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If we assume that its uber-cloak would fool Imperial sensors...

(Obviously if we assume that the uber cloak would not fool Imperial sensors, then all bets are off)

The Scimitar would be detected and destroyed relatively quickly.

Imperial forces would probably start firing in all directions. Once they find the Scimitar, hit it with a hundred or so HTLs and boom, off goes the Scimitar.


The only smart thing the Scimitar should do is to avoid all fleet engagements, steal Imperial tech, and use their radiation weapon on unshielded worlds.

Shinova wrote:Imperial forces would probably start firing in all directions. Once they find the Scimitar, hit it with a hundred or so HTLs and boom, off goes the Scimitar.


The only smart thing the Scimitar should do is to avoid all fleet engagements, steal Imperial tech, and use their radiation weapon on unshielded worlds.

According to the latest calculations done, one proximity hit with an MTL would destoy the Scimitar quite handily. Imperial ships may not even find it before it's blasted to dust.

BTW, even if the Scimitar were able to avoid Imperial patrols, its range and speed would restrict it to a mere handful of worlds, whereas the Imperial fleets could gather to go hunting for it, after it destroyed a lightly defended planet.

It depends. On the one hand it could cause utter devastation, being capable of killing planets like Naboo or Tattoine with no shielding. On the other hand it's still severly restricted by its lack of hyperdrive.

If they're going to "steal tech" the first thing they steal should be a hyperdrive. Actually, for purposes of getting about, they needn't actually aquire a hyperdrive and build it into their own ship... they could just capture a freighter of sufficient size to take the Scimitar (in SW, freighters big enough would exist) and then use it as a capital ship scale version of Obi-Wan's hyperspace cradle.

They absolutely need to remain undetected though. It is imperative. While their firepower and shielding is impressive for Trek, the Scimitar would nevertheless still be totally unable to stand up and take it from any SW warship. If they are detected, they are dead.

Shinova wrote:Imperial forces would probably start firing in all directions. Once they find the Scimitar, hit it with a hundred or so HTLs and boom, off goes the Scimitar.

One HTL would vapourize it.

The only smart thing the Scimitar should do is to avoid all fleet engagements, steal Imperial tech, and use their radiation weapon on unshielded worlds.

You assume that they are going to:

A) be able to steal Imperial tech
B) be able to reverse-engineer Imperial tech while on the run from enemies with far, far faster engines
C) be able to duplicate Imperial tech, also while on the run
D) be able to integrate Imperial tech into their ship
E) be able to adapt their ship to use Imperial tech without being torn apart
F) be able to generate enough power to drive an Imperial hyperdrive
G) reach any inhabited star system in the widely dispersed Star Wars galactic civilization before running out of fuel in order to start this whole sequence of events in the first place

They'd be a lot smarter to simply declare their presence, call for help so that they don't run out of fuel trying to reach the nearest inhabited system, and then try to integrate into this alien society, perhaps by selling some of the toys they have such as dermal regenerators and their one-way cloaking device.

1. Okay, one HTL can vape Scimitar.

2. Scimitar can simply raid an unarmed freighter for the hyperdrive, or beam one up from some place like Tatooine (no planetary shield covering tatooine). After that, it varies. Though they should stick to the outer rim and go nowhere coreward.

Darth Wong wrote: You assume that they are going to:

A) be able to steal Imperial tech
B) be able to reverse-engineer Imperial tech while on the run from enemies with far, far faster engines
C) be able to duplicate Imperial tech, also while on the run
D) be able to integrate Imperial tech into their ship
E) be able to adapt their ship to use Imperial tech without being torn apart
F) be able to generate enough power to drive an Imperial hyperdrive

Yes, we are assuming all that.

The E-E was able to find the thing firing two or three phaser's at a time. The hundreds of Turbolasers and laser cannons on an ISD or any big Star Wars cap ship firing flak burst would have an easy time of it. And unlike the lone phaser beams a MTL or HTL flak burst would be lethal to the Scimitar.

I give it less then three minutes in any engagement.

That's all based on the assumption that the Scimitar would make a fool of itself by challenging a Imperial ship and that the Imperials immediately know the Scimitar is there and are already looking for it. Those are big assumptions.

Shinova wrote:That's all based on the assumption that the Scimitar would make a fool of itself by challenging a Imperial ship and that the Imperials immediately know the Scimitar is there and are already looking for it. Those are big assumptions.

Perhaps, but as soon as the Scimitar attacks a planet the Empire is going to know where it is. The Scimitar's enormously slow warp engines are going to make it easy for the Empire to move ships to defend the critical planets and begin firing their weapons in all directions until the ship is destroyed. Thus, it will be able to attack at most three or four sparsely defended worlds before it is obliterated. Shielded ships will probably not be vulnerable to it.

Shinova wrote:That's all based on the assumption that the Scimitar would make a fool of itself by challenging a Imperial ship and that the Imperials immediately know the Scimitar is there and are already looking for it. Those are big assumptions.

Nowhere near as big as the assumption that it would successfully find an inhabited star system without running out of fuel (or worse yet, nab a freighter which is travelling at thousands of times its own speed and which just HAPPENS to pass by this isolated slug), steal/reverse engineer/duplicate hyperdrive technology that is vastly more advanced than their own warp drive, and then successfully conduct hit-and-run raids without being caught even though it takes 7 minutes for them to power up their weapon.

Why do YOU keep assuming that it would run out of fuel before encountering an inhabited star system?

By all accounts the SW galaxy is more heavily populated than the MW...

It would have a range of a few thousand LY at least, there would at the very least be a few dozen inhabited worlds within reach.

Of course we don't even know what part of the galaxy it starts off in, so...

Hammer wrote:Why do YOU keep assuming that it would run out of fuel before encountering an inhabited star system?

Learn to use a calculator sometime. They're quite useful.

By all accounts the SW galaxy is more heavily populated than the MW...

And is also spread across the whole galaxy, not an insignificant fraction of one quadrant in which they are concentrated along their borders with neighbouring empires.

It would have a range of a few thousand LY at least, there would at the very least be a few dozen inhabited worlds within reach.

In three-dimensional space, it is not likely that an inhabited system will be within the 3000 light year range of a GCS without refueling (no reason to believe a Scimitar has greater range).

Of course we don't even know what part of the galaxy it starts off in, so...

If it starts off in the Outer Rim where population density is low, it is guaranteed to run out of fuel before finding anyone.

Fuel is dilithium, yes?

Or does Scimitar use singularity? And I don't think anyone has posted lifelength of singularity power sources.

Shinova wrote:Fuel is dilithium, yes?

Or does Scimitar use singularity? And I don't think anyone has posted lifelength of singularity power sources.

Romulan ships tend to use singularities, but a singularity still requires some sort of matter to be useful in generating power.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Shinova wrote:Fuel is dilithium, yes?

Or does Scimitar use singularity? And I don't think anyone has posted lifelength of singularity power sources.

Romulan ships tend to use singularities, but a singularity still requires some sort of matter to be useful in generating power.

How long does it last though?

Romulan ships usually use singularities, but this one had a warp core. Odd change.

And we did this when Manji was here too, same results.

Master of Ossus wrote:Romulan ships tend to use singularities, but a singularity still requires some sort of matter to be useful in generating power.

It can't be particularly massive. 100% of its energy would be released when the ship is destroyed because very low-mass singularities will spontaneously evapourate in a burst of gamma rays (hence they must have some kind of technology for stabilizing it). However, the explosion of a Warbird is no more violent than that of a Fed ship, whose explosion will actually be LESS efficient (the violence of the explosion should hurl some unreacted AM into space).

Shinova wrote:Fuel is dilithium, yes?

Or does Scimitar use singularity? And I don't think anyone has posted lifelength of singularity power sources.

Dilithium is used to regulate the reaction in anti matter reactors, rather then the saner solution called a valve. Though I'd be the writer didn't really know what it did, just that it was important.

I`ve GOT IT Leigh Brams didnt design the Galaxy class Warp core it was Tim "the tool man"Allen