Oh, for fucks sake grow a spine, Connor. I've seen you bitch and moan and piss and bitch and whine and cry like a fucking baby about how the VS debate works for so long its getting to be more cliche and annoying than the trektards of old. No, let me rephrase that-- its getting more cliche and annoying than arguments about trigger guards. Are you seriously going to be intimidated by the kind of person who thinks these are valid arguments? One, you obviously are a fanboy if you are going to argue a VS debate in the first place and its nothing to be ashamed of. That just means you are interested in the debate.
No, it means i'm uninterested in beating my chest and soothing my ego by trying to shout someone else down through endless walls of text and "me too" flaming. I'm not above flaming someone who actually fucking deserves it, but "I hold a different opinion from you" is not enough of a justification, even though there have been a good many people on this board who do precisely
So I'm soo sorry that i'm poking holes in your little desire to have an excuse to flame and be an internet tough guy. I'm going to go cry into my pillow now because you were so mean to me and i don't have a spine.
Second, the kind of person who calls you a warsie conspirator for applying logic to fiction and coming to *gasp* conclusions about said fiction is the kind of bleeding sophist creationist wannabe troll that might as well be mocked or ignored.
So you've had a few bad experiences arguing about sci-fi, Star Wars, and WH40K. I get that, I really do. But you know what won't change debating standards? Being a bloody coward.
*GASP* you don't say? Damn, I never would have figured this out! Glad i have you to tell me these things, otherwise i wouldn't be able to sleep at nights thinking my critics might actually be right! Back to crying into my pillow.
When was the last time you actually stood up for an argument, Connor? When was the last time you actually bothered to take a stand for the facts rather than trying to apply vasaline to the facts? When was the last time you actually made an argument against the board consensus rather than simply pointing out that there is a board consensus? I can't think of when that was, and its a shame because I know once upon a time you did do these things and that wasn't even before my time here! All you ever seem to do nowadays is point out alternative possibilities or unknown variables to people's arguments without qualifying them into more likely or less likely, upper limit and lower limit, more relevant and less relevant. You're the opposite of the guy who can't see the forest for the trees; you can no longer see a tree for all its foliage. All you ever seem to do is whine about how the debaters go about their business without bothering to look at what it is they are doing. And sure, there is a lot of intellectually lazy arguments thrown around, I won't dismiss that. Newbies like to rehash the obvious, and there isn't much going on in the Star Wars franchise and even less going on in Star Trek. But looking at how you describe the participants of this debate and the dynamics of the debate itself, and comparing it to what I actually see, it feels like you are trying to write a SouthPark script about this forum.
Excuse me? I've been 'standing up" for an argument in this very damn thread with D13. Just because i'm not lunging for his throat foaming at the mouth and calling him a "fucking retard" doesn't mean I'm not defending a position. Forgive me for preferring an approach that might actually, oh, I don't know, get some fucking results
Now, that screed has exhausted my ability to stand up for myself. I feel like another good cry.