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Post by Darth Servo » 2007-11-29 04:26am

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Darth Servo wrote:Spock did surprise me in showing he is familiar with a bit of calculus and differential equations.
What does "familiar with" mean, in this context? I'd imagine that if he had a university math degree, he'd have mentioned it. But of course, he hides behind anonymity, doesn't he? Just like the other 12 kiddies who make up that joke of a site.
I gave him an equation and asked him to find the derivative of it. It involved trig functions, the chain rule and a couple other things from Calc 1. He posted the solution the same day I'd asked the question. He then returned the favor with asking a simple differential equation for me to solve.
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Post by Darth Wong » 2007-11-29 04:30am

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Darth Servo wrote:Spock did surprise me in showing he is familiar with a bit of calculus and differential equations.
What does "familiar with" mean, in this context? I'd imagine that if he had a university math degree, he'd have mentioned it. But of course, he hides behind anonymity, doesn't he? Just like the other 12 kiddies who make up that joke of a site.
I gave him an equation and asked him to find the derivative of it. It involved trig functions, the chain rule and a couple other things from Calc 1. He posted the solution the same day I'd asked the question. He then returned the favor with asking a simple differential equation for me to solve.
In other words, senior high-school.
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Post by Darth Servo » 2007-11-29 04:45am

Darth Wong wrote:In other words, senior high-school.
Basically. Still, it was the first time any of those trektards even tried (hence it surprised me)--Husker (DM) Jay waffled and made excuses to avoid factoring a polynomial.
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Post by Ritterin Sophia » 2007-11-29 05:08am

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Post by EnterpriseSovereign » 2007-11-29 09:00am

Expecially as JMSpock seems to willfully ignore the fact that it was the ignition of Tetrazine in the atmosphere of the planet that destroyed the colony and seems to claim it was 'engine backwash' in "Shockwave". The worst part is that he claimed it was an example of Trek firepower :banghead:
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Post by Jericho Kross » 2007-11-29 10:28am

They seem to be resorting to their transporter tech to win the day :roll:
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Post by Darth Wong » 2007-11-29 11:03am

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Darth Wong wrote:In other words, senior high-school.
Basically. Still, it was the first time any of those trektards even tried (hence it surprised me)--Husker (DM) Jay waffled and made excuses to avoid factoring a polynomial.
:lol: Factoring a polynomial? :lol:
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Post by brianeyci » 2007-11-29 11:16am

I'll be honest: if someone told me to do that crap, I'd tell them to fuck off. I got enough real work as it is already, and doing algebra is to a math major like doing the dishes to a master chef. Of course one should still be able to do it, but it is tedious bullshit. Who the fuck wants to do long division to find a seventh power, or remember the goddamn binomial theorem.

The real proof obviously comes from a scan of the degree, or in-depth calculations with mechanical analysis (yes, something a lot more involved than plugging numbers into Newton's second law.) I've been guilty a few times of throwing around my oooooooohhhhhhhhh math major too, and I've regretted it every time, because incomplete means absolutely nothing.

If you really want to test him ask him to prove Cauchy-Schwartz for complex numbers or anything definitely above first year Calculus... Vector Calculus or even higher from third year if you know it, something from set theory or topology. But again that shit is tedious and not worth proving to some lame-o on the Internet, so whoever makes the claim to be "big man" should be the one doing it.

But again I don't see the point. Where are his calculations and analysis, listing out the assumptions he makes? That seems to be key, the assumptions.

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Post by lord Martiya » 2007-11-29 12:53pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Expecially as JMSpock seems to willfully ignore the fact that it was the ignition of Tetrazine in the atmosphere of the planet that destroyed the colony and seems to claim it was 'engine backwash' in "Shockwave". The worst part is that he claimed it was an example of Trek firepower :banghead:
Am I supposed to be astonished?

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Post by OmegaGuy » 2007-11-29 07:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: What does "familiar with" mean, in this context? I'd imagine that if he had a university math degree, he'd have mentioned it. But of course, he hides behind anonymity, doesn't he? Just like the other 12 kiddies who make up that joke of a site.
I gave him an equation and asked him to find the derivative of it. It involved trig functions, the chain rule and a couple other things from Calc 1. He posted the solution the same day I'd asked the question. He then returned the favor with asking a simple differential equation for me to solve.
In other words, senior high-school.
I know it's different in some places but they didn't teach Calculus when I went to high school.
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Post by Ryan Thunder » 2007-11-29 07:42pm

They taught it around here, but we didn't learn derivatives of trigonometric functions or integrals of any sort.
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Post by Ryan Thunder » 2007-11-29 07:44pm

That is, we didn't learn about integration at all (as opposed to derivatives of integrals, which is how some may have read that... :roll:)
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Post by Darth Servo » 2007-11-29 07:51pm

Ryan Thunder wrote:That is, we didn't learn about integration at all (as opposed to derivatives of integrals, which is how some may have read that... :roll:)
At my high school one could take up to three semesters of Calc which was the equivalent to Calc 1 & 2 at the college level.
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Post by Ryan Thunder » 2007-11-29 07:54pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:That is, we didn't learn about integration at all (as opposed to derivatives of integrals, which is how some may have read that... :roll:)
At my high school one could take up to three semesters of Calc which was the equivalent to Calc 1 & 2 at the college level.
Where are you and what school is that? :shock:

Then again, my school does seem to have been more focused on the arts...
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Post by TC Pilot » 2007-11-29 08:24pm

Yeah, I learned a good deal of Calculus (derivatives and integrals, including trig functions) at my high school, and that was just the less intensive version.

Obviously, that doesn't actually prove JMSpock's had a full high school education, just that he has access to those kinds of sources.
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Post by Darth Servo » 2007-11-29 08:25pm

Ryan Thunder wrote:
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Ryan Thunder wrote:That is, we didn't learn about integration at all (as opposed to derivatives of integrals, which is how some may have read that... :roll:)
At my high school one could take up to three semesters of Calc which was the equivalent to Calc 1 & 2 at the college level.
Where are you and what school is that? :shock:
Granada Hills, CA. L A Unified School district. It was common practice. Of course you still had to pass the AP tests in May to get the college credit.
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Post by Darth Wong » 2007-11-29 09:09pm

OmegaGuy wrote:I know it's different in some places but they didn't teach Calculus when I went to high school.
Your high school must not have been very good, then.
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Post by brianeyci » 2007-11-29 11:11pm

Actually Mike, nobody in Ontario teaches Calculus anymore. Or they're not supposed to. Older teachers gave the finger to the new cirriculum but I'm not sure what they're doing now.

Since the elimination of OAC, nobody does Calculus. You go into university with a ripshod understanding of trig and that's about it. Completely inadequate for first semester university.

AP still exists, but I'm not sure what it takes to get into it, and not all public schools have AP.

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Post by Darth Servo » 2007-11-29 11:17pm

brianeyci wrote:Actually Mike, nobody in Ontario teaches Calculus anymore. Or they're not supposed to.
Why?
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Post by Aratech » 2007-11-29 11:39pm

One more question: anyone got a clue where Muunalist is located? I'm trying to figure out its distance relative to Hypori.
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Post by brianeyci » 2007-11-30 12:07am

Darth Servo wrote:
brianeyci wrote:Actually Mike, nobody in Ontario teaches Calculus anymore. Or they're not supposed to.
Why?
Politics. A conservative called Mike Harris came in mid 90's and put in a new policy of failing more students and taking away Grade 13. The transition was rough, and tons of teacher's strikes. The new liberal government came in and promised peace. The price of peace was smaller class sizes, and more importantly less failing students. This of course, means no Calculus, or less Calculus.

You know it is politics when the failure rate goes dramatically down double digits over just a couple years. Changes in education happen in small increments, and if it happens by a lot like it did here you know it's watered down.

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Post by Darth Ruinus » 2007-11-30 01:11am

Aratech wrote:One more question: anyone got a clue where Muunalist is located? I'm trying to figure out its distance relative to Hypori.
Use this for reference

Muunilist is all the way up there in the part labeled "Empire", near the top right, near Bastion.

Hypori, while not on the map, at least I didnt see it, is said to be in the Arkanis Sector which also includes Tatooine and Geonosis, placing it nearly all the way at the bottom of the map.

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Post by Darth Wong » 2007-11-30 03:09am

brianeyci wrote:Politics. A conservative called Mike Harris came in mid 90's and put in a new policy of failing more students and taking away Grade 13. The transition was rough, and tons of teacher's strikes. The new liberal government came in and promised peace. The price of peace was smaller class sizes, and more importantly less failing students. This of course, means no Calculus, or less Calculus.
Great. So I'll have to tutor my kids in calculus myself.

In any case, it's rather irritating that people talk about "calcs" as if a scientific or engineering analysis is nothing more than math. It is quite possible to produce a sci-fi "calc" with flawless math which is also totally wrong, because it is based on false premises and leaps in logic. In fact, the math required for the vast majority of sci-fi calculations is pitifully simple, and should be well within the abilities of a high-school graduate.
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Post by Dark Hellion » 2007-11-30 03:18am

But Mr. Wong, they haven't had those advanced classes, like basic calc based physics, so how can they be expected to figure out that comparing a MJ kinetic impactor with a thermal weapon isn't valid. I mean, its not like common sense tells you that burning yourself and cutting yourself do different kinds of damage to your body. They both hurt! :roll:
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Post by Darth Wong » 2007-11-30 03:20am

Dark Hellion wrote:But Mr. Wong, they haven't had those advanced classes, like basic calc based physics, so how can they be expected to figure out that comparing a MJ kinetic impactor with a thermal weapon isn't valid. I mean, its not like common sense tells you that burning yourself and cutting yourself do different kinds of damage to your body. They both hurt! :roll:
What's worse is the commonplace stupid assumptions, like people who think that a device which does almost no work must consume huge amounts of energy if it does anything that we can't do today. A classic example is shielding or artificial gravity or integrity fields; why do people assume that it is so energy-intensive, when it does no work most of the time? Do they even know what "work" means in physics?
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