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Postby Darth Thanatos » 2016-08-26 08:13pm

What it says on the tin. What Star Trek tech would be adopted by those living in the Empire? Civilian? Military?
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Postby DesertFly » 2016-08-26 10:35pm

The only tech I can think of that is not already evident in the Star Wars galaxy is transporters. Star Wars has already demonstrated better shields, power generation, troop protection, combined arms, and faster FTL (which may not be true when you take the Kelvin Timeline into account). The ability to move troops, equipment and cargo from orbit to ground in seconds seems like an upgrade over standard shuttles/landing craft.
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Postby FaxModem1 » 2016-08-26 11:01pm

Replicators, holodecks, and Federation medicine(such as cloned limbs) will all be improvements of what they have during the Imperial era.

Astrometrics might be an improvement to Imperial scanners. On that one, I have no idea how it compares to Imperial scanning technology.
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Postby Sea Skimmer » 2016-08-27 12:27am

We never get much on Imperial scanners but they seem less precise in general, more akin to real life. No doubt Federation scanners while not highly reliable are pretty damn incredible when they do work, they'd be sure to have some value. Medical tech would be valuable, holodecks maybe less so in strategic terms in a universe with such highly advanced driods (and thus computers in general, considering what droids do), but they'd be very profitable for R&R.

Warp drive would have tactical use since they can be used without precalculations, but that might not be worth mounting on major warships. Mass lighting tech could be very valuable.

Trek also has a shitload of far out one off tech that could be a revolution, but since most of it is literally one off except cloaking devices, which we know are imperfect, its hard to judge how that really stacks up. Like the what, four or five different forms of time travel? And that crewman-creature that let the E-D leave the Galaxy by mistake.
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Postby Adam Reynolds » 2016-08-27 12:33am

Transporters are potentially quite philosophically problematic for those attuned to the Force. Especially given that said people tend to almost always have a major role in government and would likely squash any technology that did something like this.

The reason why no one uses such technology in Star Wars is because their transit speeds are so high. When you can literally get to orbit in seconds in a starship, why take the step of using a transporter?

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Postby Sea Skimmer » 2016-08-27 12:46am

Yeah that seems like a pretty solid reason not to give a damn and part of why I ignored it. Also Star Wars is totally the kind of universe where people would engineer transport inhibitors into stuff like light fixtures and door frames because the potential for misuse is too blindly obvious. After a few years of construction like that they'd become so pervasive that they'd be unworkable in any developed area.
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Postby Zor » 2016-08-27 01:08am

Replicators would be pretty damn useful. Sure they can't make a perfect souffle and Admiral Ackbar's chef cousin can prepare better space sushi, but they could be useful for increasing the menu options on a Star Destroyer or making replacement electrical insulation and similar replacement parts in the field.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » 2016-08-27 12:31pm

DesertFly wrote:The only tech I can think of that is not already evident in the Star Wars galaxy is transporters. Star Wars has already demonstrated better shields, power generation, troop protection, combined arms, and faster FTL (which may not be true when you take the Kelvin Timeline into account). The ability to move troops, equipment and cargo from orbit to ground in seconds seems like an upgrade over standard shuttles/landing craft.


What about holodecks?

Star Wars has holograms, but the ones in the films, at least, seem decidedly cruder and less advanced than Federation counterparts.
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Postby Adam Reynolds » 2016-08-27 12:56pm

Clone Wars shows holograms that are comparable to the Star Trek version, as well as a SW tricoder equivalent. The cheap obviously transparent variety is only used for communications, in which data limits are likely an issue, as well as in tactical planning, in which it is useful to be able to point through the object. As well as the fact that it is useful to have such a system require very little power during combat.

They are used for things like covert operations in which they need to fool others, allowing perfect disguises. They are also interestingly used in forensic reconstruction of crimes. Though we don't see the forcefield - hologram interaction that is done with the holodeck in Star Wars. Training seems to be done against real enemies in some sense, though simulators are common for vehicles.

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Postby DarthPooky » 2016-08-30 02:19am

I would think that Star Wars medical and sensor tech is more advanced than Federation medical and sensor tech. Because galactic civilization in Star Wars has bin around much much longer than the Federation. Also with most of the galaxy colonised and fully developed there is a massive population. Way more than the federation or even its surrounding Neighbors put to gather which means there are many more people in the Star Wars galaxy that are in the area's of science and Technology. There's also the fact that the Star Wars galaxy is way more advanced in most other areas exp.(power generation.industrial infastructor.speed both FTL and STL.weapons tech.the ability to build death stars.) and when one airea of technology is developed or advances it affects other technologys and sceiences which is another reason why I think this is as well.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » 2016-08-30 02:44am

Well, we certainly see Star Trek medical tech. doing things that Star Wars tech. doesn't duplicate in the films, at least.

Has Star Wars tech. ever casually changed someone's species? Created holographic organs when a transplant wasn't available?
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Postby Eternal_Freedom » 2016-08-30 01:36pm

Something that occurred to me over my lunch break today; does SW have any equivalent to a Universal Translator? Sure we have C-3PO with his six million forms of communication, but have we seen him (or similar) translate a completely new language from a handful of phrases like the UT does? Or provide simultaneous real-time translation of languages?
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Postby Elheru Aran » 2016-08-30 02:37pm

Threepio does pretty well when they run into the Ewoks.

Part of the difference there though is that a large proportion of the SW galaxy has *already* been explored; there's little need to have a translator that works like the UT, rather it's easier to have a droid with a massive database of languages and the software to translate back and forth between Basic and whatever language is needed. The SW equivalent of a phrase-book, so to speak, just a bit smarter.

As to translation incidents... honestly I don't think there have been any where they've encountered a completely unknown culture/species and had to deal with translating. The Yuuzhan Vong might be the closest equivalent, but they already knew Basic. Chiss maybe? I want to say that Outbound Flight might have involved translation at some point when they ran into the Chiss...
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Postby Darth Thanatos » 2016-08-31 03:51pm

I feel the UT would be used. It's obviously much more portable than a protocol droid, as you can stick it just about anywhere.

Holodeck-technology(with those potentially fatal bugs worked out) would be used for both R&R and combat training, as literally any terrain, enemy and scenario could be programmed in short of zero-g boarding(unless I'm forgetting some antigravity chamber tech they have).

Phasers, I think, may be permitted to be sold in the Empire minus the kill settings, as a combination self-defense weapon and tool. The ISB might also use them when they desire to inflict a less severe torture than an all-out Burning... other than that I don't think that the maximum setting would be considered much different than a disruptor rifle.
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Postby Darth Thanatos » 2016-08-31 03:53pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, we certainly see Star Trek medical tech. doing things that Star Wars tech. doesn't duplicate in the films, at least.

Has Star Wars tech. ever casually changed someone's species? Created holographic organs when a transplant wasn't available?

Personally I think that they can casually change someone's species because in the Trekverse the entire galaxy was seeded with the DNA of a single race.
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Postby Khaat » 2016-08-31 04:00pm

Also not changing species so much as merely altering the appearance to that of another species (STOS: Enterprise Incident, STTNG: Face of the Enemy, Reunification Pt1 & 2).

If they actually changed someone's biology in DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise, I'm glad to say I missed it.
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I'll repost what I did in the E-D in the SW universe thread. Essentially, could Vader have been fixed up better in the Federation than in the Empire?

FaxModem1 wrote:The EMH is probably better than a standard medical droid. It's an open question if one was ever installed into the E-D, though.

Bacta is also tightly controlled by one planet, and without access to it, one's medical facilities are rather lacking Star Wars(Legends continuity anyway). In regards to Vader, we know that while replicating a Klingon spine is still in the experimental phase, but that seems to mostly be due to how primitive Klingon neurological science is.

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CRUSHER: Thank you. Have you had a chance to review Worf's case history yet?
RUSSELL: Only briefly. I must admit, I was a little shocked to find the state of Klingon neurological medicine to be so primitive.
CRUSHER: It's a cultural bias. When I contacted the Klingon Medical Division, they informed me that they usually let the patient die in a case like this. As a result they've done almost no research on neurological trauma.
RUSSELL: We'll be in uncharted waters.


They also don't confine people to iron lung style wheelchairs anymore.

CRUSHER: Would you like us to come back later?
WORF: No. Please come in, Doctor.
CRUSHER: This is Doctor Toby Russell. She's from the Adelman Neurological Institute. She specialises in spinal injuries like yours. We've discussed a variety of surgical procedures. I'm afraid none of them will repair the spinal cord, but we have found a way for you to regain much of your mobility. We can implant a series of neural transducers in your lower torso and legs. They're designed to pick up the electrical impulses from your brain and stimulate the corresponding muscles. With a little work, you can eventually regain sixty to seventy percent of your motor control.
RUSSELL: The first step would be to fit your legs with motor assist units like this one. They're a training device. Once you've mastered using them, we can move on to the implants.
(she puts a band around his leg)
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WORF: No! (rips the band off) I will not live like that.
CRUSHER: These are very sophisticated devices. With enough time, they will give you
WORF: Sixty percent of my mobility. No, I will not be seen lurching through corridors like some half-Klingon machine, the object of ridicule and disgust.
CRUSHER: Perhaps this all seems a bit frightening to you know. I want you to take some time before making a decision. Think about it.
RUSSELL: There is one other option I'd like you to consider. It's called genetronic replication. It's still in the experimental stage, but if it works, it will restore virtually all of your mobility and without the need for artificial implants.


They can even make artificial organs out in the field, though Talaxian ones are too complicated for the computer:

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JANEWAY: It appears that Neelix was attacked. We don't know how it happened, but someone has surgically removed his lungs.
(Kes goes to Neelix's bedside.)
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CHAKOTAY: No.
KIM: Captain, I've analysed the sensor logs from Neelix's tricorder. The bio-scanner picked up a single class three humanoid organism.
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JANEWAY: Can't we fit him with a pair of artificial lungs?
EMH: His respiratory system is directly linked to multiple points along his spinal column. It's too complex to replicate. I may be able to surgically reattach the organs if we get them back. In the meantime I'll have to search for other options.


As you said, they can make biosynthetic limbs, Vader could have all four of his limbs replaced with something better than what Luke got, but it would depend on his psychology, and his neural system.

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EZRI: What?
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EZRI: I understand. I think we've done enough for today. I'll see you tomorrow.


They also would be able to help him with his skin, due to dermoplastic grafts, as they did with Seven of Nine from Borg to human. The Doctor can also stimulate full on hair growth in a matter of days(meaning that Picard chooses to be bald). They can also remove scars, something that Gul Dukat was able to do in a matter of moments to pretty up a girl with a scarred face. So, if Vader wanted to look like a male model again, he could.
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Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-08-31 04:53pm

In "Ethics," Russell had never even performed live trials with her experimental proceedure, before proposing it to Doctor Crusher(holographic patients only, and only a 37% success rate), not to mention she tried another experimental proceedure on a casualty aboard the Denver which killed the patient.

And, Worf almost died during the operation.

Given these things, it's highly unlikely the Starfleet Medical, let alone the Federation Council, has even approved that proceedure(genotronic replication) without further experimentation to get the success rate higher than 37% in holographic trials.
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I'm sure the Empire has less qualms about testing such procedures on slaves, such as wookies, for instance.
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FaxModem1 wrote:I'm sure the Empire has less qualms about testing such procedures on slaves, such as wookies, for instance.


Or on captive Rebel humans. Point.
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Doesn't automatically make the procedure any more reliable though. For all we know testing it on a ton of subjects would only confirm 'yup-only works one time in three.' If not worse.
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Batman wrote:Doesn't automatically make the procedure any more reliable though. For all we know testing it on a ton of subjects would only confirm 'yup-only works one time in three.' If not worse.


Of course not. It's just that the Empire would have less qualms about using prisoners or slaves as guinea pigs. Even then, the Empire is not so bloody-minded that it will sacrifice too many prisoners and slaves to make a failed experiment succeed more than 37% of the time.

Of course, they could clone a new spinal column, couldn't they?! Or can't they?! I'm afraid I don't know if that's part of the new canon or not.
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Postby Elheru Aran » 2016-09-01 11:32am

The Clone Wars series is still part of the canon, so presumably they *could* clone parts if need be. Difficulty and expense would be considerations, of course, as would legality...
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Elheru Aran wrote:The Clone Wars series is still part of the canon, so presumably they *could* clone parts if need be. Difficulty and expense would be considerations, of course, as would legality...


One of the key expenses being time, as you would have to wait a decade for that spare part to be ready, depending on age of the person.

Fully robotic parts seem to be the rule in Star Wars for missing limbs and parts.. With the theme(out of universe) that it makes them less than human and a bit more monstrous. It's even shown to be Luke's warning that he is going towards the dark side.

Another note might be blindness. Depending on what they do in season 3 of Rebels, Kanan Jarrus might be permanently blind or given some way to see technologically, or through the force. Federation tech would be able to give him ocular implants, or a dress he could wear a full sensor suite if he wants to settle for 23rd century tech.
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Re: Applications of Federation tech in the Star Wras?

Postby Elheru Aran » 2016-09-01 01:44pm

FaxModem1 wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:The Clone Wars series is still part of the canon, so presumably they *could* clone parts if need be. Difficulty and expense would be considerations, of course, as would legality...


One of the key expenses being time, as you would have to wait a decade for that spare part to be ready, depending on age of the person.


Come again?

The Kaminoans grew a few hundred thousand clones within a decade or so, and trained them up to battle ready to boot; the implication was that there were far more on the way. Obviously it doesn't take a decade to grow a clone to where they're ready to be 'born'-- artificial aging was clearly a thing.

I really don't think it'd take a decade to grow a cloned organ, especially as you don't have to grow the whole body. Certainly it doesn't take the 5 seconds of replicator time they show in Trek, but I'm not sure if there's any reason it should take more than say a year...
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