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Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Generalissimo » 2017-01-09 11:22am

Those poor Federation soldiers weren't ready to handle brutal fighting on AR-558. Let's replace them with battle hardened veterans used to impossible odds! Saw Gerrera and his Jedha Insurgency are fighting to capture and ultimately hold the Dominion subspace communication array (assume support of just enough Starfleet engineers to keep it running) on AR-558. Gerrera is expecting Federation relief in 90 days but nobody is coming until after five months. How do Saw's crew of comparatively ragtag band of insurgents handle overwhelming odds of the siege?

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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby FaxModem1 » 2017-01-09 12:55pm

He feeds Jem Hadar to the mind squid?
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Lord Revan » 2017-01-09 01:43pm

from what I've read that thing was rather weak physically. That said I suspect that Saw's men are fairly experienced at defending chokepoints against a superior foe. Fighting against overwhelming odds is essentially that Saw has being doing the last 20 years ever since the CIS invasion of Onderon.

I mean the UFP team was able to hold for most of that time anyway and Saw isn't above mining the cave entrence with enough detpacks to send any Jemhadar attackers into low orbit without a space craft (assuming he was access to enough explosives to do so).
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Generalissimo » 2017-01-09 02:23pm

FaxModem1 wrote:He feeds Jem Hadar to the mind squid?
It's a legitimate strategy to manage 'prisoners' ?

Lord Revan wrote:Fighting against overwhelming odds is essentially that Saw has being doing the last 20 years ever since the CIS invasion of Onderon.
I picked this because it's type of battle suited to Gerrera.
Extended siege, limited supplies, and lacking ability to withdraw seem an interesting handicap.

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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Lord Revan » 2017-01-10 01:54am

Limited supplies shouldn't be a problem for Saw or his partisans he's probably happy that said lack of supplies isn't chronic like normally for him and there's semi-certain resupply coming. Being stuck in at more or less a single location might be a bit of an issue.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby The Romulan Republic » 2017-01-11 06:16pm

Do Saw's gang have their own weapons/gear? This isn't the kind of warfare they're used to (defending a fixed point rather than fighting a guerrilla war), so while I doubt they'll do much worse than the canon force (if only because they're more used to how brutal war can get than a lot of Federation guys), I doubt they'll do much better either, in terms of their personal ability. They didn't seem the most disciplined or organized group in the film.

But give them blasters and grenades and what have you, and that might affect their performance considerably.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Shroom Man 777 » 2017-01-13 12:47am

Do Partisan black-painted X-Wings get included in the Gerrerist package?
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Generalissimo » 2017-01-14 02:03pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Do Partisan black-painted X-Wings get included in the Gerrerist package?
Going to begin with noting how "Gerrerist" is delightful nomenclature for these partisans.
"Gerrerist" rolls off tongue so well.
So far as your question. . .
. . . Gerrerists must rely entirely on Starfleet for space/air support.
Just as the original battle.

The Romulan Republic wrote:Do Saw's gang have their own weapons/gear? This isn't the kind of warfare they're used to (defending a fixed point rather than fighting a guerrilla war), so while I doubt they'll do much worse than the canon force (if only because they're more used to how brutal war can get than a lot of Federation guys), I doubt they'll do much better either, in terms of their personal ability. They didn't seem the most disciplined or organized group in the film.

But give them blasters and grenades and what have you, and that might affect their performance considerably.
Saw's gang have their own weapons/gear to hold AR-558's subspace communication array.
Of course being guerrillas additional equipment can still be scavenged off dead enemies.

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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Generalissimo » 2017-01-23 08:07pm

Lord Revan wrote:stuck in at more or less a single location might be a bit of an issue.
“One fighter with a sharp stick, with nothing left to lose, can win the day.” - Saw Gerrera

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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Lord Revan » 2017-01-24 01:44am

Generalissimo wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:stuck in at more or less a single location might be a bit of an issue.
“One fighter with a sharp stick, with nothing left to lose, can win the day.” - Saw Gerrera

where is that from? I don't remember him saying anything like that in Geonosis arc in Rebels, though I've not seen the Onderon arc of Clone Wars.

That said what I meant that being tied to a single fairly small location and forced to defend that might cause issues as I suspect that partisans would typically relocate if things got too hairy then fight it out.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Shroom Man 777 » 2017-01-24 01:51am

Jyn was quoting Saw Gerrera in Rogue One.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Lord Revan » 2017-01-31 03:06am

That would make sense, that said Saw's partisan as far as I know never had any access to military vehicles of any type. Though they did had access to explosives though enough to disable that imperial "tank" in Jedha as well as having anti-armor weapons both if used correctly could ruin the Jem'hadar's day. Another intresting question is that can the partisans convert the cloaked mines the dominion has or will those be an exclusively dominion asset.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Elheru Aran » 2017-01-31 10:38am

Lord Revan wrote:That would make sense, that said Saw's partisan as far as I know never had any access to military vehicles of any type.


They had X-wings; you see them in a scene outside their hideaway. Unless you mean *ground* vehicles.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Lord Revan » 2017-01-31 01:16pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:That would make sense, that said Saw's partisan as far as I know never had any access to military vehicles of any type.


They had X-wings; you see them in a scene outside their hideaway. Unless you mean *ground* vehicles.

oh must have missed them then and I meant any vehicle not ground based ones. I'll admit I've seen Rogue One only once.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby FaxModem1 » 2017-01-31 07:18pm

Saw has never demonstrated much technical ability. I don't think Saw can hack the Houdinis, and will face losses due to it. Unless he has R2 or Chopper with him. That is going to lead to some heavy casualties on his side. Hell, it may cost him his own life, making his band of rebels leaderless.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby Shroom Man 777 » 2017-01-31 07:59pm

Folks don't know the proficiency of Saw's team mates though... If his partisans operated X-Wings, then they might have astromechs. And personnel - meatbag or droid - with the ability to maintain sophisticated equipment, at least SW starfighter-grade in sophistication.
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Re: Saw Gerrera versus Siege of AR-558

Postby FaxModem1 » 2017-02-01 12:32am

Saw's plucky band of rebels will have to A.) break through the jamming signals preventing scanning equipment(unless Wars hand scanners can overcome Trek jamming tech, can it?), B.) locate the mines in subspace, something none of them have experience with, and C.) reprogram or disarm every last one of them.

In the episode, an ordinary Starfleet engineer like Kellin wasn't able to crack it with months of time to do so. It took Ezri Dax's previous lifetimes of experience to do all of this. Saw might have someone just that good on his team, but that is rather unknown. It's more probable that Saw faces IEDs against his men whenever he tries to put them anywhere.
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