How much would Starfleet ships sell for in the SW universe?

[biostem]

Let's say that some smaller starship manufacturer in the SW universe got full schematics and necessary tech info/know-how to build the full range of Starfleet craft, (only full production-run craft - no experimental or prototype stuff). Even with their limitations when compared to Star Wars ships, do you think there would be a market for such vessels, and would they go for significantly less than similarly sized SW craft? Let's assume, for the sake of this scenario, that you can't just tack on a hyperdrive, without essentially making very costly redesigns to any such vessels.

I think that Starfleet ships might make for pretty comfortable in-system ships, where you could tour a single star system, or with a little redesign, be turned into traveling holo-bars. There also seems to be a bit of a gap between small fighter-sized craft and larger "small freighter" sized ships in SW - while not possessing the same endurance, something like a Runabout or larger shuttle make fill a niche...

[Borgholio]

I think a Starfleet ship would be considered entry-level ships and not go for all that much. Compared to SW ships they are not as durable, slower, and poorly defended. With that said, they are comfortable. So I do see these being used as in-system ships in areas that are at least somewhat secure (think taking the family on a road trip for a weekend). While warp drive is slower than hyperdrive, it is still fast enough to reach a somewhat reasonable slice of the galaxy, so they could be used by budding traders or cargo haulers who can't afford a faster ship. Oh, and cruise ships. Modern cruise ships really aren't supposed to be fast...you're supposed to basically relax while the ship cruises to the next port at a leisurely pace.

[The Romulan Republic]

They are, as you said, comfortable and they are also pretty big. And perhaps they could be upgraded somewhat with Star Wars technology.

They'd probably be worth somewhat less than an outdated corvette but perhaps more than a one man-fighter or shuttle.

Edit: Episode IV tells us that the going rate for a low-end ship is about 10,000, but that's presumably for a ship with hyperdrive. On the other hand, its also presumably for a smaller ship.

[Elheru Aran]

The weaponry would be something of a joke by military standards. So I'm seeing something along the lines of civilian yachts and other transport craft. Light to medium mercantile transports, passenger cruisers, perhaps show-off craft for planetary defense forces once they up-gun and armour them a little. I don't see much potential for galactic work given their speeds, but they would do very well in, say, sector-wide travel.

[The Romulan Republic]

The weaponry ought to be powerful enough for point defence, at least, which is all a civilian ship has any business carrying.

[Borgholio]

Has it been established how powerful the shields of a one-man fighter are?

[The Romulan Republic]

Probably varies depending on the era and type. I would imagine not very strong since they can be destroyed by the guns of other star fighters.

Edit: A fighter's main defence is its agility.

[Elheru Aran]

Bear in mind that some starfighters are for anti-ship or bombing purposes and as such get somewhat stronger shields, such as the Y-wing (IIRC?) and the B-wing (definitely). For private contractors such as mercenaries and pirates, it's a matter of what they can afford or loot/steal.

[Ted C]

The transporters on Federation ships would make them useful for cargo transfers, so they'd be excellent for in-system vessels and for short interstellar hauls.

[Patroklos]

Has sublight speeds for SW ships been established? There is the Falcon the Bespin thing, most try to explain that away.

I ask because the Federation has a real need for deep space travel that the SW universe does not. They just hyperdrive it. There could be circumstances where a culture that had to optimize real space deep space travel might have an advantage in the realm between hyperdrive and ion engines.

Shields with volume away from the hull could be useful too if the power levels can be upped to SW levels. Have we seen shields like this on vessels before? We see it on planetary shields and the droidkas, anywhere else?

Replicators would be valuable. We have autofactories in SW but nothing like the apparently commonplace replicator from ST.

[atg]

I don't see how any Federation/Starfleet vessels could be competitive as a freighter.

Hyperdrive freighters would be much faster, obviously. Therefore they can do the same trip in a far shorter timeframe, potentially doing mulitple trips in the time it would take a warp freighter to do a single trip. This allows the hyperdrive ship to be much more efficient as they would be paying crew for the same time, but doing more in that time. This in turn allows them to offer cheaper prices to their clients to be more competitive.

The only thing that may offset this is if warp ships were incredibly cheaper to run e.g. the price of hypermatter v.s. antimatter, or less maintenance costs.

[Batman]

Depends on the distances involved. Anything upwards of,I dunno, a double dozen ly? Yeah, probably. Below that? The Trek potentionally greater sublight speed (now the old EU is out of the picture) and 'gravity well? Wazzat?' nature of Warp might actually make them 'faster' for sufficiently short routes.

[Darth Nostril]

I could see a potential for warp drives as great interdictor-buster back-up drives, they may be slow by hyperdrive standards but they work to an extent in gravity wells.

As for price - my Haynes manual puts a 'stock' passenger/freight hybrid YT-1300FP at 100,000 (25,000 used).

[Elheru Aran]

Warp drives can be used in-system. Imagine the equivalent of hopping from Earth to Pluto in a few minutes. That could be extremely useful.

[biostem]

I don't see how any Federation/Starfleet vessels could be competitive as a freighter.

Hyperdrive freighters would be much faster, obviously. Therefore they can do the same trip in a far shorter timeframe, potentially doing mulitple trips in the time it would take a warp freighter to do a single trip. This allows the hyperdrive ship to be much more efficient as they would be paying crew for the same time, but doing more in that time. This in turn allows them to offer cheaper prices to their clients to be more competitive.

The only thing that may offset this is if warp ships were incredibly cheaper to run e.g. the price of hypermatter v.s. antimatter, or less maintenance costs.

That's kind of why I think in-system "cruise ships" would be a good use of Starfleet ships - take the majority of the saucer section of a Galaxy, turn it into suites, spas, casinos, and private or group holodecks. Travel around a pretty solar system, stopping at each planet for a day or so. The transporters could make loading baggage/cargo faster, (let's just leave out transporting the actual passengers, due to potential cultural or liability issues).

[The Romulan Republic]

So basically, they'd be like a local ferry instead of an ocean-going ship?

[Borgholio]

So basically, they'd be like a local ferry instead of an ocean-going ship?

Well a modern cruise ship is designed for slow, scenic tours...unlike the old cruise LINERS which were primarily used for transportation before the intercontinental jet became common. But still even with that said, a cruise ship is fully ocean capable for the long cruises. A Federation ship would not be as fast as hyperdrive but it can still make several nearby solar systems in a matter of days, which would be fine if you want a longer multi-system vacation.

[FedRebel]

The weaponry would be something of a joke by military standards.

The warpcore itself could be weaponized, by default the design has an accidental salvage fuse and pack an incredible punch when it breaches.

I could see warpcores being used like SADM's

I don't see how any Federation/Starfleet vessels could be competitive as a freighter.

Hyperdrive freighters would be much faster, obviously. Therefore they can do the same trip in a far shorter timeframe, potentially doing mulitple trips in the time it would take a warp freighter to do a single trip. This allows the hyperdrive ship to be much more efficient as they would be paying crew for the same time, but doing more in that time. This in turn allows them to offer cheaper prices to their clients to be more competitive.

I think a warp freighter would be like a UPS van, making in-system deliveries, while hyperspace freighters do the interstellar tractor trailer part.

The only thing that may offset this is if warp ships were incredibly cheaper to run e.g. the price of hypermatter v.s. antimatter, or less maintenance costs.

Considering a Hobo can ramshackle together a functioning warp drive from ICBM parts...I'd say warps drives are dirt cheap compared to hyperdrives.

I could see a potential for warp drives as great interdictor-buster back-up drives, they may be slow by hyperdrive standards but they work to an extent in gravity wells.

get a ship far enough from the interdictor to engage the hyoerdrive, only hiccup is that the warp nacelles would be primary target.

I'd imagine that even internalized designs (BoP and Galor) the coils can't be buried too deeply and the amount of armor has to be minimal.)

[biostem]

I wonder - Cochran's test vehicle had retractable warp nacelles... even if they could only achieve something like warp 1, a system of stowable warp nacelles, which can be kept safely in the hull, then deployed for a quick getaway, might not be a bad idea...

[Borgholio]

Well they don't technically have to be outside the hull anyways, so they can be kept safe inside the hull.

[Prometheus Unbound]

get a ship far enough from the interdictor to engage the hyoerdrive, only hiccup is that the warp nacelles would be primary target.

I'd imagine that even internalized designs (BoP and Galor) the coils can't be buried too deeply and the amount of armor has to be minimal.)

Same for the MF's engines, an X-Wing or Star Destroyer, then?

Besides, they could be used for great effect, coming out of warp almost in orbit of a planet or gravity well. Think of the Maw facilities.

[Batman]

The exposed Warp nacelles seem to be a matter or 'efficiency', not 'necessity' (i.e. you can bury them in the hull if you don't mind being limited to Warp 9.fifteendigitsstartingwith7 as opposed to Warp 9.fifteendigistsstartingwith9 and/or increasing power consumption (which should be a nonissue with Wars power generation). The question is how small can you make the nacelles? In Trek for the ships with visible nacelles they make up a sizeable portion of the ship's volume so shoehorning them is as a secondary FTL system may not be feasible, or at least not without a performance loss that makes the effort no longer worthwhile.

[Darth Nostril]

So what if the performance loss reduces you to a maximum of say Warp 1.1, you can still go FTL inside a gravity well. This renders Interdictors practically useless and neutralises Imperial tactics of pinning you against the gravity well of a planet or star.
All you have to do is slink out of there at Warp 1 for a minute or two tops, drop out of Warp then zip off in hyperspace.

For smuggling or blockade running this could literally be a life saver, bugger the performance loss. It's an emergency escape system not your primary FTL system after all.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

The issue with conventional warp (aside from the engineering nightmare fitting a ship like an ISD with warp nacelles would be), is the nature of subspace vs hyperspace. We know from Trek that a great number of things mess up warp travel, the question is how well this would be understood from an SW point of view.

Of course, if we were dealing with warp drive from the rebooted Trek that's a whole other kettle of fish since that seems to be a lot faster than previously seen.

[Borgholio]

We know from Trek that a great number of things mess up warp travel, the question is how well this would be understood from an SW point of view.

We know that heavy gravity wells such as near a black hole can prevent a ship from going to warp. How strong is an interdictor field compared to a black hole?

Of course, if we were dealing with warp drive from the rebooted Trek that's a whole other kettle of fish since that seems to be a lot faster than previously seen.

Based on the screen time it actually appears to be on par with a slow hyperdrive. 16 light years from Earth to Vulcan in about 10 minutes. Works out to be over 2,300 ly per day.