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Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-09-13 04:16pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:It does seem that Starfleet ships seem to go out of their way to explore every anomaly they find, Voyager springs to mind, yet the area of space they explored would still be very small compared to that which they didn't.

Minute in fact. Darth Servo is talking crap. The sensor range on the Trek ships is relatively short, the volume we actually saw them traverse in the show was minute. Yet even that tiny volume was filled with anomalies. There is no reason to assume the other Starfleet ships (at least the exploration ones) aren't encountering weird spatial anomalies at the same rate; in fact on at least three occassions we saw other Starfleet ships trapped in or destroyed by natural anomalies. On top of that there are a few phenomena that extend for hundreds or thousands of lightyears, such as the deadly radiation field (that could kill the crew through shields) that Voyager couldn't go around and took a month to traverse.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-09-13 04:34pm

Starglider wrote:The sensor range on the Trek ships is relatively short, the volume we actually saw them traverse in the show was minute. Yet even that tiny volume was filled with anomalies.

It's the sensor range and distance travelled that I'm thinking would need to be assumed to be able to calculate something like this.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-15 05:44pm

I would fly my ship directly into borg space, take out a few cubes,have
dinner with the queen,give her SW technology and become the new Borg King!
After that!
Hunt you guys for fun!

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-15 06:03pm

Starglider wrote:Minute in fact. Darth Servo is talking crap.

Math is "crap" eh?

The sensor range on the Trek ships is relatively short, the volume we actually saw them traverse in the show was minute. Yet even that tiny volume was filled with anomalies.

Bullshit. Assuming one anomoly per episode was being GENEROUS.

There is no reason to assume the other Starfleet ships (at least the exploration ones) aren't encountering weird spatial anomalies at the same rate; in fact on at least three occassions we saw other Starfleet ships trapped in or destroyed by natural anomalies.

Um, yes there is. The fact that those ships are still flying. Every time we see any ship besides the one of the series (TM) they are utterly befuddled by the anomoly and need the "Ship of the Series" to come bail them out.

The main crew for the series appears to be the ONLY one in the Federation capable of solving problems.

On top of that there are a few phenomena that extend for hundreds or thousands of lightyears, such as the deadly radiation field (that could kill the crew through shields) that Voyager couldn't go around and took a month to traverse.

And yet by YOUR logic, we should expect to see anomolies right next door to said field. Such things are the EXCEPTION rather than the rule.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2007-09-15 07:22pm

DarthShady wrote:I would fly my ship directly into borg space, take out a few cubes,have
dinner with the queen,give her SW technology and become the new Borg King!
After that!
Hunt you guys for fun!

Oh shut up. The Borg do not negotiate, the Queen is not as hot as you think she is (unless you enjoy a disembodied spinal column), and giving the Borg the weaponry needed to take over the galaxy, as has been their goal for centuries, may be the worst idea possible.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-09-15 08:38pm

and giving the Borg the weaponry needed to take over the galaxy, as has been their goal for centuries, may be the worst idea possible.

Would the better weapons be able to cancel out their pitiful lack of tactics, such as not noticing an intruder on your ship is bad until he blasts your chest open?

Scottish Ninja · Post by **Scottish Ninja** » 2007-09-15 09:39pm

Given that I have little to no business commanding any ship larger than a rowboat, let alone an eleven-mile spacegoing warship, I'd see what I could do to join up with more competent persons (likely the Mess, although what business they'd have trusting someone of such little account on these forums is questionable), and try and get out of the way of qualified personnel.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2007-09-15 11:01pm

chitoryu12 wrote:
and giving the Borg the weaponry needed to take over the galaxy, as has been their goal for centuries, may be the worst idea possible.
Would the better weapons be able to cancel out their pitiful lack of tactics, such as not noticing an intruder on your ship is bad until he blasts your chest open?

Would multi-gigaton turbolasers be able to overpower Starfleet weapons, regardless of bad tactics? Oh, yes, I think so. After all, the tommy-gun incident only applies if the ship survives long enough to beam people onboard.

Alien-Carrot · Post by **Alien-Carrot** » 2007-09-16 12:16am

I guess it would all depend on my mood at the time.

I'm bi-polar, so i could go on a murderous rampage, or a beneficial goodwill campaign.

Besides my sometimes violent tendancies, i see no reason to resort to large-scale destruction of any of the major planet in ST universe.

Most of them have something good to offer.

Romulans have a decent spy network, and great advances in cloaking tech. (imagina a SSD that can fire while cloaked. But then, all those turbolasers would give away its position after the first salvo.) They are also excelent in hand to hand combat. (not that you would need it much)

Trills are basically jack-of-all-trades. 12 lifetimes of different skills will do that to a person.

The Federation seems adept at addapting to new situations or technologies. (though not as adept as the borg) But the communist society would have to go.

The founders would have to go, just too fucking dangerous. The Vorta would make good administrators, if the could be "reprogrammed" into worshiping you instead of the changelings. The gem'hadar... meh, no use, no threat. let them all die from withdrawal

Klingons. Useless.

dammit mindfreeze, cant thing of any others worth noting at the moment. but besides the founders and the borg, no one is worth wasting firepower on.

But now that i think about it, destroying the founders would probably make the feds go all self-ritious. Then they would withhold all the neat little techs worth having, (replicator, transporters, holodecks, holo-docs, gelpacks, full color holocommunications platforms, exocomps, astrometrics lab), and then we'd have to take it by force. Then the klings would probably get paranoid, rattle their bat'leths, charge enmass, and get wiped out by 1 stormtrooper. The roms... who knows what they would do. If we play nice with them, we'd never have a problem. If they think we are going to do anything detrimental top their society, we will be fighting off warbirds for the next 500 years. And given their spy network, they could probable figure out turbolasers in say... 50 years. 25 if there are any turncoats.

Now to my real point. Borg.

Despite the 10k year tech difference, SW humans still appear to be the same as us. And the borg are very adept at taking knowledge form assimilated humans. All it takes is 1 borgtard who WANTS to be assimilated to turn his entire ship over to the borg. They would know how to use most of the tech within hours, if not how to begin making it.

And when the fleet of morons show up to mass annihlate the borg, there would be a REAL fight. The idiot captain would fight ove who gets to kill the borg, start shooting each other, and the borg would end up assimilating 500+ have destroyed SSD's. Not a pretty scenirio.

First priority would be to prevent ALL contact with the borg. while at their current level, the are pretty much a pushover, one mistake by a 12yo with a superbattlecruiser could spell a thousand year war with a cyborg beehive.

Only after you acunmilate a sizeable fleet,(20+ SSD's), with a clearly established command structure, and assurances that everyone will follow orders and not get blown-up, do you go after the borg.

Mass destruction of all borg is not necessary. only the vinculums and queens would need to go. and the royal protocol, if it really exists. After that, most or the drones should revert to individual or mini-collective status, and would probably be no threat. But all mini-collectivs would have to be closely monitered. (Romulan spys anyone?) No chance of someone trying to re-establish the entire collective.

At all times, all ships would run with full shields, and full ECM. We want no chance that borg or dominion can find some way to beam through durasteel hulls. ST tech may be laughable, but they seem to be adept at modifying it to do almost anything.

For fucks sake, they almost took out a planetary assimilator with A NAVIGATIONAL DEFLECTOR.

Another priority would be to contact the voth. The ability to transport an entire warship, intact, is nothing to sneeze at.

After the destruction of the borg and the dominion, i would be perfectly happy to be a low level ship captain, sent out to do policing actions against upstart 0 posters, or species with attitude.

Give me a big ship with my own private holodeck, a reasonably capable crew, access to usefull trektech, and a sizeable collection of trill porn ( the spots go ALL the way down), and you will never have a problem with me.
Tell me who to blow up, and i'll blow them up for you.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-16 09:04am

Oh shut up. The Borg do not negotiate, the Queen is not as hot as you think she is (unless you enjoy a disembodied spinal column), and giving the Borg the weaponry needed to take over the galaxy, as has been their goal for centuries, may be the worst idea possible.

Not the worst, simply evil.The Borg armed with SW technology,and the entire galaxy will fall before them.
And the borg do negotiate,they negotitated with Janeway,when they were under attack by species 8472.
And just for your information i happen to enjoy a disembodied spinal column!

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-09-16 12:00pm

Mass destruction of all borg is not necessary. only the vinculums and queens would need to go

That would indeed be the destruction of all Borg, as every Borg ship has a Vinculum

Alien-Carrot · Post by **Alien-Carrot** » 2007-09-16 01:34pm

Lore's collective, Hugh's collective, and interceptors. neither are said to have vinculums.

And im pretty sure you can fire a precision TL shot to take out the vinculum, without destroying too much of the cube.

Spheres would be totally fucked though.

Destroy all diamonds on sight.

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-09-16 01:52pm

And im pretty sure you can fire a precision TL shot to take out the vinculum, without destroying too much of the cube.

Where is the vinculum located? If it's not sticking out on the hull, what power would be required to somehow pass through the hull and hit the thing without compramising the cube's structural integrity or hitting anything that may cause other explosions?

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-16 02:10pm

Hey guys correct me if i am wrong but i thought that the vinculum only serves to control and organize the thoughts of drones if they are separated from the collective.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2007-09-16 02:11pm

DarthShady wrote:
Oh shut up. The Borg do not negotiate, the Queen is not as hot as you think she is (unless you enjoy a disembodied spinal column), and giving the Borg the weaponry needed to take over the galaxy, as has been their goal for centuries, may be the worst idea possible.
Not the worst, simply evil.The Borg armed with SW technology,and the entire galaxy will fall before them.

Including you. Are you under some delusion that they won't assimilate you, the commander of the most powerful ship in the galaxy? They can, you know, with a 1,000-1 numerical advantage.

DarthShady wrote:And the borg do negotiate,they negotitated with Janeway,when they were under attack by species 8472.

And then, IIRC, they promptly betrayed her.

DarthShady wrote:And just for your information i happen to enjoy a disembodied spinal column!

I'm going to assume you're joking, in which case I have two words for you: NOT FUNNY.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2007-09-16 02:11pm

chitoryu12 wrote:
And im pretty sure you can fire a precision TL shot to take out the vinculum, without destroying too much of the cube.
Where is the vinculum located? If it's not sticking out on the hull, what power would be required to somehow pass through the hull and hit the thing without compramising the cube's structural integrity or hitting anything that may cause other explosions?

It was said that the Vinculum is at the heart of each Borg vessel. Good luck trying to take it out without destroying the rest of the ship

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-16 03:11pm

I'm going to assume you're joking, in which case I have two words for you: NOT FUNNY.

Yes i am joking!

Let me elaborate my plan:

a)Destroy several borg ships, as a demonstration of power
b)Allow the borg to assimilate my ship and me
c)Assimilate everything including the federation,klingons,dominion

You made the assumption that i don't want to be assimilated.When in fact i do.
Thats why i wrote the part about becoming the borg king.
What can i say, i am evil!

Sorry about any bad spelling, english is my second language

HSRTG · Post by **HSRTG** » 2007-09-16 03:45pm

DarthShady wrote:a)Destroy several borg ships, as a demonstration of power
b)Allow the borg to assimilate my ship and me
c)Assimilate everything including the federation,klingons,dominion

A large part of the people here want to kill the Borg, and have openly stated their intentions to instantly attack them. This course of action might delay the inevitable, but you'd be outnumbered, and alone.

You made the assumption that i don't want to be assimilated.When in fact i do.
Thats why i wrote the part about becoming the borg king.
What can i say, i am evil!

Good, then you don't mind the fact that everyone else will instantly commit genocide on the Borg after you do this. Leaving them in control of an SSD would be like giving the local elementary school bully an AK-47. Besides, I can't see the Borg doing anything but making you into a normal drone, especially considering what your likely IQ is.

Sorry about any bad spelling, english is my second language

Download Firefox, and get a dictionary, it'll at least help you with spelling.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-16 04:46pm

Alright i agree the Borg are idiots, and yes i would be outnumbered and out gunned.So i would lose.
I hate the Borg too.
But thats not a reason for you to insult my IQ.
Anyway i haven't seen you come up with any better ideas.
And just for your information i think my English is good enough,and i already have Firefox.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-09-16 04:52pm

A question for everybody.We all have Executor Class Super Star Destroyers.
If we all become allies, how long would it take us to conquer the ST Galaxy and then the rest of the ST universe?

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2007-09-16 06:33pm

DarthShady wrote:Alright i agree the Borg are idiots, and yes i would be outnumbered and out gunned.So i would lose.
I hate the Borg too.
But thats not a reason for you to insult my IQ.
Anyway i haven't seen you come up with any better ideas.
And just for your information i think my English is good enough,and i already have Firefox.

Oh, dear. We've hurt his feelings.

As professed by your earlier posts, not only do you not hate the Borg, you appear to engage in adolescent fantasies about their disembodied Queen. For unfathomable reasons, you wish to be assimilated, making you a Borgtard.

You have changed your position while making it look like you haven't, a dishonest debating tactic. In addition not only do we have better ideas, we have seven and a half pages of them. Your posts are ill-considered, your points...pointless.

So, yes, it's a reason to insult your IQ.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2007-09-16 08:54pm

If I were you, I'd keep your head down buddy

Is assassination acceptable as a method of solving intrapersonal disputes in this what-if?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-09-16 08:56pm

Alien-Carrot wrote: Despite the 10k year tech difference, SW humans still appear to be the same as us. And the borg are very adept at taking knowledge form assimilated humans. All it takes is 1 borgtard who WANTS to be assimilated to turn his entire ship over to the borg. They would know how to use most of the tech within hours, if not how to begin making it.

Explain how.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-09-16 09:06pm

Stark wrote:
Alien-Carrot wrote: Despite the 10k year tech difference, SW humans still appear to be the same as us. And the borg are very adept at taking knowledge form assimilated humans. All it takes is 1 borgtard who WANTS to be assimilated to turn his entire ship over to the borg. They would know how to use most of the tech within hours, if not how to begin making it.
Explain how.

Well let me ask you this, what do you think would happen if the Borg assimialate a group of SW Engineers who know all ther is about HyperMater Reactors.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2007-09-16 09:12pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:Well let me ask you this, what do you think would happen if the Borg assimialate a group of SW Engineers who know all ther is about HyperMater Reactors.

Unless they also got a complete set of industrial tools that can work on the tolerances necessary, they're SOL.