WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One of President George W. Bush's fiercest political opponents at home took his side on Thursday, calling Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez a "thug" for his remark that Bush is like the devil.
"Hugo Chavez fancies himself a modern day Simon Bolivar but all he is an everyday thug," House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said at a news conference, referring to Chavez' comments in a U.N. General Assembly speech on Wednesday.
"Hugo Chavez abused the privilege that he had, speaking at the United Nations," said Pelosi, a frequent Bush critic. "He demeaned himself and he demeaned Venezuela
RANGEL: AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS... 'You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State'...
BEIRUT - Venezuela’s outspoken President Hugo Chavez, who lashed out at his US counterpart George W. Bush from the podium of the UN General Assembly, has scored a big hit with Lebanon’s Iranian-backed Hezbollah.
“Gracias Chavez,” proclaimed large posters hurriedly put up on Thursday by Hezbollah activists in their Shia stronghold of Beirut’s southern suburbs on the eve of a “victory” rally following the group’s war with Israel.
The portrait, showing Chavez in a red shirt and punching the air with a fist, also calls for Israel “to be taken to court for its crimes” during the 34-day war which ended in mid-August after more than 1,200 people were killed in Lebanon alone.
Caracas pulled the Venezuelan charge d’affaires out of Israel in early August to protest its operations inside Lebanon, with Chavez charging that Israel “had lost its mind”.
That Pelosi quote is fairly reasonable; Chavez' comments were those of an ideologue interested in rallying his support, not a statesman interested in solving problems and negotiating compromise.
But Rangel's quote is nothing more than flag-waving semen-stained ranting. Either he actually believes that foreigners have no right to criticize Bush (in which case he's an idiot) or he believes that saying this will help him politically (in which case he's a dishonest little shit).
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RANGEL: AN ATTACK ON BUSH IS AN ATTACK ON ALL AMERICANS...
To paraphrase my big fuck off to her: "George Bush fancies himself a modern day Mahatma Ghandi but all he is an everyday thug".
I see no big difference between Bush and Chavez except that Chavez doesn't have the slightest shred of power to invade and demolish countries at whim in ANY world region potentially disliked by the U.S - just like the U.S. does.
So Bush and his cronies can fuck off.
Chavez is playing for his election base, Bush is playing for his.
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Dunno if you know this, Stas, but Rangel and Pelosi have both been consistently (I think) politically opposed to President Bush (she didn't so much as mention him, much less defend him). I may have misinterpreted your post and mistook it for opposing her, but I saw nothing wrong with her statement.
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Edward Yee wrote:Dunno if you know this, Stas, but Rangel and Pelosi have both been consistently (I think) politically opposed to President Bush (she didn't so much as mention him, much less defend him). I may have misinterpreted your post and mistook it for opposing her, but I saw nothing wrong with her statement.
Regardless of motive or intention. Declaring that an attack on Bush is an attack on all Americans may as well be cronying. If this was coming from Bush's opposition then quite frankly it's little suprise that he's still in power.
Darth Wong wrote:But Rangel's quote is nothing more than flag-waving semen-stained ranting. Either he actually believes that foreigners have no right to criticize Bush (in which case he's an idiot) or he believes that saying this will help him politically (in which case he's a dishonest little shit).
We already know he's a dishonest little shit; he's the guy who introduces a bill to reinstate the draft to Congress every session and then votes against it.
Spyder, that applies only to Rangel; I did not (in any way) intend to defend him or the President, only (in this case) Pelosi, allowing that I may have misinterpreted Stas as criticizing her.
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Rangel as I recall has made some pretty nasty comments about President Bush in the past and his argument reads like a modified version of the chickenhawk argument. Basically he thinks vicious, arbitrarily mean-spirited attacks on politicians are OK as long as you're from the same country.
Furthermore American politicians can and certainly have gone to other countries to criticize their leaders - Barack Obama did exactly this a few weeks ago in Kenya, in fact - and I doubt Rangel would have the same criticism for Obama. Of course, Rangel seems to enjoy saying things in doesn't believe in for political reasons - his "support" for the reinstatement of the draft, for example - and I see no reason to assume he's doing otherwise here.
Nancy Pelosi earns a few points in my book, though.
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Ah. So Rangel is a "he"? I've just mistook the surname for a woman. In this case, his statement:
If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not.
has an obvious stench of hypocrisy. It's just plain wrong, and showing off in such a way means that you're ready to suck Bush's cock if someone publically insults him.
Did he not notice that many of the UK, Europe, all-over-the-world protestors have criticized Bush? And with just the same words as Chavez. In fact, I saw on the news people in the UK burning a muppet Bush with horns and 666.
Can people mock and insult Bush? Yes. And they very well should be free to do it.
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Rangel is a he. Situation clarified and resolved, it seems. Just happened to be confused when you first quoted/reacted to Pelosi's statement.
"Yee's proposal is exactly the sort of thing I would expect some Washington legal eagle to do. In fact, it could even be argued it would be unrealistic to not have a scene in the next book of, say, a Congressman Yee submit the Yee Act for consideration. " - bcoogler on this
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Edward Yee wrote:Rangel is a he. Situation clarified and resolved, it seems.
The mistake is understandable. If Rangel were a real man he'd stand up for what he believes in, instead of standing up only when he thinks it is advantageous to do so.
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