Can Star Trek stand up to LotR?

C.S.Strowbridge · Post by **C.S.Strowbridge** » 2002-12-18 01:09am

In a word, no.

Rotten Tomatoes currently has 58 reviews, and only one is negative.

And you have to think they're going after the same audience, so a weekend to weekend lose of more than 60% would not be unexpected. Just to note, a drop off of 30-40% is good in this day of pump and dump movie marketing. More than 50% is a sign that the movie has no legs and will probably have a first weekend multiplier of less than 3.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-18 01:12am

Of course it can't stand up to LotR, which will utterly annihilate its market. I have absolutely no idea why they would wait to release a movie to give it only a week before being crushed in the box office by such a huge release. My only speculation is that it was a deliberate ploy to try to create excuses for them when the movie flopped.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-18 01:12am

This is not exactly news. Who expected STN to withstand TTT? The only question was the sheer magnitude of the beatdown, and it looks huge.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-12-18 01:12am

The only way Trek is going to stand up against TTT is if someone nails Trek to a wall.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 01:50am

Nemesis will be slaughtered by The Two Towers.

And they shall drink the blood spilt from its throat.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-18 02:30am

Fellowship grossed about 850 million. Towers is said to be better. End result is a disintegrated Nemesis.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 03:01am

TTT will probably gross in its first one and a half weeks what Nemesis cost to make...

This is going to be fun.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-18 04:14am

Can Nemesis stand up to TTT ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats a good one..........Are you serious ? (I know your not

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Nemesis is going to be a dust fart in a hurricane next to TTT, I really think English lacks an adjective powerful enough to describe the beatdown level were talking here......

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2002-12-18 07:23am

Nemesis will stand up to The Two Towers in the same way unarmed Ferengi could stand up to fully armed Uruk-hai.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-18 11:19am

I simply put it like this:

The theatre, which was playing not just STN, but Harry Potter, Die Another Day, Treasure Planet, and a number of other flicks, was almost empty last night.

The 5 o'clock showing of that same theatre's TTT was sold out yesterday. Nemesis is going to be a bloody skid mark on the artillery wheels.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-18 11:47am

Nemesis has the same chance of staying alive against TTT that a ST shuttlecraft has going up against a SSD. It has the same life expectancy as a feddie redshirt being hunted down by Boba Fett. Nemesis is so toast that it's not even funny.

C.S.Strowbridge · Post by **C.S.Strowbridge** » 2002-12-18 12:31pm

I think TTT could beat the first film B.O. But reviews mean very little, cause Harry Potter 2 got better reviews, but it's B.O. is well below the first. Same with AotC, for that matter. Like I said earlier, only James Bond has been able to beat the odds this season. But I'd have to say, TTT has the best chance of making it as well.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-18 12:40pm

It all depends on repeat-viewers. Modern film box-office grosses are heavily dependent on teenagers seeing a movie 10 times. This is something that James Cameron demonstrated quite clearly to the world with Titanic; make a mediocre movie that teenagers will see 30 times apiece for whatever reason (dating, in the case of Titanic), and you will make zillions of dollars. Make a great movie that people only see once (eg- "The Usual Suspects"), and you will make modest money. And all points in between.

Darth Balls · Post by **Darth Balls** » 2002-12-18 01:07pm

Will nemesis withstand TTT? No chance in hell.
My local Regal Cinema is not even playing Nemesis anymore, they took it out. Needed to make room for LOTR. I was surprised they took it out so early. It must really be bombing to be gone after a couple days considering how many other movies are playing there.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-18 01:37pm

Darth Wong wrote:It all depends on repeat-viewers. Modern film box-office grosses are heavily dependent on teenagers seeing a movie 10 times. This is something that James Cameron demonstrated quite clearly to the world with Titanic; make a mediocre movie that teenagers will see 30 times apiece for whatever reason (dating, in the case of Titanic), and you will make zillions of dollars. Make a great movie that people only see once (eg- "The Usual Suspects"), and you will make modest money. And all points in between.

But in the age of DVD and large flat screen tvs, how likely is someone to watch a movie in the theater THAT many times?

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-18 01:59pm

neoolong wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:It all depends on repeat-viewers. Modern film box-office grosses are heavily dependent on teenagers seeing a movie 10 times. This is something that James Cameron demonstrated quite clearly to the world with Titanic; make a mediocre movie that teenagers will see 30 times apiece for whatever reason (dating, in the case of Titanic), and you will make zillions of dollars. Make a great movie that people only see once (eg- "The Usual Suspects"), and you will make modest money. And all points in between.
But in the age of DVD and large flat screen tvs, how likely is someone to watch a movie in the theater THAT many times?

Never underestimate the power of the lifeless teeny-bopper!! Ever wonder what happens when those kiddies have way too much time and money to burn? Wonder no more, they'll watch the movie over and over and over until they know every single line. It's sick I tell you, sick!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 02:49pm

Utsanomiko and I only went to see FORT in the cinema once, but when the Extended DVD came out, I've seen it nearly five times.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2002-12-18 03:13pm

Can ST:X stand up to TTT?

Short answer, no.

Long answer, not a troll's chance in the HoS.

Swordsman · Post by **Swordsman** » 2002-12-18 04:12pm

Nemesis isn't even in any theaters here in Norway and The Two Towers is on every one of I know of some playing around the clock. also a lot of pepole are going to watch it at least twice. I am, and several of my friends are, and they're not rabid fans either. Star Trek yeah right

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-12-18 05:01pm

I went to see TTT today, on a day when High School was in session, in a theatre that no one knows about, at a time (1:00 PM) when no one goes to see movies.

The theatre was jam-packed.

And the movie does indeed rule, if you didn't already know that.

Unless you have seen this movie at least three times, you have no plausible excuse to go see Nemesis.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-18 07:02pm

Swordsman wrote:Nemesis isn't even in any theaters here in Norway and The Two Towers is on every one of I know of some playing around the clock. also a lot of pepole are going to watch it at least twice. I am, and several of my friends are, and they're not rabid fans either. Star Trek yeah right

You're not missing a damn thing.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-18 07:06pm

It stands a snowball's chance in the Sahara.

Overall I can only imagine the reason for Nemesis close release was to recieve backwash from TTT...other than that should've been released sometime in Febuary or something.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-18 07:37pm

Like an infant can stand up to a speeding frieght train.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 07:50pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Like an infant can stand up to a speeding frieght train.

Ick, bad mental image.

Better would be: Like a Geo can stand up to a freight train.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-18 07:59pm

Like a really squishy thing hit by a really hard thing going really fast.

As you can see, I can be very eloquent.