DARTH WONG

[Lord Poe]

So, um... Are we waiting for Andie Talon to do something here, or is he out for the count after the "Blasters vs Phasers" nonsense?

We won't hear any more from this idiot, unless Darkstar updates the sections he cut and pasted here.

[Slartibartfast]

Trolls don't seem to be cut from the same cloth as their master Darkstar. Now there was a troll who knew how to take a beating and come right back for more. Damnit why can't this new generation of slacker trolls show some of the same gumption. I fear that like the blood of Numenor, the blood of the megatrolls is spent.

Where is Sovereign when you need him?

[Master of Ossus]

So, um... Are we waiting for Andie Talon to do something here, or is he out for the count after the "Blasters vs Phasers" nonsense?

We won't hear any more from this idiot, unless Darkstar updates the sections he cut and pasted here.

Unlikely. I already destroyed those sections of his website and he didn't bother to change them.

[Kamakazie Sith]

So, um... Are we waiting for Andie Talon to do something here, or is he out for the count after the "Blasters vs Phasers" nonsense?

We won't hear any more from this idiot, unless Darkstar updates the sections he cut and pasted here.

Unlikely. I already destroyed those sections of his website and he didn't bother to change them.

Why would he?

[Master of Ossus]

Why would he?

Maybe because I demonstrated CLEARLY that some of his conclusions were objectively wrong (ie. That the reflected blaster bolts richocheted off of reflective surfaces since they are "glorified lasers"--shown wrong by a screen-cap of a blaster bolt being deflected by the GROUND in TPM).

You're right, though, since to modify his pages in response to my critique would show integrity, there's really no reason to expect him to change much on his site in response to anything I say.

He told me over a month ago that my points in regards to the MCR theory were easily defeated and laughable. He said that he would update his site in response to those. That was a MONTH AGO. Now, granted, updating a website takes time, but he's updated his site since then and working on vs. debates on SB.com and elsewhere, and frankly if my points were so easily defeated it shouldn't take much time to defeat them (particularly in light of the fact that he complains whenever similar objections are raised).

[Darth Wong]

Unlikely. I already destroyed those sections of his website and he didn't bother to change them.

Why would he?

He would do so if he could.

The problem is that his lame-ass arguments have not really changed since Day One. He still clings to his "parallel universe" sentence fragment as a universal disproof for anything said anywhere else by anyone no matter who it is (even if it's George himself). He still claims that his undefined bullshit theory somehow predicts the rings even though he can't explain how, and he still claims that the "artificial sun" metaphor means "the Death Star's main reactor runs on nuclear fusion", overriding any and all other forms of evidence even if they're explicit statements such as "hypermatter reactor".

Ultimately, it's tempting to conclude that he's engaged in some clever deceitful propaganda tactics, but it's far more probable that he simply lacks the intellectual capacity to come up with anything betters, so he really has no choice but to mindlessly repeat his claims.

[Howedar]

I have to disagree with you on that one. Having waded through Darkstar's piles of shit and debated with him at length about them, its clear to me the man is far from stupid. The way I see it, he just picked sides a long time ago and has been categorically unable to admit defeat. He has done some extremely stupid things to try to uphold his position, but I think RSA himself is not a stupid person.

[Darth Wong]

I have to disagree with you on that one. Having waded through Darkstar's piles of shit and debated with him at length about them, its clear to me the man is far from stupid. The way I see it, he just picked sides a long time ago and has been categorically unable to admit defeat. He has done some extremely stupid things to try to uphold his position, but I think RSA himself is not a stupid person.

How do you measure stupidity? Anyone who makes the same argument fifty times in a row and simply ignores rebuttals is clearly stupid if he thinks he will convince anyone but fellow idiots.

The fact that he can spell and imitate the prose style of his betters does not mean he actually possesses genuine intelligence. Haven't you noticed how he tends to copy clever or useful turns of a phrase from people he debates? He can't even come up with original ways of saying things, so he just copies phrases and sentence fragments from other people. This is hardly the act of an intelligent person.

[Gandalf]

I have to disagree with you on that one. Having waded through Darkstar's piles of shit and debated with him at length about them, its clear to me the man is far from stupid. The way I see it, he just picked sides a long time ago and has been categorically unable to admit defeat. He has done some extremely stupid things to try to uphold his position, but I think RSA himself is not a stupid person.

I wish to agree with you. If I'd found Darkstar's site before this one I'd be just like him too.

[Darth Wong]

I have to disagree with you on that one. Having waded through Darkstar's piles of shit and debated with him at length about them, its clear to me the man is far from stupid. The way I see it, he just picked sides a long time ago and has been categorically unable to admit defeat. He has done some extremely stupid things to try to uphold his position, but I think RSA himself is not a stupid person.

I wish to agree with you. If I'd found Darkstar's site before this one I'd be just like him too.

Why, then, do his fanboys invariably turn out to be idiots? Anyone who is convinced by his site would undoubtedly find his state of credulity to be only temporary as soon as he discovers any of the common rebuttals. Those who stick with him even after seeing rebuttals to his material can only be morons.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Why would he?

Maybe because I demonstrated CLEARLY that some of his conclusions were objectively wrong (ie. That the reflected blaster bolts richocheted off of reflective surfaces since they are "glorified lasers"--shown wrong by a screen-cap of a blaster bolt being deflected by the GROUND in TPM).

You're right, though, since to modify his pages in response to my critique would show integrity, there's really no reason to expect him to change much on his site in response to anything I say.

He told me over a month ago that my points in regards to the MCR theory were easily defeated and laughable. He said that he would update his site in response to those. That was a MONTH AGO. Now, granted, updating a website takes time, but he's updated his site since then and working on vs. debates on SB.com and elsewhere, and frankly if my points were so easily defeated it shouldn't take much time to defeat them (particularly in light of the fact that he complains whenever similar objections are raised).

MoO, Darkstar will never admit defeat. Spending anymore time on him is pointless. If hell does freeze over and Darkstar actually does update his site, then you win. If he does what I expect him to, nothing, then you still win because he has not put up any rebuttal.

However, this is why he is engaged in a smear campaign against SD.net and it's members. If he makes SD.net look bad to people who see his site first then they will be less likely to listen to anything on SD.net or from it's members, and he also gains loyalty with those who are new to the debates. (AJT for example)


Darkstar is breeding an army of trolls....

[Kamakazie Sith]

Unlikely. I already destroyed those sections of his website and he didn't bother to change them.

Why would he?

He would do so if he could.

The problem is that his lame-ass arguments have not really changed since Day One. He still clings to his "parallel universe" sentence fragment as a universal disproof for anything said anywhere else by anyone no matter who it is (even if it's George himself). He still claims that his undefined bullshit theory somehow predicts the rings even though he can't explain how, and he still claims that the "artificial sun" metaphor means "the Death Star's main reactor runs on nuclear fusion", overriding any and all other forms of evidence even if they're explicit statements such as "hypermatter reactor".

Ultimately, it's tempting to conclude that he's engaged in some clever deceitful propaganda tactics, but it's far more probable that he simply lacks the intellectual capacity to come up with anything betters, so he really has no choice but to mindlessly repeat his claims.

I think it's exactly that. It's a huge propaganda campaign against this website, which you have to admit is the fortress for the pro-sw side of the ST vs. SW debates.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I have to disagree with you on that one. Having waded through Darkstar's piles of shit and debated with him at length about them, its clear to me the man is far from stupid. The way I see it, he just picked sides a long time ago and has been categorically unable to admit defeat. He has done some extremely stupid things to try to uphold his position, but I think RSA himself is not a stupid person.

How do you measure stupidity? Anyone who makes the same argument fifty times in a row and simply ignores rebuttals is clearly stupid if he thinks he will convince anyone but fellow idiots.

The fact that he can spell and imitate the prose style of his betters does not mean he actually possesses genuine intelligence. Haven't you noticed how he tends to copy clever or useful turns of a phrase from people he debates? He can't even come up with original ways of saying things, so he just copies phrases and sentence fragments from other people. This is hardly the act of an intelligent person.

Darkstar is simply trying to convince a large number of people that he is right, and the best way to do that when presented with an argument that you can't beat is to pretend that it simply does not exist.

[Howedar]

How do you measure stupidity? Anyone who makes the same argument fifty times in a row and simply ignores rebuttals is clearly stupid if he thinks he will convince anyone but fellow idiots.

Yes, but does he think this?

I do know he's got a better chance to convince people by ignoring rebuttals than by responding to them.

The fact that he can spell and imitate the prose style of his betters does not mean he actually possesses genuine intelligence. Haven't you noticed how he tends to copy clever or useful turns of a phrase from people he debates? He can't even come up with original ways of saying things, so he just copies phrases and sentence fragments from other people. This is hardly the act of an intelligent person.

Meh. I disagree, but its been a while since I debated him.

[Darth Wong]

Meh. I disagree, but its been a while since I debated him.

I think we probably disagree on the definition of intelligence. I note that his methods have not evolved at all after his initial attempt to basically copy the tactics of Timothy Jones and certain forms of pseudoscientific language (in fact, he seems to have gotten worse), and the ability to learn and grow is basically intelligence. Perhaps one might argue that he is intelligent if you are working with some other definition of intelligence (eg- capable of using tools, not drooling on himself).

[Darth Wong]

I think it's exactly that. It's a huge propaganda campaign against this website, which you have to admit is the fortress for the pro-sw side of the ST vs. SW debates.

Not a particularly effective one, when even someone as completely disinterested in this debate such as the somethingawful.co* guy can clearly see that he's simply out of his mind by taking a brief cruise through his site. His personal obsessive hatred for me virtually bleeds out of the monitor, and I can't imagine that any reasonable person would not notice it.

[Kamakazie Sith]

I think it's exactly that. It's a huge propaganda campaign against this website, which you have to admit is the fortress for the pro-sw side of the ST vs. SW debates.

Not a particularly effective one, when even someone as completely disinterested in this debate such as the somethingawful.co* guy can clearly see that he's simply out of his mind by taking a brief cruise through his site. His personal obsessive hatred for me virtually bleeds out of the monitor, and I can't imagine that any reasonable person would not notice it.

I don't know about that. Most people have a hard time understanding these debates. IIRC that same guy thought we were also crazy just not as crazy as Darkstar.

[Darth Wong]

I don't know about that. Most people have a hard time understanding these debates.

Correction: most people have a hard time caring about these debates.

IIRC that same guy thought we were also crazy just not as crazy as Darkstar.

Yup, that's what he said. But to be more precise, he said that he thinks everyone who participates in this nonsense is nuts, but that Darkstar is a genuine full-blown paranoid loony. That much is obvious from perusing his site.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Correction: most people have a hard time caring about these debates.

Your absolutely correct.

Yup, that's what he said. But to be more precise, he said that he thinks everyone who participates in this nonsense is nuts, but that Darkstar is a genuine full-blown paranoid loony. That much is obvious from perusing his site.

True.

But you can always count on people like AJT, who will be swallowed up in it.

[Stuart Mackey]

snip Perhaps one might argue that he is intelligent if you are working with some other definition of intelligence (eg- capable of using tools, not drooling on himself).

Well none of us have seen the individual in question, so I shall hold judgment on the issue of RSA drooling on himself. He may be able to use tools as he has demonstrated an ability to type and put up a website..of course that could be simply a higher form of controled, directional drooling.

[Kamakazie Sith]

snip Perhaps one might argue that he is intelligent if you are working with some other definition of intelligence (eg- capable of using tools, not drooling on himself).

Well none of us have seen the individual in question, so I shall hold judgment on the issue of RSA drooling on himself. He may be able to use tools as he has demonstrated an ability to type and put up a website..of course that could be simply a higher form of controled, directional drooling.

You have to admit that the existence of directional controlled drooling would be fascinating.

[Howedar]

Meh. I disagree, but its been a while since I debated him.

I think we probably disagree on the definition of intelligence. I note that his methods have not evolved at all after his initial attempt to basically copy the tactics of Timothy Jones and certain forms of pseudoscientific language (in fact, he seems to have gotten worse), and the ability to learn and grow is basically intelligence. Perhaps one might argue that he is intelligent if you are working with some other definition of intelligence (eg- capable of using tools, not drooling on himself).

Yeah, I guess thats my view on the matter.

[Connor MacLeod]

And unlike you, many others actually remember and honour Connor Macleod for his debating contributions, like his feat in making the idiotator Rvalencia swear.

LOL! Really? Good job, Connor!

Thanks. I believe I suffered severe trauma in the process. I'll never be quite the same again.

[Howedar]

Someone remind me why we haven't VIed/WTPFed/banned him?

[Lord Pounder]

The ability to put up nd have a website isn't that hard. Given the existance of WYSIWYG programs like Frontpage it's very easy to design a web site. Hosting is no problem either. There are thousands of very reasonable web providers. Hell my ISP alone gives me 10Mgs of web space.