Actually you can't stand the fact that star trek beats star wars. That's why you came here asking for debate help from me. As you can see, I don't need help from all of you combined.hunter5 wrote: So you respect a man who is a proven liar just because you can't stand the fact star wars beats trek.
I doubt the darkstar guy is a liar. People can believe what they say while at the same time it does not have to agree with what you believe.Thank you for proving my point.
my reputation is well known enough, I'm not darkstar or anyone else you know from this site. That just shows how little you know when you jump to conclusions like this.The staff always has their eyes out for potential sock puppets, but until further notice, this guy is clean. I understand that people have seen this kind of thing before and are naturally suspicious, but I have to ask that people stick to dealing with his arguments rather than his identity.
Dude you don't know shit heh. I didn't use dialog to disprove all of your points. For instance, one of the krenim weapons characteristics from being outside of space-time is that the crew do not age (according to annorax in dialog). We can see that the crew have not aged after 200 years so we know at least that much is true based on visual evidence, not dialog. Here's a quote from Obrist:Still projecting your homoerotic fantasies onto me, eh? And still evading points and repeating himself like its no one's business, even though no one gives a shit about dialogue by such incompetent assholes as populate the voyager crew when observed phenomena pretty much invalidates every claim you have made up till this point. After all, if the points are against he accuracy of the dialogue don't use fucking dialogue as evidence that the dialogue is accurate! Circular reasoning much? Even your own Dorkstar says "in VS debates take the visuals," and this coming from a man whose dishonesty is legendary. In short, grow some neurons or fuck off.
so we know their race does not naturally live hundreds of years which I'm surprised you guys didn't try to argue before considering your other tactics to disprove star trek canon.OBRIST: Astounding!
PARIS: Not really. I get lucky now and again.
OBRIST: Your end game sequence, it, er, it was the same one favoured by my brother.
PARIS: To quote a long lost friend of mine, it seemed logical. Now what.
OBRIST: I used to honour the day of his birth.
PARIS: Who?
OBRIST: My brother. And my parents, my closest friends. Every year at first. And then one day, I realised a century had passed and for years I had been celebrating birthdays for the dead. Or for people who had never existed.
The dialog states that they are ageless because they are protected from space-time. The visuals confirm this. This provides proof of annorax's credibility when it comes to the properties of the weapon. He says he can control the destiny of an entire civilization. We know this is true from the visual evidence of the zaul being erased from their homeworld followed by the zaul that was on voyager being erased as well. Not to mention the erasure of the "once powerful Malkoth race", Alsuran Empire, the Rilnar, and Ram Izad species. Is there some reason you don't want to accept that annorax cannot use his weapon on a molecule? It's not that of an extraordinary claim he's making there. I fail to see how that hurts your position anymore than it already is that he can erase a molecule. I can accept it when he says they are impervious to weapons from this.
If you need more proof here it is: with few exceptions star trek books are not considered canon. The exception to this is various reference guides that were officially released. One star trek guide that is considered star trek canon is the Star Trek Encyclopedia since it's an official reference book and cd-rom release. Here's the article from the Star Trek Encyclopedia regarding the krenim temporal weapon:
outside normal space-time: factThe ship operated in a state of temporal flux, outside normal space-time, so that it was immune not only to the effects of its temporal shock waves, but it was also impervious to most forms of attack.
immune to attacks: fact
can possibly erase not only lifeforms on the planets but the planets themselves! thousands of them!!Annorax erased thousands of inhabited worlds and billions of intelligent beings
It's an official canon source. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me. It cannot be argued with by your desperate nonsense regarding the visual effects anymore. As canon policy it must just be accepted as true. Frankly, this is the nail in the coffin guys.
You now have to go back to your previous arguments:
maybe when they erase ships, others will take their place
maybe since it can only go warp 6, it won't reach every strategic target
maybe the crew will mutiny and deactivate the temporal core in star wars space
uhh yeah maybe I'll win the lottery too 
