Sub-megaton Photon Torps.

[Iosef Cross]

As for their arguments. Those type of arguments aren't reserved just for trekkies. I've seen warsies make equally absurd arguments. One warsie on SB once argued that a group of space flight capable F-22s with their standard armament could take down the Enterprise E. I wish I could remember his handle, but he held that belief because he was passionate in his dislike for Trek.

Well, the difference between a jet fighter and enterprise E is comparable to the difference between ent-e and a SD.