President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

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Re: President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

Postby NecronLord » 2016-01-31 05:49pm

Zor wrote:
NecronLord wrote:Also, and perhaps more obviously, there's the chance the Federation Council will order the immediate demobilization of the clones and for other units to be trained to use their equipment.

The Clonetroopers have already been deployed against the Klingons on the frontlines. Demobilizing them could be a strategic disaster. Also who would be best to train people in the use of their weapons and tactics but Clone Troopers (which will take time)?

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The Federation dealt with the Klingons in OTL. Demobilizing this bonus force won't stop them dealing with them. I am sure Starfleet Command, which did after all, win every war it engaged in during DS9, can figure out how to cycle troops off the front lines without losing momentum.

And they only need to have some of them do rear echelon work in analyzing their gear and showing how to train with it, which is something you can get them to do between counselling sessions.
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Re: President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-02-10 01:20am

Lord Revan wrote:Full Betazoids can read mines and do so fairly frequently though I don't know if "I read it from their mind" counts legal evidence in Federation courts (though I'd assume not). it's only part Betazoids that are limited to emphatic abilities only (Troy is half-human).


As it would most likely be done without Palpatine's consent, it would be ruled inadmissable in court.
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Re: President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

Postby Lord Revan » 2016-02-10 12:42pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:Full Betazoids can read mines and do so fairly frequently though I don't know if "I read it from their mind" counts legal evidence in Federation courts (though I'd assume not). it's only part Betazoids that are limited to emphatic abilities only (Troy is half-human).


As it would most likely be done without Palpatine's consent, it would be ruled inadmissable in court.

well it depends on how Betazoid mind reading abilities are treated, if they're treated it so that anything the read from minds is akin to someone "thinking out loud" and the betazoid over hearing it then in theory the consent wouldn't matter, however mind reading is effectively hearsay that can be hard to prove by a neutral party thus making it inadmissable.
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Re: President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

Postby U.P. Cinnabar » 2016-02-10 01:03pm

If memory serves, telepathy is not a conscious act with full Betazoids, as most have/are taught to shield themselves against inadvertantly reading/sending thoughts, with Tam Elbrun(TNG: "Tin Man")being a notable exception.
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Re: President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

Postby Lord Revan » 2016-02-10 01:24pm

U.P. Cinnabar wrote:If memory serves, telepathy is not a conscious act with full Betazoids, as most have/are taught to shield themselves against inadvertantly reading/sending thoughts, with Tam Elbrun(TNG: "Tin Man")being a notable exception.

that would put betazoid telepathy to the "overheard conversation" category when it comes to consent, likely not enough to cause an arrest in and of itself but would probably be a reason for Starfleet intelligence to investigate Palpatine more closely (and Section 31 doesn't need a reason to investigate anyone).

That's assuming ofc that you're correct.
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Re: President Palpatine and the Grand Army of the Federation (RAR!)

Postby Simon_Jester » 2016-02-11 06:14am

Also assuming Palpatine can't shield himself- I still think it's possible that he can.
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