More Trektardism

[NecronLord]

Currently talking to "Mr. Oragahn" on spacebattles. Urgh.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Because they don't use proper investigative techniques.

It's not just them, the majority of people do, take for instance the 'Lol 570rm7r00perz suxx0rz at sh00tin' and '7eh teddy bear beat the Empire' morons.

The first group completely ignore that Vader, Tarkin, and Leia straight up told us that the escape was a ploy to get Leia to lead them to Yavin IV.

The latter crowd are just retarded and don't realize that Ewoks are strong little shits (As evidenced by their throwing of rocks the size of their own heads like cardboard), and that the Stormtroopers were winning until Chewie jacked the AT-ST.

[Darth Wong]

Curtis Saxton once pointed out to me that most people look for a way to tie facts together. But some people do the opposite: they look for ways to pit one fact against another.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Curtis Saxton once pointed out to me that most people look for a way to tie facts together. But some people do the opposite: they look for ways to pit one fact against another.

A theoretical physicist and a philospher, what can't he do?

[Lord Poe]

Currently talking to "Mr. Oragahn" on spacebattles. Urgh.

Why is is that more often than not lately, the Spacebattles forums are down when I try to access them? Anyway, as to Mr Ora-"I know Robert Brown!!":



And...what does this prove? That a pencil-thin lightsaber cleanly cuts through a gun barrel, then you see a reaction from the vaporized metal a half-second later? Boy, we don't see THAT kind of reaction in RL, do we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TiiNhehzA

Oops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kVhtpfLmw

Oops again.

EDIT: Anyone note that in SFJ's gif above, the particles of molten metal fly in the direction the lightsaber traveled, instead of straight up or anywhere else?

[NecronLord]

Currently talking to "Mr. Oragahn" on spacebattles. Urgh.

Why is is that more often than not lately, the Spacebattles forums are down when I try to access them? Anyway, as to Mr Ora-"I know Robert Brown!!":

"Daleks vs Replicators" A whole string of 'begging the question' type things. Urgh.

Also, why is it that these guys like Stargate too? It's embarassing...

EDIT: Anyone note that in SFJ's gif above, the particles of molten metal fly in the direction the lightsaber traveled, instead of straight up or anywhere else?

I assume it's the prevailing wind on that (outdoor?) set. The smoke goes that way, too.

[Typhonis 1]

Who the fuck cares whether the pilots could withstand that kind of long-term cramped condition without suffering an edema or something? This numb-nuts theory requires that it took 12 fucking hours for Han Solo and Leia to be escorted out of the building.

And Luke standing in front of the Emperor without a pee break!

The emperor stared as Luke ran off screaming "Potty Emergecy "

[Coiler]

Ah, I finally found the Bacta War quote relating to fighter endurance that I'd been trying to get for so long.

New post's up in the ST.com Trek/Wars thread.

[Darwin]

Jeezus, someone please tell Spocky that:

'Up to 10.5 hours' does not mean typical. I'm sure on average the 38's engaged zeros well within 2 hours of takeoff.

The P-38 success vs Japanese fighters in WWII was mostly due to superior position and surprise, as there isn't much a low-flying zero can do against a P-38 squadron on Boom&Zoom tactics attacking from well above and likely downing half the zekes before they knew what hit them.

In open space combat, there is no such thing as superior energy position, and there usually isn't surprise. On equal footing and a difference of 5 hours mission time, Zeros would have torn P38's apart with their superior climb and handling. The only advantage the P38 has is raw speed, which lets them decide when and where to engage, which means they never engaged on equal footing.


Spock thinks riding in a fighter cockpit in autopilot for 12 hours leaves you fresh and ready for combat.

I'm sure ready to kill after a 6 hour plane ride, but I'm in no condition to do so.

Also, Sullust-Endor and Tatooine-Geonosis are known to be very short runs, making maximum hyperspace speed impossible, as the highest speeds are attained on the long hauls. Spock can't possibly consider that though.

[Typhonis 1]

Gee beam the people out before attacking with space based weapons....right ignore the fact you have to have space superiorrity first and that that isn`t always a guarantee of victory.

[Darth Servo]

And...what does this prove? That a pencil-thin lightsaber cleanly cuts through a gun barrel, then you see a reaction from the vaporized metal a half-second later? Boy, we don't see THAT kind of reaction in RL, do we?

Um, exactly what WERE those idiots saying that gif proved?

[Imperial Overlord]

Also, why is it that these guys like Stargate too? It's embarassing...

There is no cause so good that it doesn't have at least one idiot following it.

EDIT: quote tags corrected.

[Tribun]

It seems that JMSpock needs help to deal with you guys:
"Guardian47 has appeared in the St vs. SW thread on ST.com, and take three guesses who it is. The content of his post should make it clear. Spocky really seems to be at end with his wits, that he has to run to Darkstar for help.

Just for fun, this is part of what Darkie wrote:

Most of the ones doing so aren't from here originally. You can review all 42 pages of their most recent (i.e. since September) StarTrek.com invasion reports here:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=113354

They represent a small-but-loud subset of Star Wars tech fans who wish to inflate Star Wars technology, troop numbers, and so on. ?This resulted from their early engagement with Star Trek tech, and (from their perspective) has culminated in frequent reference to a Star Wars children's book written by one of them, with assistance from others (who . . . and this is rather noteworthy . . . explicitly identified their concern that their calculations would "make it a better comparison to Trek").

Officially, the group does not condone invasions of other boards, though they 'tolerate' the 'individual choice' of their members to go to other boards en masse whenever a Trek vs. Wars topic comes up. ?Hence the aforementioned "small-but-loud".

Generally speaking, there is little purpose in arguing with them. There is no allowed possibility of Star Trek having any significant advantage (save perhaps for transporters, which to them are just evil person-killing devices readily blocked by almost anything at all), and the pro-Wars, anti-Trek filter through which the two franchises are viewed (and via which bits they view as unfortunate are simply ignored) is ridiculous.

On boards at which they carry moderation authority . . . the one already linked to and another similar (but broader-topic'ed) board, those holding opposing views are actively censured, banned, et cetera. ?However, at forums where no such authority exists (like here), the group simply tries to throw itself en masse at the enemy, always resisting and never conceding no matter the power of the argument faced, using any number of logic-subversing maneuvers (fallacious reasoning, insults, threats, et al.) to try to get the upper hand. But always, in their mind, resistance must continue, lest it appear that supremacy of Trek tech in any area goes unchallenged.

[Zablorg]

Let's, he's mentioned inflation of Star Wars abilities, attempted to strawman "Going over there and having a loud debate" to mean "Invasion", claimed censorship of opinions, mods and higher abusing their power, and us struggling when faced with a board that does not abide such "censorship". He provides evidence for none of this.

Gentlemen, the wall of ignorance just got a lot thicker.

[Mange]

Funny that Darkstar is saying that:

Most of the ones doing so aren't from here originally. You can review all 42 pages of their most recent (i.e. since September) StarTrek.com invasion reports here:

He has a grand total of 30 posts on ST.com and he points the finger at others? Hilarious.

[Darth Wong]

Where would he be without his constant whining about on-line fascism and bullying? I imagine his struggle against the Evil Empire keeps him warm at night.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Where would he be without his constant whining about on-line fascism and bullying? I imagine his struggle against the Evil Empire keeps him warm at night.

That... or his inflatable Captain Kirk and Picard.

[Tribun]

Where would he be without his constant whining about on-line fascism and bullying? I imagine his struggle against the Evil Empire keeps him warm at night.

That... or his inflatable Captain Kirk and Picard.

Gods, Schatten, we don't need to hear even more of his bedroom habits...

[Kane Starkiller]

Why is is that more often than not lately, the Spacebattles forums are down when I try to access them? Anyway, as to Mr Ora-"I know Robert Brown!!":
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/ ... kewank.gif
And...what does this prove? That a pencil-thin lightsaber cleanly cuts through a gun barrel, then you see a reaction from the vaporized metal a half-second later? Boy, we don't see THAT kind of reaction in RL, do we?

Another solution would be that Luke decided to use the Force to sabotage both blasters.

[NecronLord]

Generally speaking, there is little purpose in arguing with them. There is no allowed possibility of Star Trek having any significant advantage

I hope you're reading this, Darkstar. I'm going to explain it simply. This is because, guess what? It doesn't.

When people post Vs where the other side holds a crippling advantage, say, the Culture, The Time Lords, the Dalek Empire, we say as much.

We've even done more contentious scenarios, where there's only a few key advantages on the other side, say, Deceiver-led necrons (the ability to assassinate and replace Palpatine), or Stargate's replicators (von-neumann swarms with superior strategic mobility are rather dangerous) that have turned out in the other side's favour.

The thing is... Star Trek powers simply don't have what it takes to stand up to a galaxy-spanning empire that blows up planets with its giant space raygun.

Personally, I preffer Star Trek in many ways. I'm possibly a bigger fan of that - right now, I'm drinking from a mug with the TOS crew on it - than I am of SW. But that doesn't mean I think they must be able to take on the war vessels of a larger, older, just-plain-stronger civilisation.

Who you like and what culture is more militarily powerful are entirely different kettles of fish. I've a soft spot for Firefly, I was never very enthusiastic about Andromeda. But that doesn't mean I think that the former could last even a day against the latter in a 'Vs' scenario.

[Darth Wong]

I don't know why you even bother trying to talk to him. He's like the Bill O'Reilly of sci-fi, complete with false persecution complex, right-wing political views, and uneducated followers.

[NecronLord]

Whim. I don't entertain the notion it'll have any effect. But it might expose his stupidity if anyone follows his link to the end there.

[Connor MacLeod]

I'm curious to know if any more Star Trek writers have sent him death threats. They are, of course, all part of the Evil Warsie Conspiracy.

Did anyone also notice he made the exact sort of jab at Spacebattles and their moderators again being lackeys of the Evil Warsie Conspiracy?

[Tribun]

Man, I laughed when I saw Wayne giving Scooter the Imperial Smackdown. The way he demolished him without actually falling into any of the traps that could make Darkie shout "he called me words" is really award-worthy.

Way to go, Wayne!

[Lord Poe]

Man, I laughed when I saw Wayne giving Scooter the Imperial Smackdown. The way he demolished him without actually falling into any of the traps that could make Darkie shout "he called me words" is really award-worthy.

Way to go, Wayne!

Why thank you.