Power of Star Wars weapons, a tad bit exagerated

[Mr Bean]

Oh and one more thing

The affected ship would be totally unable to hold its course and would more likely be blown clear across the galaxy. Sci-fi ships are powerful, but not that powerful.

Prehaps we should Introduce him to the Culture?

[Vympel]

Actually the ICS seems more than official:

1: it is purely movie related. No EU appears.
2: it is a two-way street: the AOTC Slave I is armed as depicted in the ICS of 1998.

Speaking of ICS, hopefully with the DVD release Curtis Saxton will do a new one with-

- the Executor
- the Imperator II Star Destroyer
- the Home One Mon Calamari Cruiser
- Luke's speeder
- the Medical Frigate
- the Death Star II
- the TIE Bomber
- the TIE Interceptor
- Bespin Skyhopper

there's some definite ones that need to be included in that list methinks

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Until George Lucas says 200GT lasers are real, you don't have any proof other than that's the way you wish it were, end of story.

WE HAVE OFFICIAL EVIDENCE YOU FUCKING MORON!!!!!!!!

Besides, 200GT is more than enough energy to push any ship off course, yet the Millenium Falcon is never pushed off course, much less blown halfway across the galaxy each time it gets hit. Why is this?

Because there's something called an inertial compensator!

And if you're going to say that the engines are really that powerful, well then shut up and don't bother. I noticed that the whole turbolaser argument on this site is just a a goofy debate over inconsistancies in special effects. (Again, get a life, Mike Wong).

No you pathetic excuse for a single celled organism, it's not about "inconsistancies in special effects" it's about seeing the firepower of SW.

And Mike HAS A LIFE.

By the way, I like Star Wars, believe it or not, but not enough to pull absured numbers out of my ass and be a prick about it when anyone questions them.

Really? I thought we pulled these numbers OUT OF AN OFFICIAL BOOK.

I have this radical new idea that I can watch both SW and ST and ignore the inconsistanceis in them and enjoy the story without the need to go buy technical manuals for technologies that don't even exist. Guess you all are such nerds that this idea is beyond you, so we'll just have to start a flamewar, I guess.

So can I. But if you DEBATE IT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TECH!

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Nah, I'd rather just say you've all collectively lost it. I'm not talking about ICS am I? I'm talking about the what we see in the movies, which is not 200GT, unless you want to put up some ridiculous argument about "everything" being that powerful.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE MOVIE TO BE OFFICIAL!

No numerical data is actually needed to understand what a ridiculous idea it is. Think about it, 200GT energy weapon hits ship. All energy from the shot is transferred into the sheilds or the hull of the ship. The idea of shields being able to withstand that much energy is just as absurd, by the way. The affected ship would be totally unable to hold its course and would more likely be blown clear across the galaxy. Sci-fi ships are powerful, but not that powerful. Or have you arbitrarily redefined a gigaton as a very small unit of measurement? Oh, and I take banning as a compliment. Please ban me. It will make me feel so much better.

Are you stupid? There are COUNTLESS SCI-FI SHIPS THAT WOULD LAUGH AT 200 GIGATONS!

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

In the interests of being an asshole, I'm now suggesting that Mon Cal ships have 202GT turbolasers on them. I pulled that number out of my ass, so that must be "proof" that it's real.

That's not proof. But if you got it from an OFFICIAL book like we did, it would be.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

Actually, you can also prove by using a calculation of either a canon or official event, BUT you'll be never hard pressed to lock the number down to three significant digits for that method...

[omegaLancer]

It Funny that the final agruement come down to what the Pro trekkies feel comfortable with.. Well what number are you comfortable, 20MT, 200MT maybe 2 Gigatons, and will you have Fries with that Turbolaser blast?...

That what there agruement is base on feelings, When original Turbolaser computation due to Hoth Meteor scene, they could not even agree figure that came out of that, so not even printed word is not good enought.. Maybe they can all go in to a trance and Channel a Figure for us from the Ghost of Star Trek past

[foxinabox]

All I see, everywhere I look, are warsies happily spouting that Heavy turbolasers are in the gigaton range, and that they are sooo powerful.

But when I watch the movies, I don't see that kind of firepower.
Except for the asteroid scene in EMP, no Imperial has ever demonstrated that level of firepower.

In AotC, the Acclamators are on Geonosis, Firing at the Trade Federation, and all we see when weapons miss is a small puff of sand bleing blown up.

It's the same in ESB, when the Imperial Walkers (AT-AT) fire at the rebels, even with their chin mounted cannons, they make small holes in the ground at the rebels feet.

Blasters make small holes in Stormtrooper armor, and in the walls on Cloud city on Bespin.

Heavy firepower indeed...

And can anyone tell me how a Gigaton level shield (Capital ships light Nebulon-B Medical Frigates, which can resist at least one or two Heavy ISD Turbolaser hit) can be threathened by less than a hundred (In fact, in RotJ, we saw less then a dozen, but lets be fair and say the empire charged with a hundred) Kiloton scale weapons (Tie fighter cannons)?

If you wish to base your power estimates on one incident (in canon SW, that is, the movies), then I will do the same for ST.
In DS9, in the Episode "The Die Is Cast", a fleet of only 10 Romulan Warbirds and 10 Keldon Cardassian ships (Galaxy-class equivalent) attacked a planet.
The Dialogue stated that the crust would be destroyed in less than an hour, and the mantle in less than five.
They effectively destroyed 30% of the crust in the initial volley.
I'm pretty sure their weapons were in the Gigaton range too.

And, although Mr Wong's site is well made, and very interesting to read, and although his scientific knowledge cannot be faulted (at least not by me), I find it interesting that his real-world, modern science arguments, although very pertinent and clear and the ST debunking segment, is sadly not present in his SW side of the site.

We never read how SW science violates any modern principle, or any modern scientific law.

Mr Wong talks about Phaser particles (Nadions = invented) as if he has a hard time believing they could exist, reminding us they aren't real, but foregoes any doubting comments on Tibanna gas, the energy absorbing gas that gives Turbolasers and Blasters their power.

Because, Tibanna gas has an energy absorption of 59% naturally, and 78% once refined, although no gas in real life (as far as my research goes) can absord energy more than 23 or 25%.
Yet mR Wong doesn't critisize it.

Same goes for Warp travel.
Mr Wong says that "If you're willing to believe that Warp travel can exist", or words to that extent (in his comparative trends, more specifically in Warp vs. Hyperspace), yet he willingly accepts Hyperspace and Hypermatter.
What scinetific law states that in Hyperspace, it is normal to encounter "Shadow Mass"?
How can an object in "Realspace" project a Hyperspace "Shadow"?

By the way, any asshole out there thinking of taking this thread as proof that Mr Wong doesn't know anything, Fuck Off.
Mr Wong's scinetific knowledge and expertise are not in question in any way, just his unbiasness vis-a-vis SW and ST.
Waiting for heated responses...now!

I'd just give up and try to go somewhere else. These guys don't take kindly to people who don't agree with them.

[Darth Yoshi]

I'd just give up and try to go somewhere else. These guys don't take kindly to people who don't agree with them.

That's not true. TheDarkling disagrees all the time, and he's still here.

[Mr Bean]

Darkling, Romulan Nemesis, Omega-13 our list of Pro-Treky intellgent debators is most short indeed

[TheDarkling]

Well this is the literal hornets nest after all, only men of steel can survive here .

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I'd just give up and try to go somewhere else. These guys don't take kindly to people who don't agree with them.

We don't take kindly to morons.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Although nutcases like my self are tolerated.

[Eleas]

I'd just give up and try to go somewhere else. These guys don't take kindly to people who don't agree with them.

"Shhh, don't look! It's the Evil Warsie Conspiracy! And they're really, really mean..."

[BioDroid]

All I see, everywhere I look, are warsies happily spouting that Heavy turbolasers are in the gigaton range, and that they are sooo powerful.

But when I watch the movies, I don't see that kind of firepower.
Except for the asteroid scene in EMP, no Imperial has ever demonstrated that level of firepower.

In AotC, the Acclamators are on Geonosis, Firing at the Trade Federation, and all we see when weapons miss is a small puff of sand bleing blown up.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something...when did the Acclimators fire?

It's the same in ESB, when the Imperial Walkers (AT-AT) fire at the rebels, even with their chin mounted cannons, they make small holes in the ground at the rebels feet.

Is this moron really trying to say that an AT-AT chin mounted cannon is a heavy turbolaser? Hey, DUNCE! here's a clue... Weapons come in varying sizes and ranges of firepower. A Heavy Turbolaser is a capital ship weapon and an AT-AT cannon is an anti-armor/anti infantry weapon. Just like the main gun on the New Jersey isn't of the equivalent firepower as an M60 tank shell.

Blasters make small holes in Stormtrooper armor, and in the walls on Cloud city on Bespin.

And M-16s make small holes in people. Comparing hand weapons to ship mounted weapons is the absolute HEIGHT of idiocy. Need I really explain why?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

All I see, everywhere I look, are warsies happily spouting that Heavy turbolasers are in the gigaton range, and that they are sooo powerful.

But when I watch the movies, I don't see that kind of firepower.
Except for the asteroid scene in EMP, no Imperial has ever demonstrated that level of firepower.

In AotC, the Acclamators are on Geonosis, Firing at the Trade Federation, and all we see when weapons miss is a small puff of sand bleing blown up.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something...when did the Acclimators fire?

I think this moronic fuckhead thinks that the Republic Gunships were Acclamators.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I think this moronic fuckhead thinks that the Republic Gunships were Acclamators.

If that was the case, then yes: 200 GT is too high for the "Acclamators".

[BioDroid]

All I see, everywhere I look, are warsies happily spouting that Heavy turbolasers are in the gigaton range, and that they are sooo powerful.

But when I watch the movies, I don't see that kind of firepower.
Except for the asteroid scene in EMP, no Imperial has ever demonstrated that level of firepower.

In AotC, the Acclamators are on Geonosis, Firing at the Trade Federation, and all we see when weapons miss is a small puff of sand bleing blown up.

I'm sorry, I must have missed something...when did the Acclimators fire?

I think this moronic fuckhead thinks that the Republic Gunships were Acclamators.

I think the moronic fuckhead also confuses the fire-power of cap-ship weapons with the ability of vehicular and personal weapons...

[Ender]

Darkling, Romulan Nemesis, Omega-13 our list of Pro-Treky intellgent debators is most short indeed

You left off SCVN.

If you are rational and intellegent, we generally don't have a problem with you. However, if you are ignorant as all gt out, we'll flame you to high hell. And that goes for Wars debators as well.

[Darth Yoshi]

I think the moronic fuckhead also confuses the fire-power of cap-ship weapons with the ability of vehicular and personal weapons...

Doesn't DarkStar do that too?

[noncredible]

In AotC, the Acclamators are on Geonosis, Firing at the Trade Federation, and all we see when weapons miss is a small puff of sand bleing blown up.

It's the same in ESB, when the Imperial Walkers (AT-AT) fire at the rebels, even with their chin mounted cannons, they make small holes in the ground at the rebels feet.

The Acclamators never fired moron. Or did you mistake the gunships for Acclamators? Idiot.

And the walkers fired with blaster cannons and laser cannons, not with turbolasers. Turbolasers would be as big as the AT-AT!

[BLACKSUN2000]

This new Trektroll TM is starting to look like this jimmyjones idiot on the Youtube comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCBwob65Nw

Anyone else notice the similarity?

[Formless]

Argghhh, the stupid of that video... anything that references "The Outrageous Okona" has a very special place in hell reserved for it. Granted, though, the power of the Force triumphing is a nice concession. Won't touch the comments because frankly only idiots try and argue through YouTube's comments section.

P.S. Posted: 2002-08-21 08:42pm

[DrStrangelove]

Holy fucking necro, although having debated Praeothmin on another site it's funny to see his broken record hasn't changed in 8 years or so

[Formless]

You expected that it would? Some walls of ignorance just aren't going to come down.