Galactic Empire vs United Federation of Planets Questions

[Youngla0450]

Hello everyone! I am Youngla0450, a newly registered user. I discovered this site, and am very interested. I need help. I need a through description of the Galactic Empire compared to the United Federation of Planets. I need it to be clearly organized and detailed. Thanks!

[Edi]

I'm only going to say this once:

Do your own legwork. We are not your personal assistance service.

There are reams and reams of description of this very issue all over the stardestroyer.net main site and on the forums. Start digging. With a bit of work, you will find everything you requested and then some.

Your topic asking this exact same question in the fanfics subforum has been disapproved, because the answer to it would have been what I told you here.

[Serafina]

Umm....read the main site?

Here is a short overview, various technological aspects, a potential imperial campaign and how the Federation would view things.
There's much more than that, but that's the basic overview.

In a nutshell: The Empire crushes the Federation without any problems.
Why? Well, quite simple: Their technology is incredibly more advanced.
The Empires ships are thousands of times faster (crossing the Galaxy in 1-2 days rather than half of it in 70 years). That allows them to attack the Federation with overwheling numbers at all times.
The Empire has thousands of times more firepower (their light shipweapons can completely vaporize large asteroids, the Federation would need hundreds of torpedoes just to shatter them).
Likewise, their shields are far, far stronger.
The Empire has greater numbers - millions of ships compared to hundreds or thousands.
The Empire has way more industry - they could build the second Deathstar in about 10 months (6 for 60% as seen in the movie).

Another important note: Tricks don't really work.
Transporters do not work trough shields or dense metals, and imperial ships have both.
Technobabble solutions are not practical enough to be used on a wide scale - and there might very well not be any at all, given that imperial technology is vastly different and superior to Federation technology.

It's just not a fair fight. It's like taking modern battleships and matching them against ancient galleys - while the galleys don't even have a numerical advantage. Except that's it actually worse.

The above is all based on very carefull scientific analysis of the series and movies. If both universes were real, it's what would happen.

[Youngla0450]

I see your point. Thanks for the advice. I will be writing a fanfiction story on a site called fiction.wikia.com about their encounter.

[Jake]

Yeah, it won't really go well for the federation. Here's a rough estimate of what will go down. From here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial ... _Destroyer, an Imperial 2 type star destroyer (relatively standard design), has a reactor capable of putting out at least 9.28E24W of power. Assuming 1/3 for weapons, 1/3 for shields, and 1/3 for other systems, an ISD can allocate out 3.093E24W each to its shields and weapons. It has more than 64 weapon turrets, not counting point defense, but I will go minimalist here and call it 64 and discount the point defense completely. Averaging out the power to each turret (not completely accurate because some are heavy, medium, and light but adequate to get my point across) we get 4.83E22W per turret.

Now, for the feds. From here: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... Beam1.html, phasers fire at about 3E14 Joules per shot and from here:http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... pedo1.html, a quantum torpedo is about 5.4E17 Joules per shot. Also note that these are theoretical maximums. Now from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmcqoqWD ... re=related, we see that the sovereign class enterprise can fire about 10 phasors every 4 seconds and 6 torpedoes every three seconds. Using the numbers mentioned above and assuming that our fed ships will only use the more powerful quantum torpedoes and have the weapon capacity of the most powerful ship in starfleet, this puts the firepower of our theoretical, overpowered, fed ship at about 1.08E18W. From the first link in this paragraph, typical federation shields can absorb 1.5E15J of particle damage. I will be extremely generous and assume this is per second, leading to 1.5E15W shields.

From these two paragraphs we can see that one ISD turret can one hit kill our fed ship. From here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASYW3P3t208, from 1:49 to 1:51, a turret at the bottom of the ISD fires twice, meaning each turret can fire about 1shot/sec, which means kill one fed ship/ sec assuming perfect accuracy. With 64 turrets, our ISD can kill 64 fed ships per second. Now, the highest estimation of the federation fleet I have heard on this website is 6000 starships (look around the forums for more info). Now, imagine a scenario where the entire federation fleet drops out of warp and engages one imperial 2 class star destroyer, where t=0 indicates the time where the ISD takes the first hit. The battle can be modeled by the linear equation s=6000-70t, where s is the number of fed ships and t is time in seconds. We also know that that each of the 6000 ships generates 1.08E18W of firepower or a total starting energy of 6.48E21 Joules imparted to the ISD's shields, and energy imparted to the ISD's shield decreases at a rate of 70*1.08E18 joules per second. So, rewriting the equation we have E=6.48E21-7.56E19t, where E is energy in joules and t is time in seconds. Using this equation we can find the time the fleet is defeated, using the fact that E will be 0 when this happens. The time comes out to be 85.71 seconds. Now, to find the total energy delivered to the ISD by the federation fleet, simply integrate the energy equation from t=0 to t=85.71, which yields the result 2.784E23. Now, a star destroyer with a 3.093E24W shield should be able to handle 2.651E26 joules of firepower. In short, the entire federation fleet engages one imperial 2 class stardestroyer and manages to deplete .1% of its shield before being destroyed. Now, looking at the fact that the empire has 25,000 star destroyers, millions of support ships, and a death star, any engagement between the empire and the federation would not go well for the federation.

[Edi]

I see your point. Thanks for the advice. I will be writing a fanfiction story on a site called fiction.wikia.com about their encounter.

You're supposed to post replies into the topics you were already discussing an issue in, not as separate new topics, you fucking idiot! Threads merged.

If you fuck up like this again, expect to get the rest of your no-content posts to be disapproved.

[Youngla0450]

I see your point. Thanks for the advice. I will be writing a fanfiction story on a site called fiction.wikia.com about their encounter.

You're supposed to post replies into the topics you were already discussing an issue in, not as separate new topics, you fucking idiot! Threads merged.

If you fuck up like this again, expect to get the rest of your no-content posts to be disapproved.

I do not know what you are talking about. I am sorry, but I just need to have a clarification.

[Jake]

I do not know what you are talking about. I am sorry, but I just need to have a clarification.

Scroll sown to the bottom of the page. You will see a 'reply' button. Always use this when responding to a thread, even your own.

[Jake]

Only hit the 'new topic' button if you want to start another discussion. As an example, if you wanted to start a new discussion, like Optimus Prime vs. Darth Vader, who would win, you would hit the 'new topic' button.

[Youngla0450]

Only hit the 'new topic' button if you want to start another discussion. As an example, if you wanted to start a new discussion, like Optimus Prime vs. Darth Vader, who would win, you would hit the 'new topic' button.

Maybe that is what the moderator meant! I get it messed up always!

[Vehrec]

If you always mess things up, maybe you shouldn't be writing a story if you're going to mess it up.

[Youngla0450]

If you always mess things up, maybe you shouldn't be writing a story if you're going to mess it up.

Everybody, I mean no harm. I am actually a great writer. I have written several works about Star Wars, Star Trek, historical fiction, alternate history, etc. My father is also a great writer, having written several realistic fiction works.

[Srelex]

Mind providing links, so we can actually judge that?

[Youngla0450]

Mind providing links, so we can actually judge that?

Alright, here are some links:
http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Fortress

and

http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Great_War ... rek_Galaxy

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Mind providing links, so we can actually judge that?

Alright, here are some links:
http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Fortress

Really? Really? That's your demonstration of your amazing writing skills? Are you serious?

Oh wow.

[Serafina]

Sounds like a cheap knockoff of Superman of me, only with more wank.

If you want to make an interesting story out of it, let them deliberately send out a computer to preserve some part of their civilisation. Without all the bullshit wank, just a computer/AI with some advanced tech.
That computer lands on/near earth and decides to basically do what Superman does - helping humans. Of course in other ways than Superman, due to it being an AI and all that.

That would at least be an interesting spin on some elements of Superman, and allows the exploration of the capabilites and effects of an AI.

[Ryan Thunder]

I'm going to hazard a guess that he's twelve.

[The Romulan Republic]

I'm going to hazard a guess that he's twelve.

The thing is, his spelling and grammar (just at a quick glance) strike me as better than the typical 12 year old's. Then again, I'm not really great at spelling and grammar myself, so I don't know.

[Youngla0450]

Sounds like a cheap knockoff of Superman of me, only with more wank.

If you want to make an interesting story out of it, let them deliberately send out a computer to preserve some part of their civilisation. Without all the bullshit wank, just a computer/AI with some advanced tech.
That computer lands on/near earth and decides to basically do what Superman does - helping humans. Of course in other ways than Superman, due to it being an AI and all that.

That would at least be an interesting spin on some elements of Superman, and allows the exploration of the capabilites and effects of an AI.

All of you peoples, I have another work that is even greater then the Superman-based one. Here is the link:

http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Enterprise_Virus

I also have these:

http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Redosian_Empire

and

http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_ ... d_Universe

Then tell me what my writing skills are!

[Srelex]

While I've seen plenty worse, I'm going to tell you that you need a bit more work before you can call your work 'great'...to put it gently.

[Youngla0450]

While I've seen plenty worse, I'm going to tell you that you need a bit more work before you can call your work 'great'...to put it gently.

I do admit I need more work. But I have been writing for years, trying my hand at science fiction, fan fiction, realistic fiction.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Enterprise_Virus

I will be brutally honest here. Your writing is awful. I mean, I'm not saying I haven't seen worse, I have, but that's because I used to make a habit out of trolling Fanfiction.net for the worst stories I could find, but this stuff is just not good at all. It's a bastardised mix of screenplay-style writing and short, clipped descriptions, the characterisation is so slim as to be effectively non-existent (Most of the characters act nothing like the original counterparts, and if you swapped around names it would be hard to tell the difference), the prose is sloppy and boring and manages to make even the most action-packed of moments seem utterly dull.

"Picard said, in his English accent, with his hand on his chin"

And Picard bursting out in tears, on the Bridge, over an Ensign dying?

The bridge looked similar to the bridge in Star Trek Three: Search for Spock after Enterprise was disabled.

If you've been writing for years, how did you not learn one of the very fundamental rules of good writing? "Show, don't tell."

To be blunt, you have a long way to go before you can even call your writing "decent". Never mind "great".

[Youngla0450]

http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Enterprise_Virus

I will be brutally honest here. Your writing is awful. I mean, I'm not saying I haven't seen worse, I have, but that's because I used to make a habit out of trolling Fanfiction.net for the worst stories I could find, but this stuff is just not good at all. It's a bastardised mix of screenplay-style writing and short, clipped descriptions, the characterisation is so slim as to be effectively non-existent (Most of the characters act nothing like the original counterparts, and if you swapped around names it would be hard to tell the difference), the prose is sloppy and boring and manages to make even the most action-packed of moments seem utterly dull.

"Picard said, in his English accent, with his hand on his chin"

And Picard bursting out in tears, on the Bridge, over an Ensign dying?

The bridge looked similar to the bridge in Star Trek Three: Search for Spock after Enterprise was disabled.

If you've been writing for years, how did you not learn one of the very fundamental rules of good writing? "Show, don't tell."

To be blunt, you have a long way to go before you can even call your writing "decent". Never mind "great".

I think my script-play is actually quite good. I have given some good description, and a lot of lines. Anyways, I think I am a great writer!

[Youngla0450]

Anyways, I believe the Federation will die when invaded by the Empire.

[Jake]

To be fair to trek, humans have only been in space for around 300 years. The old republic from star wars lasted around 25000 years, and it is not the oldest civilization there by a long shot (Rakata, Celestials). However, within around 900 years of humans in space in trek we have federation timeships and temporal civil wars. Give trek the same amount of time and who knows what could happen (fanfic idea anyone?).