Stewart at SDI wrote:
The arguments posted here and other plases cite several figures for the energy required to blast the planet apart. At least one is based on the asumption that the fragments are moving at some large fraction of C. I must assume that the source for this is one of the books because one of the other posters claimed it was Cannon.
That is an observation, not an assumption.
This assumption that the fragments are moving at any apreaciatable fraction of the speed of light is clearly in opposition to the event protraid in the movie. For all we know the fragments might not even have "escape velocity"! Thus the calculations of the energy required are plainly flawed.
Carefull fraim by fraim measurements of the speed of the fastest fragments moving perpendicular to the line of sight indicates a velosity of only 1.385 planetary diamiters per second.
1.385 planetary diameters per second is more than 17000 km/s, which is more than 5% of c, fool. Can't you operate a fucking calculator?
That a later book claims a vastly diferent figure, one and a half orders of magnatude higher, brings us to the dilemma. If the fastest fragments are traveling less than 12,000 Km/S and the slowest are going one onehundredth of that speed, what is the total energy? Clearly it is not any were neer what is claimed elsewere on this site.
Irregardless of the mass of the planet, dealing only with the part of the equasion that comes from the velosity of the mass, the differance between the two figures can be easily calculated.
((12,000*12,000=144,000,000)+(1,200*1,200=1,440,000))/2=72,720,000 As calculated from the direct evidence of the film, yealds a velocity factor just under 73 million.
150,000*150,000=2.25^10 or 22,500,000,000 as stated in a book. the differance between the two figures is 309.4.
Therefore, given any figure of mass the two answers for total energy will dissagree by over 300 times.
What book are you talking about? I refuse to believe that anyone with a genuine technical background would be so sloppy as to reference unnamed sources as regularly as you do.
Since the movie cuts away before we get to see the entire event, we have to assume the total velocity factor. However, when Solo arives, there are pieces of planet moving at very low velocities, on the order of M/S. Not tens of M/S, but surely less and posably at fractions of M/S. Using this figure as the lower boundary in the velocity equasion above, the differance factor becomes 625!
Except that he sees nothing but black space behind those fragments. If the majority of the planet's mass was still in place, he would see an expanding planet, not a few rocks in empty space. There was so little remaining mass that he thought he was in the wrong place
If the Falcon has any residual speed after comming out of hyperspace, the fragments must be moving parrallel to his course but slower than it is moving. That would imply that at least some of the fragments did not have sufficiant velocity to escape the gravity well of the total mass. Since the Falcon appiers to be moving when it comes out into the metior storm, this is the most likely scenario. That means that the "corect" answer must lie someplace between the two factors computed above.
More bullshit. Entropic particle collisions in a chaotic debris field can easily fling material back toward the original location. The fact that there was so little of this material indicates that the vast majority of the planet is, in fact, nowhere to be seen.
My "POCKET REF" by Thomas J. Glover states the mass of the Earth as 1.317^25 pounds or by my calculator 6^21 metric tons in nice round numbers. If Alderan were approximately the same mass as Earth, then the total energy would be about 4.32^32th or about seven orders of magnatude less than that cited in the book. IIRC The variables cited above could lower this figure by a factor less than ten but no more in my oppinion. Still a prodigious amount of energy.
For the second time, what book? I have never seen this book you speak of, and your failure to name it does not build confidence.
The above is not realivant to our discussion because SoD requires that the planet explode and so it must. We are just arguing on the total power needed to do the job. All of the above figures are approximate, since TV does not have sufficiant resolution to get closer than this.
Disagrements? Sincerely, Stewart.
Read this before you waste any more of our time with your dishonest and ignorant bleatings.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... eraan.html