Star Trek 4 in danger of losing two Chrises

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Star Trek 4 in danger of losing two Chrises

Post by Q99 » 2018-08-11 10:38am

Chris Pine and Chris Hemsworth talks for ST4 fall through

Hemsworth is slated to play Kirk's father in a time-travel adventure.
The deal points came down to the usual suspect: money. Pine and Hemsworth, among Hollywood’s A-list when starring in DC or Marvel movies, are said to be asking the studios to stick to existing deals. Paramount, according to insiders, contends that Trek is not like a Marvel or Star Wars movie and is trying to hold the line on a budget.

The actors, according to sources, insist they have deals in place and that the studios are reneging on them, forcing them to take pay cuts as they try to budget a movie that is following a mediocre performer.

Pine, at least, has had a deal in place for several years. The actor, now a key player in the Wonder Woman franchise, signed up for a fourth movie when he made his deal for 2016's Star Trek Beyond. Hemsworth has been attached to Trek 4 since Paramount, then run by the previous regime headed by Brad Grey, announced the fourth installment in 2016, although his exact status remains murky.

The studio, however, is backing its budget tough talk with past performance numbers. The last movie, Star Trek Beyond, grossed only $343 million worldwide on a budget of $190 million. In fact, one insider says the companies lost money on the movie.

Losing these two could have a notable impact on Star Trek 4 to say the least, and while I can get concerns over budget, I also find it hard to be too sympathetic to paramount, as they've got existing contracts with two A-listers, the whole point of having both being to draw people in.

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Re: Star Trek 4 in danger of losing two Chrises

Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-11 01:06pm

Paramount's persistent record of mismanagement of Star Trek over a period of decades is astounding.
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Post by Broomstick » 2018-08-11 03:36pm

Over a half century, actually....
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-11 03:41pm

Yeah. One gets the sense that whatever success Star Trek has had, its been more in spite of, not because of, its management.

Honestly, there are times I kind of wish that an IP could be seized from a company on the grounds of gross incompetence.
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Post by Crazedwraith » 2018-08-11 03:53pm

I feel sympathy for both sides; contracts are contracts, and sucks to be stiffed on money you're owed.

On the other the movies aren't making big bucks, so costs do have to be cut. Acting salaries feel like something you can tighten your belt around. And TBF other than Star Trel/Marvel/DC I can't think what big things these two actually have been. I mean Hemsworth was in the Ghostbuster reboot I guess, anything else?
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Post by Broomstick » 2018-08-11 06:58pm

I'm not sure the Thor/Avenger movies leave Hemsworth with an abundance of time for other projects. Nonetheless, IMDB list him in the following since Avengers: Age of Ultron:

Vacation
In the Heart of the Sea
The Huntsman: Winter's War
Ghostbusters: Answer the Call
Team Thor (short)
Doctor Strange (post-credits scene)
Team Thor Part 2 (short)
Ghostbusters VR: Now Hiring (video game voice credit)
Thor: Ragnarok
12 Strong
Tourism Australia: Dundee - The Son of a Legend Returns Home (short)
Avengers: Infinity War

And he's in three films currently in post-production and another currently filming. Now, not all of the above are big-budget blockbusters, but he's certainly busy.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-11 07:12pm

Yeah, Hemsworth is a pretty big star. He has no trouble finding work, and he has one of the main roles in the biggest film franchise in the world.
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Post by Q99 » 2018-08-11 11:42pm

The only ones I'd worry about is some of the rest of the cast if the movie falls through, but being in three treks they already have some resume and a ticket to the con circuit.

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Post by bilateralrope » 2018-08-11 11:55pm

Crazedwraith wrote:
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I feel sympathy for both sides; contracts are contracts, and sucks to be stiffed on money you're owed.

On the other the movies aren't making big bucks, so costs do have to be cut. Acting salaries feel like something you can tighten your belt around. And TBF other than Star Trel/Marvel/DC I can't think what big things these two actually have been. I mean Hemsworth was in the Ghostbuster reboot I guess, anything else?
Sure, you can ask the actors to renegotiate their pay. But they can always say no and walk away.

Maybe write a less special effects heavy story to cut the budget there. Or one requiring less extras. Something that feels more like televised Trek.

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Post by K. A. Pital » 2018-08-12 11:59am

Just invoke TIME TRAVEL and replace the losers with JEAN-LUC PICARD.

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Post by Gandalf » 2018-08-12 05:57pm

Tom Hardy would make a good younger Picard. Plus seeing heads explode over the invocation of Nemesis would be a bonus.
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Post by FaxModem1 » 2018-08-13 03:06am

Hemsworth was also in Cabin in the Woods and the Red Dawn remake. Though both of those were before his big hit with Thor.
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FaxModem1 wrote:
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Hemsworth was also in Cabin in the Woods and the Red Dawn remake. Though both of those were before his big hit with Thor.
Not sure when they filmed it, but Cabin in the Woods was released after the first Thor film (the same year as Avengers IIRC).
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Re: Star Trek 4 in danger of losing two Chrises

Post by Elheru Aran » 2018-08-13 03:25pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
2018-08-13 03:06pm
FaxModem1 wrote:
2018-08-13 03:06am
Hemsworth was also in Cabin in the Woods and the Red Dawn remake. Though both of those were before his big hit with Thor.
Not sure when they filmed it, but Cabin in the Woods was released after the first Thor film (the same year as Avengers IIRC).
Most actors have a lot of irons in the fire when starting out. It's not unusual for someone to become a star after a big movie, but the same year a few other movies come out that feature them but aren't nearly as well known. Often the marketing gets rejiggered at the last minute for a B-movie to become a B-movie starring Newly Famous Actor. This can lead to young actors suddenly seeming to have a lot of movies coming out within a short time of each other-- it's not all that unusual, but they amp up the marketing when they think they can make an extra dime or two off the names. Once they become better known, they tend to slow down and pick and choose their projects a little more.
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Post by The Romulan Republic » 2018-08-13 03:31pm

Q99 wrote:
2018-08-11 11:42pm
The only ones I'd worry about is some of the rest of the cast if the movie falls through, but being in three treks they already have some resume and a ticket to the con circuit.
For that matter, Zoe Saldana and Simon Pegg aren't exactly nobodies, just to name two.
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Re: Star Trek 4 in danger of losing two Chrises

Post by Q99 » 2018-08-18 06:31am

Elheru Aran wrote:
2018-08-13 03:25pm
Most actors have a lot of irons in the fire when starting out. It's not unusual for someone to become a star after a big movie, but the same year a few other movies come out that feature them but aren't nearly as well known. Often the marketing gets rejiggered at the last minute for a B-movie to become a B-movie starring Newly Famous Actor. This can lead to young actors suddenly seeming to have a lot of movies coming out within a short time of each other-- it's not all that unusual, but they amp up the marketing when they think they can make an extra dime or two off the names. Once they become better known, they tend to slow down and pick and choose their projects a little more.
Yep, before someone gets big, they're normally in a middle stage of "was in a role or two that showed they can do work, and then people start hiring them for a variety of minor roles," and they stay in that stage for a highly variable length of time, then something may or may not blow up big and there you go!

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