What's the point???

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-11 01:01pm

The guy who has to keep on comming up with new technobabble for every episode, that is the one most miserable.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-11 02:28pm

I agree. I wonder when that poor guy will run out of terms?

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-11 02:37pm

When Hell freezes over.

John Clark · Post by **John Clark** » 2002-07-11 07:44pm

I wonder where the ultimate suffering is on earth. There must be someone on ST Earth that lives the worst existence and everyone known about it. In order to be happy, you must know what sad is.

roflmao! Well, the Federation is horrible! Never see people suffering all that much, therefore the Federation must be simply ATROCIOUS! bmfhotcilsh!

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-07-11 08:20pm

Calm down there, Clark. Joy only exists because you have sorrow to compare it with. Read, "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas", it explains it better than I can.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-12 01:13am

Personally I think Data does deserve the rights and priveledges a biological would enjoy. Data was proved to fit the three requirements for life. Data's deserving of sentience is a bit of a touchier subject, it all really depends on your opinion. I know Trek fans who think Data should not have been acknowledged as a living being, I disagree with them, but that's my opinion and that's their's. Data's right to be free isn't something that can be proved or disproved like the myth that the Federation is an evil fascist state. It all boils down to what your values are. I personally think that life, true life, is not defined by whether not someone is made of flesh or artificial materials or whether or not somebody was borne by a natural biological process or built.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-07-12 01:31am

Boy, the bullshit-o-meter is off the charts...
(not aimed specifically at SCVN's last post)

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 02:18am

I don't suppose you'd mind making that vague statement a little more specific and backing it up with hard facts?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 02:23am

SCVN 2812: Read his sig - what do you think?

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 02:56am

Then he is what his sig says he is, an evil Warsie ass hole, and then some, he's stupid prick who slams arguments without offering any counter argument of his own to support his bullshit claims of this thread being bullshit. A shining example of the kind of ignorant person who shouldn't even be allowed to watch sci-fi or discuss it online in what is supposed to be, in theory but for the most part not in practice, a forum for serious discussion.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 03:02am

This forum seems to be worse than space battles for flaming except people dont keep shouting about the culture - whatever that is.

However I have only be going to SB for a few days so I might have hit upon a quiet time.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 03:11am

This forum and the site have raised a bit of curiosity in me. I might visit myself, probably won't be that active a member though, I hate large message boards.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 03:18am

Well over there peolpe can say Starfleet without being assaulted or accussed of supporting evil amoral godless commies.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 03:28am

Wow, that's kind of like the message boards I go to, general sci-fi interest ones. Although I do go to two Stargate oriented ones.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 03:30am

Hmm SG1 new episode today.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 03:33am

Yeah it was pretty good, I kind of wish I hadn't read the spoilers for it ahead of time so I didn't know what was going on at first, but I just can't help myself, and I'm working on a Stargate SG-1/Star Trek empire builder rpg, so I have to keep versed on new techs and anything that might effect it.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 03:35am

I download them living here in the UK

- last year we got the last half of the season first, very odd.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 03:38am

Well that sucks. Well it's late here in the States, so I'm off to bed. Debating, especially here, is tiring work lol

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-07-13 10:30am

TheDarkling wrote:<Snip>

IDMR: They wouldnt have kept the kid - he would have appealed and gotten her back - he could have pulled the resigning stuff again (The admiral ordered him to hand her over).

Will you be so good as to elaborate on the point? I rather think he might, but I do not share your certainty.

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-07-13 10:34am

TheDarkling wrote:This forum seems to be worse than space battles for flaming except people dont keep shouting about the culture - whatever that is.

However I have only be going to SB for a few days so I might have hit upon a quiet time.

::Shrugs:: Mike's policies. That and the fact that this forum attracts fanatical trekkies and warsies alike, and then lock them in a room.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 11:07am

IDMR: Well its basically social services taking the Kid because data was judged to be an unfit parent - so you see it happens nower days.

However Picard refused to let her leave the ship - he offered to warp into earth orbit and stop off at the federation supreme court where he would have done a great speech, the admiral would realise his error and everyone would have gone about their business.

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-07-13 11:18am

TheDarkling wrote:IDMR: Well its basically social services taking the Kid because data was judged to be an unfit parent - so you see it happens nower days.

However Picard refused to let her leave the ship - he offered to warp into earth orbit and stop off at the federation supreme court where he would have done a great speech, the admiral would realise his error and everyone would have gone about their business.

I put it to you that they were clearly more interested in Lal's (that's the android's name, right?) technology than anything else. The pretext was Data's fitness as a parent, but I hardly think the Admiral (apparently also a skilled cyberneticist) were simply dropping by for the Social Services.

And that probably would have been how it would have happened in a TNG episode, but one must suspend disbelief when discussing these things.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 11:34am

Yes I agree they were interested in the tech more but they probably did believe Data to be unfit.
However we have seen Datas rights be threatened before and the courts ruled in his favour - they couldnt have done otherwise since htere was already law supporting Datas position.

However the point here is if the Federation brainwashed everyone to submit to the state Picard would have just handed her over and that would have been the end of it.