Sovergein vs Prometheus
Posted: 2004-05-11 07:35am
A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?
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The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.evilcat4000 wrote:A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?
Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?Metrion Cascade wrote:The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.
Three actual ships. And all the Prometheus has is the ability to spread out its fire.Stofsk wrote:Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?Metrion Cascade wrote:The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.
Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.
(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)
I am not sure. A Prometheus was able to destroy a Nebula in 5 seconds in "Message in a bottle". That indicates Sovergein level firepower. The Prometheus may not have the shields of a Sovergein but it has the firepower to hurt it.Metrion Cascade wrote:Three actual ships. And all the Prometheus has is the ability to spread out its fire.Stofsk wrote:Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?Metrion Cascade wrote:The Sovereign, but not by far. Three Prometheuses could take it.
Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.
(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)
It didn't destroy the Nebula ship, it crippled it's Warp drive.evilcat4000 wrote:I am not sure. A Prometheus was able to destroy a Nebula in 5 seconds in "Message in a bottle". That indicates Sovergein level firepower. The Prometheus may not have the shields of a Sovergein but it has the firepower to hurt it.Metrion Cascade wrote:Three actual ships. And all the Prometheus has is the ability to spread out its fire.Stofsk wrote: Why? What does the Prometheus have that the Sovereign doesn't?
Sovvie is bigger, better, and the -E is the Flagship.
(when you said 3 prommies could take it, did you mean the "let's split the ship into 3 different ships" or did you mean 3 actual prommies?)
Why ? Just target one Prometheus part, destroy it and after this begin with the next one. The concept of a MVAM is just useless against a single target with superior firepower.Alferd Packer wrote:If the Prometheus is in MVAM, then the battle would probably be more drawn out, simply because the Sovreign has to distribute its fire three ways, and the Prometheus would always be turning its flank. In this case, the Sovreign wins, but by slimmer margin.
It's been a while since I saw "Message in a Bottle," but I was under the impression that when the ship was in docked mode, several phaser banks were hidden and inoperative, only used in MVAM. Thus, the ship would benefit from increased firepower while in MVAM, and make the battle last longer. A search for screenies revealed nothing, so I might be wrong about that hidden weapons part.HRogge wrote:Why ? Just target one Prometheus part, destroy it and after this begin with the next one. The concept of a MVAM is just useless against a single target with superior firepower.
From an old PM.Chris OFarrell
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Which is Starfleet’s premier warship: The Sovereign or Prometheus?
[RICK STERNBACH] My money’s on Prometheus, though I’d qualify that by saying it would be a 25% larger Prometheus (like the enlarged F/A-18E/F) that wouldn’t separate. This would be the latest thing out of the Advanced Starship Design Bureau, making the Sovereign as old as a Pentium II.
Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.evilcat4000 wrote:A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?
Incorrect.Matt Huang wrote:Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.evilcat4000 wrote:A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?
However in MVAM the firepower is spread accross several shields instead of all the weapons concentrating on a single shield. This is not good against a ships with regenerative shields like the Sovergein.It's been a while since I saw "Message in a Bottle," but I was under the impression that when the ship was in docked mode, several phaser banks were hidden and inoperative, only used in MVAM. Thus, the ship would benefit from increased firepower while in MVAM, and make the battle last longer. A search for screenies revealed nothing, so I might be wrong about that hidden weapons part
So what ?Alferd Packer wrote:It's been a while since I saw "Message in a Bottle," but I was under the impression that when the ship was in docked mode, several phaser banks were hidden and inoperative, only used in MVAM. Thus, the ship would benefit from increased firepower while in MVAM, and make the battle last longer. A search for screenies revealed nothing, so I might be wrong about that hidden weapons part.
EDIT: No, I take that back. I just found this, which seems to show phaser banks that are hidden in docked mode.
MVAM it gets 18 phaser arrays / 5 torp launchers, + regenerative shields & ablative armor.Alyeska wrote:Incorrect.Matt Huang wrote:Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.evilcat4000 wrote:A Prometheus battlecruiser fights a Sovergein class starship. Who wins ?
The Prometheus sports 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers. The Sovereign sports 15 phaser arrays (several being larger arrays meaning more power), 8 torpedo launchers, and one quantum torpedo launcher.
Incorrect. MVAM gets it 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers along with shields and armor. The Sovereign has 15 arrays (which are more powerful), more torpedo launchers, and quantum torpedoes. The Sovereign can destroy a single section of the Prometheus and reduce the firepower it has to deal with by 33%. The Sovereign will win easily.Matt Huang wrote:MVAM it gets 18 phaser arrays / 5 torp launchers, + regenerative shields & ablative armor.Alyeska wrote:Incorrect.Matt Huang wrote: Prometheus. It incorporates at least the firepower of a Sov into a spaceframe the size of an Intrepid (more if your going in MVAM). Add that to regenerative shielding, ablative armor, and a greater top speed, and the only real way that the Sov would win is if they get a massively lucky first strike.
The Prometheus sports 18 phaser arrays and 3 torpedo launchers. The Sovereign sports 15 phaser arrays (several being larger arrays meaning more power), 8 torpedo launchers, and one quantum torpedo launcher.