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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Captain Seafort » 2014-05-11 11:48am

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Which you'd think he'd have considered doing anyway- rotate shield modulation and firing photon torpedoes. And given that Geordi would have to be actually looking at a console with the shield freq, the bugged visor would be useless to the Duras Sisters if they're being hammered with weapons fire :lol:


That precise scenario, IIRC, was either filmed or just written in the script, but then cut.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2014-05-12 11:07am

That precise scenario, IIRC, was either filmed or just written in the script, but then cut.


Huh...if that were the case, it must have taken awhile for the E-D to figure it out since just one or two hits from a BoP wouldn't be enough to damage the ship that much.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby DarthPooky » 2014-05-12 04:08pm

In my Opinion that Space battle in generations was the worst space battle in Star Trek because of what was mentioned earlier riker only Shoots one shot I mean this is a bird of pray agenst the flag ship Just because They hold up against one shot doesn't mean their shields won't get taken down by several more one of the duras sisters Even Said That They were no Mach for them. the Enterprise Should of just kept firing and thay should have been taken out pretty Quickly but as was Mentioned earlier the Feds aren't to bright when it comes to military tactics I mean what do you expect With a military organization that doesn't even want to admit that their a military organization and who Uses Navel personnel for ground troops And sends them down with nothing but a handgun and a rifle.

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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

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That precise scenario, IIRC, was either filmed or just written in the script, but then cut.

Huh...if that were the case, it must have taken awhile for the E-D to figure it out since just one or two hits from a BoP wouldn't be enough to damage the ship that much.

We're talking about the E-D. That ship's Warp core goes critical if somebody insults it. And this is 24th century Starfleet engineering we're talking about. a hit anywhere on the ship can cause damage anywhere else.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2014-05-13 11:26am

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Borgholio wrote:
That precise scenario, IIRC, was either filmed or just written in the script, but then cut.

Huh...if that were the case, it must have taken awhile for the E-D to figure it out since just one or two hits from a BoP wouldn't be enough to damage the ship that much.

We're talking about the E-D. That ship's Warp core goes critical if somebody insults it. And this is 24th century Starfleet engineering we're talking about. a hit anywhere on the ship can cause damage anywhere else.

Like that huge explosion on the bridge that happens when they trigger the "ionic pulse", even though every hit was to the engineering section. :lol:

To be fair that's explained in-universe by the Klingons aiming to destroy, and by the time they decide to target the bridge it's too late. Though why they didn't do that with the first shot is also questionable :banghead: It also makes the saucer landing scenes easier to film since they didn't have to use a visibly damaged model.

I'm assuming that the "magnetic interlocks" that were ruptured regulated the flow of M/AM into the reaction chamber, which might explain why they couldn't simply eject the core. What didn't make sense is why there was no similar mechanism to eject/vent the antimatter into space as a backup. And it's not like there'd be no Ent-E afterwards; the Ent-A was decommissioned after getting shot up in the previous film to make way for the Enterprise-B so there exists a precedent.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2014-05-13 11:29am

There IS supposedly an antimatter ejection system too. But as usual, it didn't work. Fact is I can only recall two times in the entire ST saga where the core ejection system worked - once in Voyager and once in Insurrection.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Captain Seafort » 2014-05-13 02:30pm

Borgholio wrote:There IS supposedly an antimatter ejection system too. But as usual, it didn't work. Fact is I can only recall two times in the entire ST saga where the core ejection system worked - once in Voyager and once in Insurrection.


They managed to eject the core twice in Voyager - Cathexis and Day Honour. Of the three cases, however, only Day of Honour was due to potentially lethal damage. The other two were to disable Voyager and try and seal the Son'a subspace tear.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby EnterpriseSovereign » 2014-05-13 03:01pm

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Borgholio wrote:There IS supposedly an antimatter ejection system too. But as usual, it didn't work. Fact is I can only recall two times in the entire ST saga where the core ejection system worked - once in Voyager and once in Insurrection.


They managed to eject the core twice in Voyager - Cathexis and Day Honour. Of the three cases, however, only Day of Honour was due to potentially lethal damage. The other two were to disable Voyager and try and seal the Son'a subspace tear.

Actually for Voyager it was four- there was also Renaissance Man and Course: Oblivion, though the latter was too much for the silver blood copy to handle.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Purple » 2014-05-13 05:21pm

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Borgholio wrote:There IS supposedly an antimatter ejection system too. But as usual, it didn't work. Fact is I can only recall two times in the entire ST saga where the core ejection system worked - once in Voyager and once in Insurrection.


They managed to eject the core twice in Voyager - Cathexis and Day Honour. Of the three cases, however, only Day of Honour was due to potentially lethal damage. The other two were to disable Voyager and try and seal the Son'a subspace tear.

Actually for Voyager it was four- there was also Renaissance Man and Course: Oblivion, though the latter was too much for the silver blood copy to handle.

So... The starship stranded far out in space, on the other side of the galaxy with no hope or prayer for resupply ejects its warp core, the main power generation/FTL component. And it does this more than once?

Anyone seeing something here?
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2014-05-13 08:35pm

So... The starship stranded far out in space, on the other side of the galaxy with no hope or prayer for resupply ejects its warp core, the main power generation/FTL component. And it does this more than once?

Anyone seeing something here?


They replicated new warp cores. Just like they replicated new shuttlecraft and photorps.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby FedRebel » 2014-06-19 01:13pm

Nemesis showed displays with sections of shielding failing, and supporting dialogue.

Of course in the series (ENT using "Hull Plating") shield strength percentages are mentioned as a unified whole.

In real life specific status of specifically stressed shield sectors would be critically important, but in TV it's not as dramatic, plus the post battle damage report dialogue would eat up too much screen time.

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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Crazedwraith » 2014-06-21 07:26am

Borgholio wrote:
So... The starship stranded far out in space, on the other side of the galaxy with no hope or prayer for resupply ejects its warp core, the main power generation/FTL component. And it does this more than once?

Anyone seeing something here?


They replicated new warp cores. Just like they replicated new shuttlecraft and photorps.


No. They explicitly retrieved the warp core after ejecting it. Not even VGR mashed the reset button that hard.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2014-06-22 09:41pm

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No. They explicitly retrieved the warp core after ejecting it. Not even VGR mashed the reset button that hard.


I was being sarcastic. I know they eventually got it back but given they were able to build over a dozen new shuttles and the Delta Flyer, they either had to be able to build new warp cores or they just had ton of the shuttlecraft-grade cores in storage for some reason.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Batman » 2014-06-22 09:48pm

Um-Warp-capable shuttle does not equal shuttle equipped with a Warp Core. We've known since TOS that being Warp capable does not require a Warp Core.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2014-06-22 09:53pm

Batman wrote:Um-Warp-capable shuttle does not equal shuttle equipped with a Warp Core. We've known since TOS that being Warp capable does not require a Warp Core.


Can you please refresh my memory on where that is mentioned? From an in-universe standpoint, it is stated that even the Phoenix had a warp core.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Batman » 2014-06-22 10:12pm

TOS, 'Balance of Terror'. The Romulan BoP was undeniably Warp capable despite being allegedly limited to impulse power. Besides, the damned D'deridexes if no other Romulan ships 'don't' use a Warp Core, they use this stupid microsingularity so it's not like you need a Warp Core for Warp drive-you just need a sufficiently powerful...well, power source.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2014-06-22 10:26pm

Perhaps I should clarify that I was using the term "warp core" to imply any power source capable of propelling a ship or shuttle to warp speed. Whatever the exact mechanism, Voyager either had to have a large supply of FTL power sources on hand or were able to build them.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Batman » 2014-06-22 10:47pm

Well since the 'Balance of Terror' BoP was apparently able to run a Warp drive off impulse power (presumably meaning H-H fusion) for a small but definitely starship-sized starship, I don't think shuttle Warp drives being fusion-powered is all that far-fetched. Still doesn't absolve VOY of having to built reactors for all her newly minted shuttles from scratch of course, but at least they wouldn't need to be M/AM ones :P
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby MKSheppard » 2016-05-18 09:17pm

Generalissimo wrote:What is the Imperial response if Borg adaptation works exactly as 100% advertised?


Grand Admiral Miles and his fully Augmented Sector Group of 104 x ISDs and 39,144 x Combat Starships are on the way to eradicate the infestation.
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

Postby Borgholio » 2016-05-19 08:56am

Holy necro, batman!
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Re: Imperial counters if Borg adaptation works

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Quite. Check the dates Shep.

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