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How naive is Starfleet

Posted: 2002-12-17 12:42pm
by DocMoriartty
Nemesis displayed yet another stupid weakness of the Federation. Basically every time in Star Trek you hear some stupid technobabble about some deadly virus, radiation, wepon, or something else similar you get the same line.

Picard or someone else automatically shouts with indignation that Starfleet banned research on such item do to its danger.

So basically the Federation via Starfleet has left itself completely open to all kinds of attacks via various weapons of mass destruction. One cannot research how to fight such weapons without really researching the weapons themselves.

Stupid stupid stupid.

Re: How naive is Starfleet

Posted: 2002-12-17 05:45pm
by Alyeska
DocMoriartty wrote:Nemesis displayed yet another stupid weakness of the Federation. Basically every time in Star Trek you hear some stupid technobabble about some deadly virus, radiation, wepon, or something else similar you get the same line.

Picard or someone else automatically shouts with indignation that Starfleet banned research on such item do to its danger.

So basically the Federation via Starfleet has left itself completely open to all kinds of attacks via various weapons of mass destruction. One cannot research how to fight such weapons without really researching the weapons themselves.

Stupid stupid stupid.
Indeed. The US military does not have any stock of chemical or biologic weapons that can be used in warefare. They DO have stock of such things so they can study them and counter them. Hell, New Zealand bans nuclear anything, but I am sure they still research and utilize research on how to CURE nuclear problems.

Re: How naive is Starfleet

Posted: 2002-12-17 05:50pm
by Shinova
Alyeska wrote:
DocMoriartty wrote:Nemesis displayed yet another stupid weakness of the Federation. Basically every time in Star Trek you hear some stupid technobabble about some deadly virus, radiation, wepon, or something else similar you get the same line.

Picard or someone else automatically shouts with indignation that Starfleet banned research on such item do to its danger.

So basically the Federation via Starfleet has left itself completely open to all kinds of attacks via various weapons of mass destruction. One cannot research how to fight such weapons without really researching the weapons themselves.

Stupid stupid stupid.
Indeed. The US military does not have any stock of chemical or biologic weapons that can be used in warefare. They DO have stock of such things so they can study them and counter them. Hell, New Zealand bans nuclear anything, but I am sure they still research and utilize research on how to CURE nuclear problems.
Hmm. I've always thought that the US had nastier and more biological and chemical weapons than every other nation combined or something. Oh well.

As for Starfleet and Federation, it's a government and society of principles. Whether you agree with that or not is purely you.

Re: How naive is Starfleet

Posted: 2002-12-17 05:57pm
by Alyeska
Shinova wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
DocMoriartty wrote:Nemesis displayed yet another stupid weakness of the Federation. Basically every time in Star Trek you hear some stupid technobabble about some deadly virus, radiation, wepon, or something else similar you get the same line.

Picard or someone else automatically shouts with indignation that Starfleet banned research on such item do to its danger.

So basically the Federation via Starfleet has left itself completely open to all kinds of attacks via various weapons of mass destruction. One cannot research how to fight such weapons without really researching the weapons themselves.

Stupid stupid stupid.
Indeed. The US military does not have any stock of chemical or biologic weapons that can be used in warefare. They DO have stock of such things so they can study them and counter them. Hell, New Zealand bans nuclear anything, but I am sure they still research and utilize research on how to CURE nuclear problems.
Hmm. I've always thought that the US had nastier and more biological and chemical weapons than every other nation combined or something. Oh well.

As for Starfleet and Federation, it's a government and society of principles. Whether you agree with that or not is purely you.
The US MIGHT have nastier stuff, but it does not have stocks of it for weapons. To the US a Chemical is a germ is an A-Bomb. Use of any of those invites just one type of retaliation, Nuclear. The rest of the world knows that if you find out you made us sick, we will turn your country into a glow in the dark parking lot.

That said, the US most certainly has stocks of chemicals and germs to study them.

Posted: 2002-12-17 06:02pm
by TheDarkling
Isn't that sort of thing what section 31 is for?

Some of the stuff the Federation has banned has been so nasty that the other power agree to it aswell (Metagenic weapons, subspace weapons) although I wouldn't bet the Romulans weren't going behind peoples backs though.

Some stuff is just to dangerous to experiment with an the end of the day (Omega for example) then you get onto moral grounds what the Federation often takes a stand upon so while the call may be unwise its understandable.

Posted: 2002-12-17 06:05pm
by Master of Ossus
TheDarkling wrote:Isn't that sort of thing what section 31 is for?
That's true.

Posted: 2002-12-17 06:05pm
by Shinova
What's omega particle?

Posted: 2002-12-17 06:39pm
by TheDarkling
A very high power source of energy (a small chain could power a civilisation) however the first Fed experiment with it created a single particle which destroyed subspace across a sector (thus stopping warp trvael, subspace sensors, comms etc) when it went south.

The Federation now has a directive that should Omega be found anywhere it is to be destroyed on sight.