 04:31pm

kheegan wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:
How are Americans taking it up the ass due to big oil? We have nearly the cheapest gasoline and heating oil on the planet... it's down to about $2.50 per gallon. What does gasoline cost in Europe? Twice, three times that price? We're hardly getting assraped by big oil...
So the only thing you care about in relation to oil companies is that you don't have to pay much for gas? How about little facts like the oil companies having more clout with the administration than anyone else, to the extent of (probably) inciting an unjustified war and (definitely) making the administration deny the existence of global warming.

Jesus fucking Christ

Why don't you try debating honestly, sheepfucker, instead of putting words in my mouth?

J said Americans are getting assraped by the oil companies. She provided no evidence (proof) supporting her assertion. I challenged it (I don't agree) by pointing out that Americans pay less at the pump than anyone else. If you disagree, you dumbfuck, use numbers and PROVE IT!

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2006-10-06 04:37pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
kheegan wrote:
So the only thing you care about in relation to oil companies is that you don't have to pay much for gas? How about little facts like the oil companies having more clout with the administration than anyone else, to the extent of (probably) inciting an unjustified war and (definitely) making the administration deny the existence of global warming.
Jesus fucking Christ

Why don't you try debating honestly, sheepfucker, instead of putting words in my mouth?

J said Americans are getting assraped by the oil companies. She provided no evidence (proof) supporting her assertion. I challenged it (I don't agree) by pointing out that Americans pay less at the pump than anyone else. If you disagree, you dumbfuck, use numbers and PROVE IT!

If you actually fucking bother to read what J said in her post instead of going 0H Noez Ant1-Am3rik@nz!!11 you'd actually realise that she was referring to...

Now we have big evil oil companies (the descendents of Standard Oil I might add) who have even more power and influence than Standard Oil in its heyday. And the citizens of America merely grumble and take another one up the butt. You just shrug your shoulders and sigh while the oil companies rake in more money and exercise more power than John D. Rockefeller could ever have imagined in his wildest dreams.

Instead you trotted out that Americans cheap gasoline, thus everything is fine and rosy!

Pull your star-spangled dick out of your ass and actually address her arguments...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-10-06 04:38pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:Jesus fucking Christ

Why don't you try debating honestly, sheepfucker, instead of putting words in my mouth?

J said Americans are getting assraped by the oil companies. She provided no evidence (proof) supporting her assertion. I challenged it (I don't agree) by pointing out that Americans pay less at the pump than anyone else. If you disagree, you dumbfuck, use numbers and PROVE IT!

The hypocrisy of this is amazing. Your disproof of oil not having influence is that the prices are lower.. And you claim that showing the disproportionate influence is not proof, because you want to talk about prices.

Put the goalposts down, you dishonest little asstard.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-10-06 04:42pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:How are Americans taking it up the ass due to big oil? We have nearly the cheapest gasoline and heating oil on the planet... it's down to about $2.50 per gallon. What does gasoline cost in Europe? Twice, three times that price? We're hardly getting assraped by big oil...

Yeah, you go, girl! The fact that the entire federal government does whatever is in the oil companies' best interests doesn't amount to "ass-raping" as long as the price of oil remains low, right?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-10-06 04:59pm

Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, you go, girl! The fact that the entire federal government does whatever is in the oil companies' best interests doesn't amount to "ass-raping" as long as the price of oil remains low, right?

Uhm, what's good for standard oil is good for the US, due to a key fact; the US is a very transportation-intensive country; due to things being spread out so much; if the flow of oil was interrupted, the economy would be in the crapper.

Morilore · Post by **Morilore** » 2006-10-06 05:05pm

MKSheppard wrote:Uhm, what's good for standard oil is good for the US

Not in the long run it fucking isn't.

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2006-10-06 05:07pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, you go, girl! The fact that the entire federal government does whatever is in the oil companies' best interests doesn't amount to "ass-raping" as long as the price of oil remains low, right?
Uhm, what's good for standard oil is good for the US, due to a key fact; the US is a very transportation-intensive country; due to things being spread out so much; if the flow of oil was interrupted, the economy would be in the crapper.

Do you realise that monopolising and bullying behaviour by one single company to dominate the market isn't generally a healthy thing for the market as a whole?

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2006-10-06 05:09pm

SirNitram wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:Jesus fucking Christ

Why don't you try debating honestly, sheepfucker, instead of putting words in my mouth?

J said Americans are getting assraped by the oil companies. She provided no evidence (proof) supporting her assertion. I challenged it (I don't agree) by pointing out that Americans pay less at the pump than anyone else. If you disagree, you dumbfuck, use numbers and PROVE IT!
The hypocrisy of this is amazing. Your disproof of oil not having influence is that the prices are lower.. And you claim that showing the disproportionate influence is not proof, because you want to talk about prices.

Put the goalposts down, you dishonest little asstard.

Since when do I need to disprove an unsupported assertion? Did I miss something when I read the site rules?

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2006-10-06 05:13pm

kheegan wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:
kheegan wrote:
So the only thing you care about in relation to oil companies is that you don't have to pay much for gas? How about little facts like the oil companies having more clout with the administration than anyone else, to the extent of (probably) inciting an unjustified war and (definitely) making the administration deny the existence of global warming.
Jesus fucking Christ

Why don't you try debating honestly, sheepfucker, instead of putting words in my mouth?

J said Americans are getting assraped by the oil companies. She provided no evidence (proof) supporting her assertion. I challenged it (I don't agree) by pointing out that Americans pay less at the pump than anyone else. If you disagree, you dumbfuck, use numbers and PROVE IT!
If you actually fucking bother to read what J said in her post instead of going 0H Noez Ant1-Am3rik@nz!!11 you'd actually realise that she was referring to...

Now we have big evil oil companies (the descendents of Standard Oil I might add) who have even more power and influence than Standard Oil in its heyday. And the citizens of America merely grumble and take another one up the butt. You just shrug your shoulders and sigh while the oil companies rake in more money and exercise more power than John D. Rockefeller could ever have imagined in his wildest dreams.
Instead you trotted out that Americans cheap gasoline, thus everything is fine and rosy!

Pull your star-spangled dick out of your ass and actually address her arguments...

You're such an idiot... you just gave me such a massive headache.

I'm simply asking that the link be made between power and influence and the assraping of the American people.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2006-10-06 05:19pm

kheegan wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, you go, girl! The fact that the entire federal government does whatever is in the oil companies' best interests doesn't amount to "ass-raping" as long as the price of oil remains low, right?
Uhm, what's good for standard oil is good for the US, due to a key fact; the US is a very transportation-intensive country; due to things being spread out so much; if the flow of oil was interrupted, the economy would be in the crapper.
Do you realise that monopolising and bullying behaviour by one single company to dominate the market isn't generally a healthy thing for the market as a whole?

Yet more prove that you're a complete imbetard. Here's a list of US oil companies (off the top of my head):

ARCO (subsidiary of BP)
Chevron
Citgo (subsidiary of a Venezuelan company)
Conoco
ExxonMobil
Shell
Sunoco
Texaco
Unocal

How in the fuck can you be so ignorant that you think the oil industry is dominated by a single company?

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2006-10-06 05:29pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
Do you realise that monopolising and bullying behaviour by one single company to dominate the market isn't generally a healthy thing for the market as a whole?

Yet more prove that you're a complete imbetard. Here's a list of US oil companies (off the top of my head):

ARCO (subsidiary of BP)
Chevron
Citgo (subsidiary of a Venezuelan company)
Conoco
ExxonMobil
Shell
Sunoco
Texaco
Unocal

How in the fuck can you be so ignorant that you think the oil industry is dominated by a single company?

For fuck's sake can you READ???

MKSheppard wrote: Uhm, what's good for standard oil is good for the US, due to a key fact; the US is a very transportation-intensive country; due to things being spread out so much; if the flow of oil was interrupted, the economy would be in the crapper.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2006-10-06 05:31pm

who in big budiness has looked to the long run of anything since the early 1980s? Hell most companys don't have the attentionspan of a teenaged ferret on crack.