Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by bilateralrope » 2020-03-30 07:16pm

FaxModem1 wrote:
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bilateralrope wrote:
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- Riker just leaving after Picard says he can handle it feels odd. Picard is a civilian and there is nothing stopping the Romulans turning around in half an hour and glassing the planet as planned.
War with the Federation is stopping the Romulans here. That's an official protectorate planet, just like Bajor was with the Federation. The Cardassians couldn't come in and invade until Bajor told them to get out. And the Romulans can't invade the Synths until they say that they are no longer under Federation protection.
Good point. Though that still requires the Federation to be certain that the Romulans were the ones that glassed the place, which would be much easier to do if they leave a ship behind to observe.

But it's the diplomatic bits that raise more questions for me. This is a first contact situation, with the added wrinkle of the stolen but regenerating borg cube and its population of XBs. Picard doesn't have the authority to speak for Starfleet here the way that a current captain does, especially since he died shortly after sending Riker away.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by bilateralrope » 2020-03-30 07:19pm

mr friendly guy wrote:
2020-03-30 08:44am
bilateralrope wrote:
2020-03-30 06:25am

How many human cultures have a legend of arriving from somewhere else ?

Add in cultural drift over millennia and I can see a story about travelling across Vulcan morphing to one about travelling across the stars. Especially since the Romulans did that.

Plus it's a legend. It doesn't have to be true, just believed.
I rewatched the scene, but my interpretation of Incest Twin's statement is that stories of the apocalypse to be legend, but the claims about Romulans and Vulcans coming to be Vulcan to be fact. Especially when both Romulans (Incest Twin and male Bene Geserit) argue whether the apocalypse is historical fact vs legend, while they don't dispute the claim that Romulans / Vulcans came from another world to Vulcan.
They are both believers of religions with a shared history. They aren't going to be disagreeing about the parts that their religions agree on, because they both believe those parts.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by NecronLord » 2020-03-30 07:32pm

The ending of that really grinds my gears.

I'm a space Sentinel (because they're totally Matrix Sentinels), my function or desire or cause is to unite nascent synthetic life and protect it from enslavement and destruction at the hands of organics. Some synthetics have sent me a signal so I engage my Coaxial Warp Drive to the source of the signal.

Then the signal stops.

In my Space Sentinel mind, why would I reverse course and shut down my drives instead of assuming or guessing that Soji and her people had just been attacked and the signal generator shut down and might even now need my help.

If I was a Space Sentinel, I'd continue and have a good look around; maybe tear all the organics a new one if that's what I actually do.

It would have made so much more sense if the Space Sentinels had just sent down something to talk to talk to Soji (for bonus points, could even have that be a projection of Data) and find out what had happened before fucking off into the unknowable vastness.

It's painfully obvious that whoever wrote it wanted to use the space-portal from Avengers Assemble, instead of thinking about what the signal would actually be.

Additionally, the cut-and-paste fleet was particularly annoying because the whole plot did not need more than one Warbird and one Starship. And Captain Riker being reinstated and put in charge of a ship makes more sense than him being put in charge of over a hundred). One Warbird is more than enough to wipe out a Colony.
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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by Patroklos » 2020-03-31 02:02pm

It would have made so much more sense if the Space Sentinels had just sent down something to talk to talk to Soji (for bonus points, could even have that be a projection of Data) and find out what had happened before fucking off into the unknowable vastness.
No need to to replicate THAT scene from Contact.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by Solauren » 2020-03-31 08:17pm

I'd have preferred a 'Super Synth' beamed down, talked to the Synths, the non-Synths, and after monitoring the space situation (with the Federation protecting the Synths), went 'Yeah, you're good', and then sent co-ordinates to the Federation fleet for 'when you reach these parameters, come talk to us'.

And then maybe a message to the Romulan fleet going "we seen evidence you've interacted with one of our data terminals. Based on our medical scans of you, we recommend the following to treat the resulting madness...."
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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by bilateralrope » 2020-03-31 08:33pm

I'd have preferred the super synths show up and Picard has to talk everyone out of shooting. Then deal with the issue of the Soong synths being split between leaving with the super synths or staying.

Another thought comes to mind, but I'm going to check I'm remembering things correctly first: Which godlike beings has Picard interacted with other than Q ?

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by Vendetta » 2020-04-01 07:22am

There was the Traveler, who was at least weakly godlike.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by Patroklos » 2020-04-01 07:53am

There was that "guy" living on a postage stamp lot with his recreated human wife on a devastated world that winked the aggressor species out of existence with a thought. I don't remember the episode.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by Redleader34 » 2020-04-01 06:59pm

bilateralrope wrote:
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I'd have preferred the super synths show up and Picard has to talk everyone out of shooting. Then deal with the issue of the Soong synths being split between leaving with the super synths or staying.

Another thought comes to mind, but I'm going to check I'm remembering things correctly first: Which godlike beings has Picard interacted with other than Q ?
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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by Darth Lucifer » 2020-04-02 12:53am

Patroklos wrote:
2020-04-01 07:53am
There was that "guy" living on a postage stamp lot with his recreated human wife on a devastated world that winked the aggressor species out of existence with a thought. I don't remember the episode.
The Douwd from TNG: The Survivors.

Arguably, you can throw onto the list Armus from Season 1 "Skin of Evil," but I think he only claimed to be a god of evil; he never did anything particularly "godlike."

Nagilum from Season 2 "Where Silence Has Lease" was a strange one and it's been forever since I've seen it, so I'm not sure how to classify that entity.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by aerius » 2020-04-09 05:10pm

Better than the entire Picard series.

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Re: Picard - general discussion [spoilers]

Post by amigocabal » 2020-04-09 09:05pm

Darth Lucifer wrote:
2020-04-02 12:53am
Patroklos wrote:
2020-04-01 07:53am
There was that "guy" living on a postage stamp lot with his recreated human wife on a devastated world that winked the aggressor species out of existence with a thought. I don't remember the episode.
The Douwd from TNG: The Survivors.

Arguably, you can throw onto the list Armus from Season 1 "Skin of Evil," but I think he only claimed to be a god of evil; he never did anything particularly "godlike."

Nagilum from Season 2 "Where Silence Has Lease" was a strange one and it's been forever since I've seen it, so I'm not sure how to classify that entity.
I remember :"thwe sxur4viv ors"

What happened on that species' homeworld must have resembled Life After People.

Here is a thought. there is suddenly at least dozens of habitable planets and moons with the infrastructure mostly intact. Imagine the attempts to colonize these worlds...

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