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In case anyone is interested, we've had a Trekkie visiting the wiki and modifying articles recently.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wik ... tions/Mike
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What sort of stuff is he adding? Flicking through some of his contribs, they seem pretty minor.
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Srelex wrote:What sort of stuff is he adding? Flicking through some of his contribs, they seem pretty minor.
Oh, nothing terrible. He's just been posting counter arguments to statements about Treknology, like their lack of planetary shields, limited power generation, the size of starbases (and related production implications), phase cannon firepower, etc.

I generally just tame them down to what can actually be shown by the evidence.
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I don't know about the rest, but he is perfectly correct that planetary shielding (or at least theater shielding) exists in Trek. I haven't seen what it was like before you edited it, but I don't see anything outrageous right now.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:I don't know about the rest, but he is perfectly correct that planetary shielding (or at least theater shielding) exists in Trek. I haven't seen what it was like before you edited it, but I don't see anything outrageous right now.
I can vouch that at least one Delta Quadrant species (the Kraylor) had a planetary shield erected over their homeworld, but have we ever ONCE seen the Federation or any other Alpha/Beta Quadrant faction with them?

In all instances where the Klingons, Federation etc could have immensely benefited from them, we never see or hear about planetary shields. I find it hard to swallow that the UFP could build a planetary shield over a penal world like Elba II but not over founding members like Earth and Vulcan.
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Boeing 757 wrote:I can vouch that at least one Delta Quadrant species (the Kraylor) had a planetary shield erected over their homeworld, but have we ever ONCE seen the Federation or any other Alpha/Beta Quadrant faction with them?

In all instances where the Klingons, Federation etc could have immensely benefited from them, we never see or hear about planetary shields. I find it hard to swallow that the UFP could build a planetary shield over a penal world like Elba II but not over founding members like Earth and Vulcan.
The Elba II shield was capable of surviving a rather limited attack from a single starship. We've yet to see any Federation shield that could resist a determined attack from one ship, let alone a fleet. For instance, if Scotty hadn't been worried about rupturing the habitat on Elba II and killing Kirk and Spock, he could have subjected the planet to a sustained assault that would likely have succeeded.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:I don't know about the rest, but he is perfectly correct that planetary shielding (or at least theater shielding) exists in Trek. I haven't seen what it was like before you edited it, but I don't see anything outrageous right now.
You can always look at the page history for previous versions.
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Ted C wrote: You can always look at the page history for previous versions.
Meh, doesn't look too different to me. Nothing jumps out as absurd. If this is a Trekkie, its a pretty moderate one.
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He's been editing the SFJ entry with the usual nonsense.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:He's been editing the SFJ entry with the usual nonsense.
That was over a year ago.
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My bad, I thought the (diff) was comparing to the current version of the page.
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Another Trek planetary shield I can think of was a S1 TNG episode (I forgot the name) where a group of sterile people kidnap children from the Enterprise. Their "custodian" erected a shield around the planet to prevent the crew from getting them back, but Picard and Co. found a gap in the shields and beamed through to rescue the kids.
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Darth Lucifer wrote:Another Trek planetary shield I can think of was a S1 TNG episode (I forgot the name) where a group of sterile people kidnap children from the Enterprise. Their "custodian" erected a shield around the planet to prevent the crew from getting them back, but Picard and Co. found a gap in the shields and beamed through to rescue the kids.
That's the planet Aldea, which is mentioned in the article.
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Ted C wrote:
Boeing 757 wrote:I can vouch that at least one Delta Quadrant species (the Kraylor) had a planetary shield erected over their homeworld, but have we ever ONCE seen the Federation or any other Alpha/Beta Quadrant faction with them?

In all instances where the Klingons, Federation etc could have immensely benefited from them, we never see or hear about planetary shields. I find it hard to swallow that the UFP could build a planetary shield over a penal world like Elba II but not over founding members like Earth and Vulcan.
The Elba II shield was capable of surviving a rather limited attack from a single starship. We've yet to see any Federation shield that could resist a determined attack from one ship, let alone a fleet. For instance, if Scotty hadn't been worried about rupturing the habitat on Elba II and killing Kirk and Spock, he could have subjected the planet to a sustained assault that would likely have succeeded.
Indeed. I watched the episode, which perchance is uploaded onto YouTube. It turned out exactly as stated.
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Ted C wrote:
Boeing 757 wrote:I can vouch that at least one Delta Quadrant species (the Kraylor) had a planetary shield erected over their homeworld, but have we ever ONCE seen the Federation or any other Alpha/Beta Quadrant faction with them?

In all instances where the Klingons, Federation etc could have immensely benefited from them, we never see or hear about planetary shields. I find it hard to swallow that the UFP could build a planetary shield over a penal world like Elba II but not over founding members like Earth and Vulcan.
The Elba II shield was capable of surviving a rather limited attack from a single starship. We've yet to see any Federation shield that could resist a determined attack from one ship, let alone a fleet. For instance, if Scotty hadn't been worried about rupturing the habitat on Elba II and killing Kirk and Spock, he could have subjected the planet to a sustained assault that would likely have succeeded.
That would be consistent with what was shown in the DS9 episode where the Breen attacked Earth, too.
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